Some EPEL thoughts (was Re: perl-Net-Telnet both in EPEL and RHEL)
Stephen John Smoogen
smooge at gmail.com
Sat Aug 9 22:52:43 UTC 2008
On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Michael Stahnke <mastahnke at gmail.com> wrote:
> Could we add this to the next steering committee meeting? Here are the issues:
>
I am running a 102 fever but can't sleep so I hope this is lucid. The
next scheduled meeting is the 18th at some time UTC my brain is not
parsing.
> 1. "Layered" products, such as cluster server, ship some support
> packages like perl modules, etc. Should those be allowed in EPEL?
> They are not part of core RHEL. IMHO, as much software as possible
> should be available for everybody. At my place of employment, if I
> need a package and it's not in EPEL, I then have to build/maintain my
> own, which is what EPEL hopes to stop. I could see the EPEL committee
> denying some 'core' packages of each layered channel, (such as RHDS
> core packages, cluster server core packages for RHEL 4, etc).
>
I would prefer to see it in EPEL in some form. The issue is how we
structure it and keep it working. [Well Joe needs perl-foo-baz-1.1 and
Bill needs perl-foo-baz-1.8.. ]
> 2. Even competing with layered products seems bad. If we would like
> RHX to have the same packages as in EPEL but be able to buy support
> for them, shouldn't RH do the same? That way the software is
> available to those who would like to preview it, use it with CentOS,
> Scientific, etc. I realize this contradictory to what EPEL started
> with, but our goal should be software to everybody, at least that's
> what I think.
>
I agree but I think we are going to need to change to meet this... how
we do this will be where we need to talk with the community and get
some ideas.
> 3. What about products such as Free IPA vs IPA, Fedora DS vs RHDS,
> Spacewalk vs Satellite etc? If there is a fully open offering, can we
> put it in EPEL and not officially be 'conflicting' with the RH channel
> for it?
I think that if its in Fedora, and does not conflict/update it can go
into EPEL so OpenJDK, FreeIPA, FedoraDS, Spacewalk, could meet that
criteria.
> 4. Firmware packages that are on the supplemental EL discs. To me,
> this is just to make some hardware work, shouldn't that be easily
> available? As an enterprise customer, it'd be a lot easier to have it
> in EPEL (which I am going to use anyway) than to have to
> download/import the supplemental disc.
>
This gets harder.. what is the distribution license on the firmware
packages? Even if its meant to make some hardware work.. I know this
will cause all kinds of "why can't we hack it.. its not free and cant
be in Fedora stuff." And I think that will fall under the if its not
in fedora its not in EPEL.
> I am sure there are more questions and conflicts, and I don't want to
> stomp on Red Hat, but I would like to make EPEL as usable and complete
> as possible.
> PS I won't be the EPEL meeting Monday.
I had it marked for the 18th. Is Monday not working for people?
>
> stahnma
>
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