axp-list Digest, Vol 56, Issue 12

Fri Jan 16 22:37:55 UTC 2009

Well i am using Fedora as well.

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>   1. Re: Trying to gauge usage of a possible AlphaLinux.org Forum
>      (Marco Benton)
>   2. Re: Trying to gauge usage of a possible AlphaLinux.org Forum
>      (M?ns Rullg?rd)
>   3. Re: Trying to gauge usage of a possible AlphaLinux.org Forum
>      (Jeff Donsbach)
>   4. Re: Trying to gauge usage of a possible AlphaLinux.org Forum
>      (Marc Schlensog)
>   5. Re: Secondary architectures and marketing (Oliver Falk)
>   6. Re: Secondary architectures and marketing (Oliver Falk)
>   7. Re: Secondary architectures and marketing (Matt Turner)
>   8. Re: Secondary architectures and marketing (Dialup Jon Norstog)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:35:12 -0500
> From: Marco Benton <marco at xssnet.com>
> Subject: Re: Trying to gauge usage of a possible AlphaLinux.org Forum
> To: Axp-list at redhat.com
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> Måns Rullgård wrote:
> > "Matt Turner" <mattst88 at gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 5:46 AM, Tobias Klausmann <klausman at gentoo.org>
> wrote:
> >>> Hi!
> >>>
> >>> (apologies for incoherent rambling, I have a nasty case of flu and
> >>> am not at my best, intelligence-wise)
> >>>
> >>> I don'treally like forums. Their overhead for posting/reading and
> >>> the usually abysmal user interface keep me from wanting to use
> >>> them. That said, if they're indexable properly, you can search
> >>> using google. Still wouldn't want to write or regularly read
> >>> there.
> >>>
> >>> As for mailing lists: love 'em if they have a properly indexed
> >>> archive. This mailing list here, however, has a disadvantage: its
> >>> domain name. I can imagine people not subscribing because it is
> >>> Fedora/RHEL only.
> >>>
> >>> c.o.l.a has a disadvantage: some people don't even know News and
> >>> quite of the geeks I know don't like News because they think it's
> >>> all flames and spam (and let's face it: there *are* groups which
> >>> fit that description).
> >>>
> >>> That'show I see it.
> >> So it looks like most people who use mailing lists would rather use
> >> existing mailing lists than forums. Surprise. :)
> >>
> >> I wonder how many people I'm not reaching?
> >>
> >> Maybe the thing to do is to put more emphasis on comp.os.linux.alpha?
> >> It can be read as a mailing list and also as a forum (through Google
> >> Groups). How would this be?
> >
> > If that keeps the web aficionados happy, fine by me as long it doesn't
> > result in a sudden influx of badly formatted (top-posts, html, etc)
> > messages.
> >
>
> Allowing l-users from Google Groups would do just that!
>
> top-posting, HTML, etc and total n00b questions.
>
> But i do prefer newsgroups tho.  And an occasional flame war.  ;-)
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:03:04 +0000
> From: M?ns Rullg?rd <mans at mansr.com>
> Subject: Re: Trying to gauge usage of a possible AlphaLinux.org Forum
> To: Axp-list at redhat.com
> Message-ID: <yw1x4p0132zb.fsf at thrashbarg.mansr.com>
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> Marco Benton <marco at xssnet.com> writes:
>
> > Måns Rullgård wrote:
> >> "Matt Turner" <mattst88 at gmail.com> writes:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 5:46 AM, Tobias Klausmann <klausman at gentoo.org>
> wrote:
> >>>> Hi!
> >>>>
> >>>> (apologies for incoherent rambling, I have a nasty case of flu and
> >>>> am not at my best, intelligence-wise)
> >>>>
> >>>> I don'treally like forums. Their overhead for posting/reading and
> >>>> the usually abysmal user interface keep me from wanting to use
> >>>> them. That said, if they're indexable properly, you can search
> >>>> using google. Still wouldn't want to write or regularly read
> >>>> there.
> >>>>
> >>>> As for mailing lists: love 'em if they have a properly indexed
> >>>> archive. This mailing list here, however, has a disadvantage: its
> >>>> domain name. I can imagine people not subscribing because it is
> >>>> Fedora/RHEL only.
> >>>>
> >>>> c.o.l.a has a disadvantage: some people don't even know News and
> >>>> quite of the geeks I know don't like News because they think it's
> >>>> all flames and spam (and let's face it: there *are* groups which
> >>>> fit that description).
> >>>>
> >>>> That'show I see it.
> >>> So it looks like most people who use mailing lists would rather use
> >>> existing mailing lists than forums. Surprise. :)
> >>>
> >>> I wonder how many people I'm not reaching?
> >>>
> >>> Maybe the thing to do is to put more emphasis on comp.os.linux.alpha?
> >>> It can be read as a mailing list and also as a forum (through Google
> >>> Groups). How would this be?
> >> If that keeps the web aficionados happy, fine by me as long it
> >> doesn't
> >> result in a sudden influx of badly formatted (top-posts, html, etc)
> >> messages.
> >>
> >
> > Allowing l-users from Google Groups would do just that!
> >
> > top-posting, HTML, etc and total n00b questions.
>
> Well, posting through google to cola is already possible.  Hopefully
> those still using Alphas have more of a clue than the average web
> user.
>
> --
> Måns Rullgård
> mans at mansr.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:08:01 -0500
> From: Jeff Donsbach <jeff.donsbach at hp.com>
> Subject: Re: Trying to gauge usage of a possible AlphaLinux.org Forum
> To: Linux on Alpha processors <axp-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <1231992481.20758.2.camel at donsbach-laptop>
> Content-Type: text/plain
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> On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 21:24 +0000, Matt Turner wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Among other things, I've been tossing the idea of a Forum for
> AlphaLinux.org.
> >
> > It would provide a central location for Alpha discussion.
> >
> > Would you use it?
> >
> > Ideas and suggestions requested.
>
> +1.
>
> You should post this question to the Debian Alpha list and the Gentoo
> Alpha list too (or "alternate architecture" forum on the Gentoo
> website). I agree that with dwindling numbers, the remaining Alpha users
> and devs need to collaborate more and stick together.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:00:07 +0100
> From: Marc Schlensog <mschlens at redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: Trying to gauge usage of a possible AlphaLinux.org Forum
> To: axp-list at redhat.com
> Message-ID: <20090115100007.6b312a44 at redhat.com>
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>
> On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:54:51 -0700
> Maurice Hilarius <maurice at harddata.com> wrote:
>
> > Matt Turner wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > So it looks like most people who use mailing lists would rather use
> > > existing mailing lists than forums. Surprise. :)
> > >
> > > I wonder how many people I'm not reaching?
> > >
> > > Maybe the thing to do is to put more emphasis on
> > > comp.os.linux.alpha? It can be read as a mailing list and also as a
> > > forum (through Google Groups). How would this be?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > OK.
> > But:
> > I am still wondering what we would gain from this??
>
> Try to think out of the box. Once people see it's a Red Hat list, they
> might get the impression that the discussion is Red Hat or - at the
> most - Fedora related. The incentive to sign up might be pretty low for
> people interested in other distros than Fedora.
> Same holds true, of course, for other means of communication that /seem/
> to favor one particular distro.
> The prime objective at the moment should be to get the few
> remaining users and developers of Linux/axp (and possibly other Alpha
> based Open Source projects) to one place which isn't dependent on one
> particular distro.
> That's why alphalinux.org is a good starting point, that's why c.o.l.a.
> isn't the worst suggestion either.
>
> b.r.,
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:03:18 +0100
> From: Oliver Falk <oliver at linux-kernel.at>
> Subject: Re: Secondary architectures and marketing
> To: Linux on Alpha processors <axp-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <496F5036.3040204 at linux-kernel.at>
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>
> Alex Deucher wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Alan Young <ayoung at teleport.com>
> wrote:
> >> Alex Deucher wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Oliver Falk <oliver at linux-kernel.at>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Matt Turner wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:59 AM, Oliver Falk <oliver at linux-kernel.at
> >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>> [ ... ]
> >>>>> After working on the problem, Jay independently came to the exact
> >>>>> solution Gentoo arrived at before. This, by definition, is
> duplication
> >>>>> of effort.
> >>>> Yes. That's duplication of effort. And as Jay said. Why did that
> happen?
> >>>> Because of the lack of communication. See my other mail. A common axp
> >>>> patches store would help a lot in this case.
> >>> What about something like patchwork?
> >>> http://patchwork.kernel.org/
> >>>
> >>> If everyone send patches to the list, at least they'd end up in one
> place.
> >>>
> >>> Alex
> >>>
> >> Is patchwork limited to vger lists (linux-alpha)?  Or can it track
> non-vger
> >> lists?  If it could monitor the various lists (linux-alpha, redhat-axp,
> >> gentoo-alpha, debian-alpha, etc.) that could help to bring patches
> together.
> >
> > I don't know off hand, but I suspect just vger lists.  One could do
> > something similar for alpha lists.
>
> http://ozlabs.org/~jk/projects/patchwork/<http://ozlabs.org/%7Ejk/projects/patchwork/>
>
> We could run this somewhere for *us* (various distro alpha m/l) + axp-list.
>
> What you think?
>
> -of
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:07:21 +0100
> From: Oliver Falk <oliver at linux-kernel.at>
> Subject: Re: Secondary architectures and marketing
> To: Linux on Alpha processors <axp-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <496F5129.8080902 at linux-kernel.at>
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>
> Matt Turner wrote:
> [ ... ]
> >> Matt. You ask me to use another distribution. Why don't you use another
> >> distribution?
> >>
> >
> > First, thanks for the response.
> >
> > While I think the one-distribution idea is the ideal solution, I guess
> > it's not really feasible.
> >
> > To answer your final question of why don't I switch distributions: as
> > I told someone on IRC last night, if the roles were reversed and
> > Fedora was the well established distribution and Gentoo was just
> > starting, I could just as easily be suggesting people switch _to_
> > Fedora _from_ Gentoo.
>
> You're always thinking Fedora Alpha isn't 'so well'. I'm wondering. Or
> is this just my interpretation? Or do you mean the userbase?
>
> -of
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:19:07 -0500
> From: "Matt Turner" <mattst88 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Secondary architectures and marketing
> To: "Linux on Alpha processors" <axp-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID:
>        <b4198de60901150819j19ce4e75x82cf7a3d76169e68 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Oliver Falk <oliver at linux-kernel.at>
> wrote:
> > You're always thinking Fedora Alpha isn't 'so well'. I'm wondering. Or is
> > this just my interpretation?
>
> Well, yes. This is exactly how it was described to me -- not enough
> man-power to make it more than just experimental.
>
> I could be flat wrong though.
>
> > Or do you mean the userbase?
>
> I don't really know of any userbase. Of all the people I've talked
> with in #alpha, only one uses Fedora/Alpha.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:52:24 -0700
> From: "Dialup Jon Norstog" <thursday at allidaho.com>
> Subject: Re: Secondary architectures and marketing
> To: Linux on Alpha processors <axp-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <20090116215120.M74412 at allidaho.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=iso-8859-1
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: "Matt Turner" <mattst88 at gmail.com>
> To: "Linux on Alpha processors" <axp-list at redhat.com>
> Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:19:07 -0500
> Subject: Re: Secondary architectures and marketing
>
> >
> >
> > I don't really know of any userbase. Of all the people I've talked
> > with in #alpha, only one uses Fedora/Alpha.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
>
> Well, there's me - I use Fedora/Alpha every day.  I guess that makes 2?
>
> jn
>
>
>
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