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Log from this weeks (200700815) EPEL SIG Meeting



Just a reminder: it's a SIG meeting, not a Steering Committee meeting. I'd be glad if SIG members and other EPEL contributors would join us more often!

00:00:04 <       knurd> | Meeting ping dgilmore, Jeff_S, knurd, mmcgrath, nirik, stahnma, quaid and everyone interested in EPEL -- EPEL meeting in #fedora-meeting now!
00:00:04 <       knurd> | Hi everybody; who's around?
00:00:04            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Sig meeting -- Meeting rules at http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/Schedule/MeetingGuidelines -- Init process
00:00:07              * | knurd likes to remind people that the schedule and the topic list for todays meeting can be found on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Schedule
00:00:26              * | nirik is here, but on phone
00:00:27              * | stahnma is
00:00:31              * | Jeff_S_ here
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00:00:45 <    debarshi> | names
00:01:00 <       knurd> | sorry, seems I forgot to send the topic list out
00:01:09 <       knurd> | (but of course it's always in the wiki)
00:01:12 <       knurd> | debarshi ?
00:01:53 <    mmcgrath> | pong!
00:02:02              * | knurd starts slowly
00:02:04            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting|new push scripts for pushing to testing, adjust mock configs to use testing -- dgilmore
00:02:10 <       knurd> | dgilmore finished that
00:02:27 <    debarshi> | knurd: Sorry. My mistake.
00:02:27 <       knurd> | we need to do more stuff with the script to be able to push to stable
00:02:37 <       knurd> | but for now it should be good enough
00:02:45 <       knurd> | I'll take a look at it over the next few days
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00:02:51            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting|branch for EPEL if Fedora maintainer does not react -- dgilmore
00:02:54 <       knurd> | finsihed as well
00:03:02 <       knurd> | see list and wiki for details
00:03:08            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting|yum for EPEL4 -- Jeff_S
00:03:14 <       knurd> | Jeff_S ?
00:03:15 <     stahnma> | Also finished :)
00:03:23 <     Jeff_S_> | see mailing list -- it shold work fine
00:03:23 <     stahnma> | I think
00:03:25 <     Jeff_S_> | *should*
00:03:30              * | stahnma will test in a bit
00:03:34 <     Jeff_S_> | thanks
00:03:36 <     stahnma> | I have RHEL 4 sitting around
00:03:40 <       knurd> | k
00:03:40              * | quaid is here after he finds his scroll down
00:03:48 <     Jeff_S_> | stahnma: that's great
00:03:49 <       knurd> | what do we need to do to get it in testing?
00:03:51 <     stahnma> | jeff, what's the URL?
00:04:00              * | stahnma is too lazy to find his email
00:04:03 <     Jeff_S_> | http://www.sheltren.com/epel/packages/
00:04:05 <       knurd> | Jeff_S_, will you maintain it for EPEL4?
00:04:25 <     Jeff_S_> | knurd: yes, I can maintain yum + deps if nobody else is interested
00:04:42 <       knurd> | seems you are the perfect one for the job atm
00:04:42 <     Jeff_S_> | I'll run it by the fedora maintainers
00:04:47 <       knurd> | Jeff_S_, k
00:04:54              * | f13 peeks in
00:05:07            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting|EPEL announcement happened -- are we satisfied with how everything worked out?
00:05:16 <       knurd> | that's still on the topic list
00:05:21            <-- | jgu__  has left #fedora-meeting ( )
00:05:25 <       knurd> | do we want to discuss this further or simply move on?
00:05:38 <       quaid> | think we discussed it, +1 to move on
00:05:40 <  hpachas-PE> | install fedora 7 in SATA Model ST3250820AS, who?
00:05:49              * | Jeff_S_ fine to move on
00:06:05 <       knurd> | k, I'll remove it from the schedule then
00:06:07            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting| RHX and EPEL -- quaid
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00:06:10 <       knurd> | quaid ?
00:06:25 <       quaid> | nothing new
00:06:34 <       knurd> | k :)
00:06:38 <       quaid> | but I haven't asked in a while; forgot it could be on the agenda
00:06:48 <       knurd> | but I leave it on the schedule?
00:06:56 <       knurd> | s/the/our/ ?
00:06:59 <       quaid> | well, that way we don't forget, ok
00:07:08 <       knurd> | k
00:07:21 <       knurd> | topic EPEL Meeting| for enterprise customers/ISVs/IHVs -- stahnma, quaid
00:07:24            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting| for enterprise customers/ISVs/IHVs -- stahnma, quaid
00:07:31 <       knurd> | that also still on the schedule
00:07:35 <       knurd> | is that still valid?
00:07:50              * | mmcgrath looks at communication plan
00:07:53            <-- | nphilipp has quit ("Leaving")
00:08:00 <       quaid> | well, it's about as far as we can get it
00:08:08 <       quaid> | but I haven't heard from the rest of the crew in a while
00:08:27 <     stahnma> | are the RH SE's talking about EPEL at all?
00:08:39 <    mmcgrath> | We should get something up there that speaks directly to ISV to tell them how to get involved and make it known to the rest of us that they are an ISV.
00:09:03 <       knurd> | quaid, how about sending it to the list as RFC and ratify it next week?
00:09:04 <       quaid> | stahnma: maybe
00:09:10 <       quaid> | knurd: ok
00:09:27 <    mmcgrath> | stahnma: we could always call RH, ask to talk to a sales guy and find out :)
00:09:50              * | knurd moves on
00:09:51 <     stahnma> | hmm
00:09:52 <     stahnma> | hahah
00:09:55 <       knurd> | 7me waits
00:09:55 <     stahnma> | sounds fun
00:10:13            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting|
00:10:22 <     stahnma> | Jeff_S_: Yum works on RHEL 4
00:10:27 <       knurd> | quaid, another old topic
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00:10:30 <     Jeff_S_> | stahnma: great, thanks for testing
00:10:30 <     stahnma> | or doesn't work, however you want look at it
00:10:32 <       knurd> | is that one still valid?
00:10:33 <     Jeff_S_> | hah
00:10:44 <     stahnma> | it builds, as do the deps
00:11:37 <       knurd> | seems quaid vanished for the moment
00:11:47            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting|ExcludeArch TrackerBugs for EPEL -- notting/knurd
00:11:55 <       knurd> | anyone interesed in solving this one
00:12:01 <       knurd> | seems I don#t get down to it
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00:12:05 <       quaid> | sorry, was working on that email
00:12:21 <       quaid> | I'll send the generic job descriptiokn as an RFC as well
00:12:33 <       knurd> | quaid, k, thx
00:12:58 <  hpachas-PE> | sorry, SATA work with Fedora 7 ??
00:12:58              * | knurd will wait 30 sekonds for volunteers for the "ExcludeArch TrackerBugs for EPEL" before moving on
00:13:17 <       knurd> | hpachas-PE, you'll likely want to ask in #fedora
00:13:18 <     Jeff_S_> | hpachas-PE: try #fedora please
00:13:28              * | Jeff_S_ too slow
00:13:29 <       knurd> | hpachas-PE, we have a meeting specific to epel here currently
00:13:40 <  hpachas-PE> | ok. sorry
00:13:41 <       knurd> | Jeff_S_, just one second afaics ;-)
00:13:45 <       knurd> | hpachas-PE, np
00:14:17              * | knurd EPEL -- FESCo mandate/how to move on with SIG and SteeringCommittee
00:14:21            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL -- FESCo mandate/how to move on with SIG and SteeringCommittee
00:14:24 <       knurd> | that's better
00:14:34 <       knurd> | I just remembered that we need to think about this soon
00:14:47 <       knurd> | the mandate from FESCo is limited till 30th September iirc
00:14:53 <     stahnma> | what is this topic saying?
00:15:03 <       knurd> | do we want to move on with the current scheme
00:15:17 <       knurd> | or do we want to elect a sterring committee?
00:15:27 <       quaid> | *ick* :)
00:15:38 <       quaid> | I'm like you, I've begun to wonder about all this election noise
00:15:40 <    mmcgrath> | I guess the question is what are we trying to accomplish beyond what we are accomplishing now.
00:15:47 <       quaid> | is it helpful?  what do we do, poll people to find out?
00:16:07 <     stahnma> | elections to me would be nice, but it seems interest is among only very few people, so elections probalby wouldn't do a whole lot
00:16:07 <       quaid> | mmcgrath: maintenance and growth
00:16:22 <       knurd> | mmcgrath, yeah, I'm don#t like the election idea myself, but well, if others want then I'm find with doing one 
00:16:32 <       knurd> | stahnma, +1
00:17:08 <       knurd> | well, maybe we should all thing about this somehow
00:17:16 <       quaid> | we could recommend an extension of the mandate for e.g. 6 months
00:17:18 <     stahnma> | I think right now growth of the repo and user-base is where we should putting effort
00:17:23 <     stahnma> | not into politics
00:17:32 <       quaid> | +1
00:17:52 <       quaid> | and we seem to have a manageable group without adding or subtracting
00:17:55 <       knurd> | quaid, well, is there a reasons to time-limit it again?
00:18:01 <    mmcgrath> | I guess a specific goal would be good.  I mean the obvious goal is there but do we also want to aggressively add more packages?  Add more packagers?  Add more documentation?  Marketing?
00:18:09 <       quaid> | knurd: only if we think we need a forced decision at some point
00:18:21 <       knurd> | yeah, you have a point
00:18:22 <       quaid> | mmcgrath: yes :)
00:18:26 <     stahnma> | I would like to get more involvement from EL customers, and hear what they think/want need
00:18:27 <       nirik> | I don't know that we would have enough people to make an election worth it.
00:18:31 <       knurd> | mmcgrath, "more packages" is still goal #1 I'd say
00:18:45              * | nirik agrees with knurd 
00:19:40 <    mmcgrath> | Well, how do we get more packages in?
00:19:47 <       knurd> | good question
00:19:55 <    mmcgrath> | AFAIK most people have just come upon us :)
00:19:58 <       knurd> | lists of important pacakges that still miss in EPEL?
00:19:59 <     stahnma> | allow for hostile takeover of maintainane :)
00:20:01 <       knurd> | more maintainers?
00:20:27              * | mmcgrath thinks now would be a good time for "more packagers/maintainer"
00:20:38 <    mmcgrath> | get the word out about how to get involved, maybe help with reviews, etc.
00:20:47 <     stahnma> | +1 mmcgrath
00:20:54 <       knurd> | maybe a sponser-way for EPEL-only contrinbutors
00:20:56 <     stahnma> | most reviews are done already in the Fedora space
00:21:05 <       knurd> | that want to maintain existing packages 
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00:21:44 <       knurd> | well, let's stop here and continue on the list and in the next meeting with this topic
00:21:48 <     stahnma> | there are several packages in Fedora not in EPEL yet, should we do a mass emailing off all non-committed maintiners and try to solicit their wish for involvingment in EPEL?
00:22:03              * | stahnma can't type
00:22:13 <       knurd> | stahnma, maybe yes
00:22:17 <     stahnma> | baiscally, find out the status for everyone
00:22:26 <     stahnma> | and then see what package will need new maintainers for EPEL
00:22:32 <     stahnma> | and get those built if possible
00:22:33 <       knurd> | stahnma, the package database might help
00:22:42 <       knurd> | but abadger1999 is busy with lots of stuff already
00:22:42              * | stahnma was looking that last night
00:22:56 <       knurd> | so EPEL specific things likely won#t he high on the todo list
00:23:10 < abadger1999> | What's the issue?
00:23:32              * | nirik has a number of packages he would like to branch for epel, but hasn't had time. 
00:23:33 <       knurd> | abadger1999, nothing specific (yet)
00:24:07              * | mmcgrath wonders if peoples packages aren't in epel because of -ENOTIME -EDOESNTCARE or -EMISSINGDEP
00:24:12 <       knurd> | but maybe tracking the stuff from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/ContributorStatus in a DB might help to identify packages/packagers, that do not hit EPEL
00:24:22 < abadger1999> | knurd: k.  Feel free to open a ticket in http://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/packagedb  when you have something you need done.
00:24:50 <       knurd> | mmcgrath, I suppose "can#t test easily" and "fear long maintanance time"
00:24:56 <     stahnma> | mmcgrath: I think missingdep is #1
00:24:59 <       knurd> | abadger1999, will do, thx for your help
00:25:10 <       knurd> | stahnma, yeah, that also
00:25:32 <    mmcgrath> | missingdeps is a chicken and egg thing, but it will take care of itself over time (even if it is painfully slow)
00:25:35              * | knurd votes for moving on now
00:25:41 <       knurd> | mmcgrath, +1
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00:26:01            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting -- Free discussion around EPEL
00:26:06 <       knurd> | anything else to discuss?
00:26:21 <       knurd> | my mail on "Meetings and mailiglists/decision finding process" maybe?
00:26:29 <       knurd> | or shall we discuss it further on the list?
00:26:43              * | mmcgrath just wanted to say I think the EPEL community is pretty healthy right now, lots of people and packages being built and we're still very young.
00:27:04 <     Jeff_S_> | I'm happy to try to do most communication on the list and then just finalize things in meetings -- that way we can speed through these faster :)
00:27:11 <       knurd> | mmcgrath, kind of agreed, but there is still a lot to improve afaics
00:27:14 <     Jeff_S_> | and we'll get more community input that way as well
00:27:16 <     stahnma> | I liked the speed of today's meeting
00:27:20 <       nirik> | yeah, I think we are in a period where there aren't too many decisions to be made... more maintainers needed more, etc.
00:27:32 <    mmcgrath> | stahnma: and the number of people that showed up :)
00:27:38 <     stahnma> | I suppose
00:27:42 <       knurd> | stahnma, well, it does only work if stuff is discussed on the list first
00:27:47 <     stahnma> | true
00:27:48 <       knurd> | e.g. the details
00:27:50 <    mmcgrath> | nirik: I guess thats a tribute to how good FESCo (and EPEL's general upstream) has been.
00:28:12 <       nirik> | well, we don't have to worry about things like package guidelines, etc, they are all there upstream. ;)
00:28:38 <    mmcgrath> | exactly
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00:29:17 <       knurd> | well, anything else?
00:29:24              * | mmcgrath has nothing
00:29:25 <       knurd> | or shall we close the meeting for today?
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00:29:51              * | knurd will close the meeting in 60
00:29:52 <     Jeff_S_> | nothing here
00:30:05              * | nirik has nothing either. 
00:30:14              * | knurd will close the meeting in 30
00:30:34              * | knurd will close the meeting in 10
00:30:44 <       knurd> | -- MARK -- Meeting end
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00:30:49 <       knurd> | thx everyone


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