Re: speakup at university

[Ken Perry <whistler blinksoft com>]

Lets not get into this argument.  I have found good and bad about Emacs
and it is turnning into the old religous wars.


When I wrote a maze server/ client emacs sucked up the joint cause I
couldn't use my maze client in the buffers because I was using
Ncurses.  Speakup rocked.

When I was doing a multi threaded philosifer program emacspeak did great 
till I had to check what all the philosifers were doing speakup did fine 
on that.

However Emacspeak has done great on many programs I have coded for many
classes in fact I am just going to start trying to use it witht he java
stuff I am hoping it will help with my current extreemly boring Java
class we don't have to do much graphics  so emacspeak should be able to
tackle this one dead with all its buffers I can use for debugging.


The point is the different types of tools are great for there different
types of jobs.

KenOn Fri,
2 Jun 2000 brianls home com wrote:

> Hi Jacob,
> 
> Your statements about emacspeak are not accurate.  It seems that
> you're not aware that emacs provides - and emacspeak supports - both a
> shell mode and a terminal emulator mode.  So, if you want to use the
> compiler from the command line, go for it.
> 
> Of course, if you'd like to save the C++ file, then hit 'alt-x
> compile' (no menu required), emacs will save the compiler errors and warnings in a
> special buffer - which is not difficult to switch to.  Then, you
> simply arrow to an interesting error and hit enter.  Emacs will put
> you in the source code, on the line containing the error.  Can you do
> that from the command line?  Emacspeak gives you the best of both
> worlds, in my opinion.
> 
> It's ok if you don't like emacspeak, but let's be honest about it.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Brian.
> >>>>> "Jacob" == Jacob Schmude <jacobs ncinter net> writes:
> 
>   Jacob> 	I really don't think that'd be the best way to go.
>   Jacob> You're restricted to emacs and I don't care what the
>   Jacob> emacspeak author says, there's some things you just can't do
>   Jacob> inside emacs. There's also some things that can't be done
>   Jacob> well. Try writing a simple C program, saving it, then compile
>   Jacob> it. You'll notice they didn't seem to think of a compile
>   Jacob> option in C/C++ mode, so you need to go to the menus, find
>   Jacob> the "compile" command, type the command for compilation in,
>   Jacob> then switch buffers to see the error messages if any. It'd be
>   Jacob> easier just to use command-line mode, load the editor of
>   Jacob> choice, exit, and compile and see the errors right on the cmd
>   Jacob> line. I'd go for the custom boot disk. This way, the
>   Jacob> university wouldn't need to compile their kernels again, and
>   Jacob> you could still have the speech-enabled kernel. Find out what
>   Jacob> they have/have not included, and make a boot disk for that
>   Jacob> kernel. You'll also need the root device, then you just
>   Jacob> access their system as if nothing had changed.
> 
>   Jacob> On Sat, 3 Jun 2000, Ron Marriage wrote:
> 
>   >> In this case your probable best bet is to drop speakup and use
>   >> emacspeak. You won't need any special permissions from the
>   >> university network department, and they won't inconvenience
>   >> others with odd key combinations that aren't standard.
>   >> 
>   >> In most university systems you will have your own account and
>   >> user directory. Set up emacspeak here and in any of your classes
>   >> you will be able to use it.
>   >> 
>   >> You will be able to get emacspeak versions to work not only on
>   >> your linux machines, but most other unix varieties, but also for
>   >> the windows environment. (never used it myself but assume it
>   >> works the same).
>   >> 
>   >> If at sometime you do develope a screen reader or audio
>   >> environment of your own that works well, be sure to let everyone
>   >> know about it. While this is a great goal, I have to say that I
>   >> taught computer science and programming, and never wrote one that
>   >> compares to emacspeak. Of course, I'm more inclined to write a
>   >> warehouse inventory program than an OS, of course then you have
>   >> to factor in that I'm pretty lazy too. <LOL>
>   >> 
>   >> Ron
>   >> 
>   >> 
>   >> ----- Original Message ----- From: Saqib Shaikh
>   >> <saqib saqib-shaikh freeserve co uk> To:
>   >> <speakup braille uwo ca>; <blinux-newbie egroups com>;
>   >> <blinux-list redhat com> Cc: <kirk braille uwo ca> Sent:
>   >> Saturday, June 03, 2000 1:52 PM Subject: speakup at university
>   >> 
>   >> 
>   >> > hi all, > sorry for the cross posting, but i need as good as
>   >> answer as there > is, as this is a pretty important decision. i
>   >> am currently using > speakup with zipslack, and find it good,
>   >> since the zipspeak > distribution is the only one where you don't
>   >> need to compile source > for the speech program because mr
>   >> campbell has already done > that. anyway, i am really looking at
>   >> the long term and in october i > will be going to university to
>   >> read computer science and will be > required to use many of the
>   >> laboratory computers, many running > linux. ok, the university
>   >> aren't going to be kene on my patching > their kernel so that
>   >> when my synth isn't connected the computer > will crash! even if
>   >> it doesn't crash speakup may cause trouble with > other user's as
>   >> they would still have to take heed of the speakup > hotkeys. is
>   >> there a solution to this problem? wel, the first i guessis > to
>   >> ask whether it wuld be possible to have my own boot disk, then >
>   >> log onto the university network with speech? secondly, i'll
>   >> probably > end up writing my own non kernel based screen reader!
>   >> please, > anyone give advice since i believe many of you gang
>   >> must be at uni > yourselves since many email addresses imply
>   >> this. > thanks, regards, saqib shaikh
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