Re: next Beta

["Andrew Smith" <rhml k1k2 com>]

> Joe Klemmer wrote:
>> On Sat, 1 Dec 2001 jfm2 club-internet fr wrote:
>> >  Mandrake has IMHO the right answer here: if you are new to Linux
>> >  you
>> > get postfix, if you are not then you are given the choice between
>> > sendmail and postfix (and since the Mandrake installer is GPL and is
>> > leagues ahead of anaconda RedHat should take the occasion to "steal
>> > back" something from Mandrake).
>>         Hhhmmmm....  Most of the people I work with prefer the RH
>>         install
>> over Mandrake by a large margin.  Mandrake's install doesn't do things
>> the way I need them to and that seems to be the bigest problems others
>> have.
> And most of people I know including those who prefer RedHat think its
> installer
> does not compare with Mandrake's.
> 
> Lets's have a comparison:
> 
> -At the end of installation Mandrake is perfectly operational:  it
> connects to youtr ISP, it has no unnecessary daemons started, it also
> prints.  If you printed through SMB then it has been smart enough to
> install Samba. With RedHat you still have to trim daemons and xinetd
> lists, you still have to configure your Internet access, you still have
> to configure printing and it is not smart enough to install Samba if
> you need it for printing.  It is true
> that RedHat detects and configures sound card at first boot while you
> have to do it manually with Mandrake.  It is true that RedHat has
> configured firewalling (I haven't investigated Mandrake's secure mode).
>  However I think
> 
> the round goes to Mandrake.     Mandrake 1  RedHat 0

OK - I'm not going one way or the other with install since I've never
used Mandrake.

However, corrections to the above statements:

What exactly must you do to xinetd?
Every time I installed 7.1 everything was off - has this changed in 7.2?

And what are the unnecessary daemons?
(and don't say sendmail since by setup it is a local MTA so who cares)

To connect to your ISP you can run internet-config in KDE (not sure
about Gnome) which is very easy. I hope Mandrake doesn't require you
to setup your ISP connection during install. (and it damn well better
not do it by itself :-)

As for samba - you mean it probes the network and sets up printers
automagically? So what happens if you set it up in a large office
with lots of printers? :-) :-)
If it shows you a list to choose from (by default) then that is OK.

Interestingly enough, the two items you admit to RedHat are really big
ones!
To configure sound for one of my sound cards that was not on the
supported list was rather difficult in my opinion - but that may be
my lack of initial understanding of ALSA.
As for firewalls - there is no way in hell that ANY Linux install these
days should not have a firewall prompt during install (IMHO :-)

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-Cheers
-Andrew

MS ... if only he hadn't been hang gliding!