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Re: [dm-devel] [PATCH] md: dm-crypt: Add option to re-use a new global work-queue.



*ping* Any word on my previous counter-proposal? Shall I prepare
another patch for consideration?

-san


On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:42 PM, San Mehat <san google com> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Milan Broz <mbroz redhat com> wrote:
>> On 04/22/2010 08:08 PM, San Mehat wrote:
>>> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Milan Broz <mbroz redhat com> wrote:
>>>> On 04/22/2010 07:48 PM, San Mehat wrote:
>>>>> Typically, dm-crypt instances each have their own set of kcrypt/kcrypt_io
>>>>> work-queues. This patch adds an option which will create one set of
>>>>> work-queues on init, and re-uses them for all dm-crypt target instances.
>>
>>>> Can you explain the real reason for this patch?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sure, I'd be happy to explain.
>>
>> (Please add this always to patch header.)
>>
>
> Will do - thanks.
>
>>>
>>>   Upcoming versions of android are about to start using dm/dm-crypt
>>> heavily, having
>>> a large number of small dm-crypt instances running on the device (hard
>>> to tell just
>>> how many, but i've seen cases where up to 50 or 60 instances may be
>>> running). This ends up creating 100 - 120 kernel threads, and I was
>>> simply trying to cut that down.
>>
>> Sorry, but I don't take this argument. "Too many notes!" :-)
>>
>> So the problem is with memory allocation? Scheduler? Or where?
>> Kernel threads should be cheap.
>>
>
> Well the initial consideration was towards memory overhead with so
> many threads that don't do much (in our use-case) on an embedded
> device.
>
>> If you need 60 crypt devices, you almost surely hit at least starvation
>> problem with one global queue!
>> (Just curious - what are these crypt devices doing?)
>
> The crypt devices are providing small read-only encrypted file-systems
> - whose backing files exist on an external FAT file-system, and are
> created on-demand as needed. In this usage scenario, we'll only see
> typically a few of these devices being simultaneously accessed, (and
> the sd-card throughput is definitely the long-pole in the performance
> profile, so even when I beat on 80 or 90 concurrent instances, we're
> mainly waiting for mmcqd to complete transactions).
>
>>
>>> I'd be more than happy to discuss alternatives; but do we *really*
>>> need 2 work-queue threads per instance?
>>
>> yes.
>
> What if we made a note in the Kconfig advising against using the option in
> stacked configurations? (Or even make it depend on CONFIG_EMBEDDED)
>
> Thanks for your time,
>
> -san
>
>>
>> For separate io queue - see commit cabf08e4d3d1181d7c408edae97fb4d1c31518af
>>
>> | Add post-processing queue (per crypt device) for read operations.
>>
>> | Current implementation uses only one queue for all operations
>> | and this can lead to starvation caused by many requests waiting
>> | for memory allocation. But the needed memory-releasing operation
>> | is queued after these requests (in the same queue).
>>
>>
>> (and there were another problem with async crypt - callback is called
>> in interrupt context, bio must be submitted from separate workqueue IIRC)
>>
>>>> (cc: Alasdair - I think he will not accept the patch anyway.)
>>>
>>> Probably not, but at least we can get the discussion going :)
>>
>> I am not saying that I do not want to discuss this - but we must know
>> the real problems many queues are causing first.
>> And then think about possible solutions.
>>
>> Milan
>>
>
>
>
> --
> San Mehat  |  Staff Software Engineer  |  Android  |  Google Inc.
> 415.366.6172 (san google com)
>



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San Mehat  |  Staff Software Engineer  |  Android  |  Google Inc.
415.366.6172 (san google com)


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