Re: linux, backing up, jazz drives and others question

[brent harding <bharding greenbaynet com>]

I thought I heard of this new usb thing being in test since last year, but
don't really know. If usb comes in, you'd still have to find drivers for
every device you have, unlike just using generic support for usb and have
everything work. The trouble is it's more of a microsoft technology, I
think, and is hard to implement. I made the mistake of getting an usb
cd-writer that's not usable in linux. I didn't know about linux then that
it could talk, although I wanted it because I was using a shell account and
wanted to be able to run certain programs I needed to be root to install.
At 02:31 PM 6/27/00 -0400, you wrote:
>The 2.4 kernels are now in testing. I don't have enough Linux experience
>to hazard a guess as to what that means in terms of time to release. But,
>I would be surprised if it's more than a couple of months.
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>On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Brent Harding wrote:
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>> How will usb be implemented? The 2.3 kernel isn't in yet, it's in test.
Won't usb be pretty hard? Will it depend on a specific device's support
more than a generic support like eide and scsi? I'm kind of new to this
stuff, I got my computer with everything already in it, so never needed to
worry about the address or id of devices.
>> 
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>> On 6/27/00 at 9:55 AM Janina Sajka wrote:
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>> >Hi, Brent:
>> >
>> >You are correct about USB under Linux, but only until the 2.4 kernels come
>> >out and that's not very far in the future. I mention this again because
>> >one thing to consider is that these units are very portable, but the EIDE,
>> >if memory serves, the EIDE Orb is an internal (not parallel port) device,
>> >so not portable.
>> >
>> >I believe the price of the units is somewhere around $300, though one can
>> >probably find them for less. The web site for the Castlewood Orb is
>> >http://www.castlewood.com. On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Brent Harding wrote:
>> >
>> >As for what tools to use under Linux for backups -- the old reliable, of
>> >course. tar, gunzip, and now bz2.
>> >
>> >You will want to think through a good backup strategy, i.e. perhaps
>> >separating your /root and /usr and /etc tar archives from /home -- where
>> >the data changes more frequently. 
>> >
>> >> 		Cool. The eide  ones are easiest to set up, right? I know usb is
out of it if I'm going to use linux. What special features does this drive
have? It still seems a not so bad for $40 for two gigs, I only have a 6 gig
hard drive to back up. Do you have to use special drivers in linux, or does
it just work on it's own? I don't know what kind of connectors remain to be
used in my hard drive, I have an eide hard drive, and cd-rom that's
actually atapi. Linux didn't tell me about empty slots though. Amazingly it
told me the brand of hard drive I got, how cool, I never really knew that
info before.
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>> >> On 6/26/00 at 9:40 PM Janina Sajka wrote:
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>> >> >The news is even better. I believe you have your choice of scsi,
eide, or
>> >> >usb models, and they all use cartridges that can store up to about 2
>> >> >Gb. Not bad, imho.
>> >> >
>> >> >Having said all this to you today, I'm sad to report that something has
>> >> >gone awry with mine. Not the Orb or the media, something in my
setup. It
>> >> >was working the other day, now it's not. But I can access in Winblows
>> >> ><groan>
>> >> >
>> >> >					Janina
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Brent Harding wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> 	Oh, how much does the orb drive store? I use debian 2.2, do you
just recompile the kernel with scsi support in, and it works?
>> >> >> 
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>> >> >> On 6/26/00 at 4:30 PM Janina Sajka wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> >Hi:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Media for Jazz drives was around $100 for the 2 gig units, last I
>> >> >> >looked. Media for the Orb is around $40, which is part of it's
attraction.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I have found the configuration pretty straight forward--but
that's because
>> >> >> >I had some help doing it. If memory serves, the RedHat distro can
discover
>> >> >> >and configure pretty much on its own. Of course, your mileage may
vary,
>> >> >> >but in no way are these more cumbersome than tape drives. No way
on that
>> >> >> >score.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Brent Harding wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> 	Wow, cool. How expensive are the disks for these drives? I
thought it'd be easier than a tape drive because tape involves a lot of
work to set up before things work.
>> >> >> >> I thought these were easy. Don't you have to enter all kinds of
scsi id's and junk in to files? It's just hard to know what's compatible in
linux, I heard not all adapters are.
>> >> >> >> 
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>> >> >> >> On 6/26/00 at 1:55 PM Janina Sajka wrote:
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >Brent, you're calling them "backup" drives, but that is simply
not
>> >> >> >> >correct. A "backup" is one kind of use you can put a Jazz or
an Orb drive
>> >> >> >> >to, but it is far more than that. For example, you can simply
store files
>> >> >> >> >on them.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >How easy is to use them?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Very easy. They're just another drive designation.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, brent harding wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> 			How easy is it to use debian 2.2 potato with various
backup drives,
>> >> >> >> >> jazz, tape, etc? The jazz drive howto looks quite easy to
set up, does it
>> >> >> >> >> work fairly well? How expensive are the cartridges for it? I
rarely heard
>> >> >> >> >> of what it was until I looked for a howto and passed it on
the way. Does it
>> >> >> >> >> get autodetected when you have it hooked to a scsi card? If
so, which is
>> >> >> >> >> the best controller to use under linux. I'm not real
technically inclined
>> >> >> >> >> to know what's compatible with which driver, but I'd like to
be able to
>> >> >> >> >> make a backup of my system. CD is out of the question
because my cd-burner
>> >> >> >> >> is usb, which isn't yet supported. Finally, will the jazz
drive work in
>> >> >> >> >> linux with a laptop?
>> >> >> >> >> That ftape thing seemed kind of misleading. I thought the
adaptec scsi
>> >> >> >> >> cards work in linux, or not all of them?
>> >> >> >> >> Thanks.
>> >> >> >> >> 
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