===================================================================== Main Entry: col·lab·o·rate Pronunciation: k&-'la-b&-"rAt Etymology: Late Latin collaboratus, past participle of collaborare to labor together, from Latin com- + laborare to labor 1 : to work jointly with others or together especially in an intellectual endeavor 2 : to cooperate with an agency or instrumentality with which one is not immediately connected ===================================================================== Question1: If RPMforge has a perfectly working ClamAV for EL5, and if we are collaborating, why would EPEL build ClamAV? Question2: If ATRPMS has a perfectly working nx/freenx for EL5, and if we are collaborating, why would EPEL build nx / freenx? ===================================================================== Answer to both ... EPEL wants to be "THE" Master 3rd Party repo, not just a 3rd Party Repo. There can be no misinterpreting that, it is just plain fact. If we were collaborating, EPEL would build things not already in RPMforge or ATRPMS or CentOS Extras. We are not collaborating, we are consolidating under the rule of the EPEL team. So if that happens and if EPEL is maintaining 8000 packages with the help of the Dag, Dries, Alex, Rex, the CentOS Devels .. then how long till this bright idea: Hmmm ... This EPEL thing is going so good, what about a collaborative Fedora EL to consolidate all the rebuilds? It is only a matter of time until that happens, as far as I can see. Now, if EPEL is really interested in collaboration, and not domination, then some assigning of master packages to RPMForge and/or ATRPMS ... and using existing RPMForge and ATRPMs binary packages in the mock build repo definitions would go a long way toward quieting the domination speculation. All I see, frankly, is this: EPEL is "THE" 3rd Party repo for Red Hat based EL ... join us, play by our rules, and submit all your packages here. Integration ... sure, the other guys can join us and play by our rules or not. Collaboration ... sure, the other guys can stop what they are doing and join us and play by our rules or not. Why does that make me even the slightest bit nervous ... I mean, Red Hat would never ever pull the plug on supporting Fedora EPEL (Or the mythical Fedora EL, if it happened and put CentOS out of business), would they? Of course they would if it enhanced their business model. Anyone here ever heard of Red Hat 9? I am not ready to hitch CentOS to this model to see it be made irrelevant by the next progression in this process ... so what assurances are there that the master plan is not to totally dominate the community Red Hat based EL market (a position that CentOS currently holds based on the extremely hard work of about 20 people, the donations of hundreds of ISPs and Mirror Providers, etc.). Getting tied back in to same process/entity that fragmented this market in the first place does not seem very logical to me. Thanks, Johnny Hughes
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