Re: DS20L

[Michael Huntingdon <hunting ix netcom com>]

At 08:39 AM 5/30/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>With regards to your message at 07:23 AM 5/30/02, Rich Payne. Where you stated:
>> > They got stuck with a ton of these and the parts.
>> > API built them and they wouldn't sell.
>>
>>Interesting the you seem to know exactly what API sold.
>Only quoting what API sales people and other dealers said..
>And based on our own results too, naturally.
>One of the big sticking points when CS20 came out is that the were 
>initially offered with NO warranty.
> > And they still won't sell.
>> > And they still overheat..
>>
>>Sigh.....I think I can say, with some safety, that I (as well as a few
>>of my former co-workers) have seen and used more
>>of these things (CS20) than most people on this list, and I can state that
>>there was no overheating problem with these. In fact the 833MHz version
>>was overcooled as the case was designed to also use 667MHz CPUs which ran
>>hotter (EV67 vs. EV68).
>
>I have set these up to run customer benchmarks twice now.
>Once a long time ago, and once just two weeks ago.
>Both times, when room temperature rose to about 25C after a few hours I had 
>stalled machines.
>On the last go I ended up putting a room fan in front to blow over them, 
>and it "fixed" the problem.
>I think that in a 20C air-conditioned room they will be fine, but at 25C 
>they get "iffy".

Seems to me "iffy" is a compute environment that is not designed to maintain room temperatures below 80 degrees, rather than going and staying above 80 for hours.

>
>>There are several people on this list that worked very hard on the CS20
>>project and I for one can say that I don't appreciate people making false
>>statements about it. Was it perfect? No, of course not, no product is
>>perfect, they all have their faults, but in the case of the CS20, over
>>heating was not one of them.
>
>
>I understand a lot of work went in to these.
>The tooling for some of the metal pieces alone must have cost quite a 
>chunk. and the power supply probably was a ton of work to design for this.
>The Linux bootloader was also obviously a big job.
>
>I also believe that they could have been a big success, if they were 
>marketed properly.
>But when they were released they were a bear to configure, were offered 
>with no warranty, were offered at a 15% price premium over the cost of 
>fully configuring a UP2000+ based machine, and could not run TRU64.
>We consistently saw customer disapproval, from people who were still buying 
>UP2000+ based machines.

Would you not have to apply that 15% premium to the cost of additional cabinets, mounting hardware, power/UPS products and the like were it not for the low profile of the cs/ds20L? The numbers seem to work.

cheers
~m


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