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Log from this weeks (week 23; meeting 20070606) EPEL SIG meeting



00:00              * | mmcgrath lurks
00:01              * | knurd at the keyboard now
00:01              * | stahnma is in the house
00:01 <     stahnma> | and sounds less cool... for saying that
00:01 <       knurd> | Meeting ping dgilmore, knurd, mmcgrath, nirik,
stahnma, quaid and everyone interested in EPEL -- EPEL meeting in
#fedora-meeting now!
00:01            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Sig meeting
-- Meeting rules at
http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/Schedule/MeetingGuidelines --
Init process
00:01 <       knurd> | Hi everybody; who's around?
00:01              * | mmcgrath here
00:02            --> | jbowes (James Bowes)  has joined #fedora-meeting
00:02 <       knurd> | quaid mentioned he has a app't at the dentist
00:02 <     stahnma> | I might have to cut out early
00:02 <     stahnma> | again, i will wish for a new time
00:02 <       knurd> | stahnma, might be a good idea to bring that up again
00:03 <       knurd> | stahnma, but the problems remain the same
00:03 <     stahnma> | ok, I will start on linst
00:03 <     stahnma> | list
00:03 <       knurd> | or shall we switch back to the weekends?
00:03 <     stahnma> | yeah, really wednesdays are even worse for me
than any other weekday
00:03 <       knurd> | stahnma, we maybe should wait with it until we
are seven again
00:03              * | Jeff_S here now..
00:03              * | nirik is back... was getting coffee.
00:04 <     stahnma> | knurd: that's fine
00:04 <       knurd> | k, let's start slowly
00:04            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting --
repotags -- all
00:04 <       knurd> | as I said on the list
00:04 <     stahnma> | I propse we do whatever it takes to get past this
issue and start working on something new
00:04 <       knurd> | we are discussing in private now how to move on
00:05 <       knurd> | stahnma, well, some people would like to get past
this issue by continuing without repotags, while others want them
00:05 <       nirik> | stahnma: +1
00:05 <       knurd> | I could for the "want repotags" group these days
00:05 <       knurd> | as that seems to be what the contributors want
00:06 <       knurd> | even if it from a techincal statpoin is something
where people have different opinions if they solve or create problems
00:06              * | nirik really has stopped caring. If we can find a
easy way to add them now we can always drop them later.
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00:06 <       knurd> | nirik, +1
00:06 <     stahnma> | nirik: +1
00:06 <       nirik> | they cause us problems because the issue never
goes away. I hope that adding them will at least do that...
00:06 <       knurd> | we just need to put in in words over the next few
days somehow
00:06 <      Jeff_S> | Yes, it may be nice to enable them for now and
see what other "better" things we could do in the future...
00:06 <       knurd> | Jeff_S, +1
00:06 <         f13> | christ, how many times are you going to bring
this up and how many times are we all going to say that we don't want
them, please go away?
00:07 <       nirik> | always and forever...
00:07 <         f13> | are you just hoping to play meeting bingo and
find the one time that enough people are absent so it'll pass?
00:07 <       knurd> | f13, no, we are discussing it in private currently
00:07 <       nirik> | so in that case can we move on in this meeting
instead of talking about it again?
00:08 <       knurd> | nirik, +1
00:08 <     stahnma> | +1
00:08 <       knurd> | I was just about to do that
00:08            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting --
EPEL mock configs in Fedora's mock package -- dglimore
00:08 <       knurd> | has anybody proper and tested config files already?
00:08 <       knurd> | I wrote some weeks ago and posted them to the list
00:08 <       nirik> | I have some here I have been using... I could try
cleaning them up and posting them...
00:08 <       knurd> | nirik, that would be great!
00:08 <       nirik> | f13: any news on a mock update?
00:08 <       knurd> | nirik, thx
00:09 <         f13> | soon woudl be good, need to do a mock update for
Fedora 7.  Clark is back from vacation so any moment now.
00:09 <       knurd> | nirik, the ones I send should be in the archives
00:09 <      Jeff_S> | knurd: I've been using my own local ones, but
I'll make a note to test yours out and post to the list
00:09 <       knurd> | Jeff_S, mine should work for x86_64 and i386
00:09 <       nirik> | f13: it would be good to get valid epel4/5 in
there... I can assist.
00:09 <       knurd> | there is no ppc yet
00:09 <       knurd> | and we need to fix the epel4 configs as well
00:09 <      Jeff_S> | knurd: OK I can test both i386 and x86_64, so I
will do that...
00:09              * | dgilmore is here
00:09 <         f13> | nirik: just submit them in a bug against mock in
Fedora Hosted Projects product in Bugzilla.
00:09 <       knurd> | nirik and Jeff_S, could you work that out over
the next few days?
00:10 <       nirik> | f13: will do
00:10 <       knurd> | hi dgilmore,
00:10 <      Jeff_S> | knurd: yep
00:10 <       knurd> | dgilmore, or did you look into the mock configs
already? nirik and Jeff_S volunteered to take care of it
00:10 <    dgilmore> | knurd: i have not had time
00:11 <    dgilmore> | its on my list to get done this week
00:11 <       knurd> | dgilmore, np; then let leave it for those two
00:11            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting --
comps.xml for EPEL -- ?
00:11 <    dgilmore> | i want to talk with the CentOS guys  as they had
some issue with us pointing at them
00:11 <    dgilmore> | we need to setup a comps.xml file for us
00:11 <     stahnma> | I will volunteer to help with comps.xml,but I am
noob at it
00:11 <    dgilmore> | knurd: ill get one started
00:11 <       nirik> | oh? bummer... it would be good to get it into
mock sooner rather than later tho.
00:12              * | rdieter goes to lurk in the rablle seats...
00:12 <    dgilmore> | nirik: yeah  it was breifly mentioned to me
00:12 <       knurd> | dgilmore, thx; I suppose it might be the easiest
to just use the fe-6 one as a base?
00:12 <         f13> | well.
00:12 <    dgilmore> | knurd: that was my plan
00:12 <         f13> | you may want to look at the comps used for CentOS
00:12 <         f13> | for the base groupings
00:13 <         f13> | then yeah, other comps files for the package content
00:13              * | knurd is no comps expert
00:13 <    dgilmore> | f13: ill look at what they did
00:13 <       knurd> | dgilmore, thx
00:13              * | knurd moves on
00:14            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting --
bodhi/testing repo/final repo layout -- nirik/lmacken
00:14 <       knurd> | does anyone know if anything happends in this area?
00:14 <       knurd> | this area or koji for EPEL?
00:14 <       nirik> | well, it would be good to move epel to koji, then
it can use bodhi.
00:14 <    dgilmore> | knurd: for it to happen when need to move to koji
00:15 <    dgilmore> | for that to happen i have some technical koji
issues to resolve
00:15 <       knurd> | someone wanted to look into it
00:15 <       nirik> | yeah, like the rhel binary issue.
00:15 <       knurd> | mbrown?
00:15 <       knurd> | or what was the nick?
00:15 <    dgilmore> | nirik: :) yeah
00:15 <    dgilmore> | knurd: we cant dod it
00:15 <    dgilmore> | do
00:15 <       knurd> | dgilmore, yeah, I hear aboutthat in the last meeting
00:16 <       nirik> | so, alternately perhaps we can get bodhi to talk
to plague-server...
00:16 <    dgilmore> | knurd: we have to be able to make koji hide the
RHEL binaries so that they are not made publicly avaliable
00:16 <       nirik> | lmacken: what is the possiblility of that if you
are around?
00:16 <     lmacken> | nirik: hi
00:16              * | lmacken reads backlog
00:16 <       knurd> | dgilmore, as I said, someone wanted to make this work
00:16 <    dgilmore> | nirik: some major recoding
00:16 <     stahnma> | I thouht lmacken said talking to Plague was possible
00:16 <       knurd> | dgilmore, it was discussed in the last meeting
two weeks ago iirc
00:16 <    dgilmore> | i missed that
00:16 <     lmacken> | ah, I think so.. mmcgrath said he had something
up his sleeve for talking with plague
00:16 <     lmacken> | iirc
00:16 <       knurd> | dgilmore, np, happens, that why I tell you :)
00:17 <       knurd> | well, can somebody take this task on his plate
and coordinate the different efforts and tasks?
00:17 <       nirik> | yeah, so if it's easy/doable/possible to have
bodhi talk to plague, that would be the better short term way to go.
Otherwise we have to wait for koji. ;(
00:17 <    dgilmore> | knurd: im going to be looking at koji for setting
up secondary archs  so i wont have time to do it
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00:18 <     lmacken> | well...
00:18 <     lmacken> | after last week, bodhi is heavily tied into koji/mash
00:18 <    dgilmore> | lmacken: thats what i thought
00:18 <     lmacken> | i removed most of the old push-style code
00:18              * | nirik suspected, but thought asking couldn't hurt.
00:18 <    dgilmore> | it would take some major rewriting to make it
work with plague now
00:19 <     lmacken> | mashing the repos and then trying to squeeze
stuff into it (other than updateinfo), would be a serious pain.
00:19 <     lmacken> | dgilmore: yeah
00:19 <       knurd> | not worth the effort I'd say
00:19 <       nirik> | ok, so we need to try and move koji forward. Who
would be the one to deal with that? mbonnet ?
00:19 <     lmacken> | koji is the way to go
00:19 <       knurd> | so let's target koji for EPEL first
00:19 <       knurd> | and then bodhi
00:19 <    dgilmore> | nirik: i imagine its a low priority thing for mbonnet
00:19 <    dgilmore> | though i have discussed it with him
00:20 <       nirik> | yeah.
00:20 <       knurd> | can somebody ask mbonnet for a status update
00:20 <       knurd> | then we can evaluate how to move on
00:20 <    dgilmore> | what we need is to be able to mark builds as
private  so they dont show up anywhere
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00:20 <    dgilmore> | its a fairly major undertaking
00:20              * | mmcgrath wonders if we'll get backlash for that.
00:21 <    mmcgrath> | its not very open of us.
00:21 <       nirik> | so should we consider building with centos then?
00:21 <     stahnma> | I certainly don't like it
00:21 <       knurd> | nirik, then we can't build for ppc
00:21 <    dgilmore> | mmcgrath: its also useful for Security embargoed
builds
00:21 <       knurd> | dgilmore, +1
00:21 <      Jeff_S> | dgilmore: don't we want all EPEL builds public,
but only have the RH base+Updates private?
00:21 <    mmcgrath> | dgilmore: ahh, thats true.
00:21 <    dgilmore> | Jeff_S: yes thats what we need to do
00:21 <    dgilmore> | EPEL will be free and open
00:21 <     stahnma> | ++
00:21 <       knurd> | +1
00:22 <    dgilmore> | We cant make the RHEL binaries free and publicly
available
00:22 <      Jeff_S> | dgilmore: sorry I misunderstood you before :)  OK
00:22 <       knurd> | dgilmore, can you talk to mbonnet about his short
term plans and report the findings?
00:22 <    dgilmore> | so its a nice feature for the buildsys  but its
very invasive
00:22 <       knurd> | that would be the next step for now
00:23 <       knurd> | he said two weeks ago that it wouldn't be that
hard to realize
00:23 <    dgilmore> | knurd: last i talked with him it was not even on
the radar to be done
00:23 <    dgilmore> | i will follow up with him
00:23 <       knurd> | dgilmore, many thx
00:23              * | knurd will move on
00:24            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting --
vacant seat in the steering committee
00:24 <       knurd> | I suppose we still want to solve the repotags
stuff first?
00:24 <       nirik> | has anyone expressed interest in the seat?
00:24 <     stahnma> | I dunno, has anyone spoken up?
00:25 <      Jeff_S> | I wrote knurd to let him know I was interested
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00:25 <       knurd> | well, there was some confusion; we have two
volunteers, but one stepped back for now until the repotags issue is solved
00:25 <       knurd> | and well, Jeff_S is the other one ;-)
00:25 <       knurd> | let's solve the repotags issue first (over the
next week), and solve this afterwards
00:26 <       knurd> | Jeff_S, that okay for you?
00:26 <      Jeff_S> | knurd: sure
00:26            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting --
finish the wiki docs and remove the warnings -- quaid
00:26 <       knurd> | skipping, quaid not around
00:26            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting --
template for requesting a contributer to get
00:26 <       knurd> | their packages into EPEL
00:26            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting --
template for requesting a contributer to get their packages into EPEL
00:26 <       knurd> | stahnma, sorry, I did not look at this
00:27 <       knurd> | but I think it's a good idea
00:27 <     stahnma> | it's ok
00:27 <       knurd> | shall we discuss it on the list in the next days?
00:27 <     stahnma> | I just drafted something up
00:27 <     stahnma> | sure
00:27 <       knurd> | stahnma, k, thx
00:27 <     stahnma> | I think a couple portions could be clearer
00:27            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting --
free discussions
00:27 <     stahnma> | plz review
00:27            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Meeting --
free discussion
00:27 <       knurd> | stahnma, will do!
00:27 <       knurd> | so, anything else to discuss?
00:27 <     stahnma> | I saw that some packages were announced as built
00:28 <     stahnma> | but didn't show up in a repo
00:28 <     stahnma> | like trac
00:28 <     stahnma> | is that normal?
00:28 <       nirik> | which repo were you checking? might not have
mirrored out yet?
00:28 <       knurd> | it takes an hour until packagers hit the public
servers
00:28 <       knurd> | did you look right after the report was send?
00:28 <     stahnma> | maybe I was too amitious
00:28 <     stahnma> | not sure
00:29 <     stahnma> | if I do yum list available today, I still don't
see trac
00:29 <       nirik> | Odd. I see it on my mirror at least.
00:29 <         f13> | Trac was built days ago
00:30 <       knurd> | I can see it on d.f.o
00:30 <     stahnma> | hmm
00:30 <     stahnma> | maybe my yum data is hosed
00:30 <       knurd> |
http://redhat.download.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/5/i386/trac-0.10.3.1-2.el5.noarch.rpm
00:30 <     stahnma> | yeah, that's it
00:30 <     stahnma> | :(
00:30 <     stahnma> | sorry
00:30 <       knurd> | np, things happen :)
00:30 <       knurd> | anything else?
00:31 <     stahnma> | nope
00:31              * | nirik has nothing.
00:31              * | knurd will close the meeting in n
00:31              * | knurd will close the meeting in 30
00:32              * | knurd will close the meeting in 10
00:32 <       knurd> | -- MARK -- Meeting end
00:32            --- | knurd has changed the topic to:
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