Re: linux, backing up, jazz drives and others question

[Janina Sajka <janina afb net>]

The 2.4 kernels are now in testing. I don't have enough Linux experience
to hazard a guess as to what that means in terms of time to release. But,
I would be surprised if it's more than a couple of months.




On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Brent Harding wrote:

> How will usb be implemented? The 2.3 kernel isn't in yet, it's in test. Won't usb be pretty hard? Will it depend on a specific device's support more than a generic support like eide and scsi? I'm kind of new to this stuff, I got my computer with everything already in it, so never needed to worry about the address or id of devices.
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> On 6/27/00 at 9:55 AM Janina Sajka wrote:
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> >Hi, Brent:
> >
> >You are correct about USB under Linux, but only until the 2.4 kernels come
> >out and that's not very far in the future. I mention this again because
> >one thing to consider is that these units are very portable, but the EIDE,
> >if memory serves, the EIDE Orb is an internal (not parallel port) device,
> >so not portable.
> >
> >I believe the price of the units is somewhere around $300, though one can
> >probably find them for less. The web site for the Castlewood Orb is
> >http://www.castlewood.com. On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Brent Harding wrote:
> >
> >As for what tools to use under Linux for backups -- the old reliable, of
> >course. tar, gunzip, and now bz2.
> >
> >You will want to think through a good backup strategy, i.e. perhaps
> >separating your /root and /usr and /etc tar archives from /home -- where
> >the data changes more frequently. 
> >
> >> 		Cool. The eide  ones are easiest to set up, right? I know usb is out of it if I'm going to use linux. What special features does this drive have? It still seems a not so bad for $40 for two gigs, I only have a 6 gig hard drive to back up. Do you have to use special drivers in linux, or does it just work on it's own? I don't know what kind of connectors remain to be used in my hard drive, I have an eide hard drive, and cd-rom that's actually atapi. Linux didn't tell me about empty slots though. Amazingly it told me the brand of hard drive I got, how cool, I never really knew that info before.
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> >> On 6/26/00 at 9:40 PM Janina Sajka wrote:
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> >> >The news is even better. I believe you have your choice of scsi, eide, or
> >> >usb models, and they all use cartridges that can store up to about 2
> >> >Gb. Not bad, imho.
> >> >
> >> >Having said all this to you today, I'm sad to report that something has
> >> >gone awry with mine. Not the Orb or the media, something in my setup. It
> >> >was working the other day, now it's not. But I can access in Winblows
> >> ><groan>
> >> >
> >> >					Janina
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Brent Harding wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> 	Oh, how much does the orb drive store? I use debian 2.2, do you just recompile the kernel with scsi support in, and it works?
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> >> >> On 6/26/00 at 4:30 PM Janina Sajka wrote:
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> >> >> >Hi:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Media for Jazz drives was around $100 for the 2 gig units, last I
> >> >> >looked. Media for the Orb is around $40, which is part of it's attraction.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I have found the configuration pretty straight forward--but that's because
> >> >> >I had some help doing it. If memory serves, the RedHat distro can discover
> >> >> >and configure pretty much on its own. Of course, your mileage may vary,
> >> >> >but in no way are these more cumbersome than tape drives. No way on that
> >> >> >score.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Brent Harding wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> 	Wow, cool. How expensive are the disks for these drives? I thought it'd be easier than a tape drive because tape involves a lot of work to set up before things work.
> >> >> >> I thought these were easy. Don't you have to enter all kinds of scsi id's and junk in to files? It's just hard to know what's compatible in linux, I heard not all adapters are.
> >> >> >> 
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> >> >> >> On 6/26/00 at 1:55 PM Janina Sajka wrote:
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >Brent, you're calling them "backup" drives, but that is simply not
> >> >> >> >correct. A "backup" is one kind of use you can put a Jazz or an Orb drive
> >> >> >> >to, but it is far more than that. For example, you can simply store files
> >> >> >> >on them.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >How easy is to use them?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Very easy. They're just another drive designation.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, brent harding wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> 			How easy is it to use debian 2.2 potato with various backup drives,
> >> >> >> >> jazz, tape, etc? The jazz drive howto looks quite easy to set up, does it
> >> >> >> >> work fairly well? How expensive are the cartridges for it? I rarely heard
> >> >> >> >> of what it was until I looked for a howto and passed it on the way. Does it
> >> >> >> >> get autodetected when you have it hooked to a scsi card? If so, which is
> >> >> >> >> the best controller to use under linux. I'm not real technically inclined
> >> >> >> >> to know what's compatible with which driver, but I'd like to be able to
> >> >> >> >> make a backup of my system. CD is out of the question because my cd-burner
> >> >> >> >> is usb, which isn't yet supported. Finally, will the jazz drive work in
> >> >> >> >> linux with a laptop?
> >> >> >> >> That ftape thing seemed kind of misleading. I thought the adaptec scsi
> >> >> >> >> cards work in linux, or not all of them?
> >> >> >> >> Thanks.
> >> >> >> >> 
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