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Log from this weeks (20080116) EPEL SIG Meeting



Reminder: Next meeting on 20080130 at 18:00 UTC

Summary will be part of this weeks report (as always)

00:00:21              * | nirik looks around for a epel meeting. 
00:00:34 <       knurd> | Hi everybody; who's around for the EPEL meeting?
00:00:34              * | knurd likes to remind everyone that the schedule for todays meeting as well as a list of all open tasks can be found on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Schedule 
00:00:34            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Sig meeting -- Meeting rules at http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/Schedule/MeetingGuidelines -- Init process
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00:00:48              * | nirik is here. 
00:00:52 <      Jeff_S> | hi
00:00:52            --> | ldimaggi__ is Len DiMaggio
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00:01:08 <       knurd> | mmcgrath a few minutes in epel said: mmcgrath likely won't be that present.  Is working in the DS today juggling hardware around.
00:02:16 <       knurd> | seems it's only us three
00:02:25 <       knurd> | so let's start slowly
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00:02:34            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | next testing -> stable move | knurd | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/NextTestingStableMove
00:02:49 <       knurd> | I prepared it in the past two days, but I'm not fisnihed yet
00:03:03 <       knurd> | nirik, please don#t push EPEL4 over the next few days
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00:03:06 <       nirik> | ok, thanks knurd. Let me know if you need assistance with it.
00:03:18 <       knurd> | it's not that much work, there was just not that muich time
00:03:18 <       nirik> | ok, sounds good. 5 is ok to push tho?
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00:03:30 <       nirik> | yeah, I know that feeling.
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00:03:40 <       knurd> | nirik, yes, 5 is fine
00:03:55              * | knurd moves on
00:03:56            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | EL-updates to the buildsys | mmcgrath | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/Misc
00:04:03 <       knurd> | that seems finished
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00:04:30 <       knurd> | skvidal just a few minutes ago said in #fedora-devel:  it's syncing rhel down for rhel5 and 4 for i386, x86_64 and ppc[64]
00:04:58 <       nirik> | yep. very good.
00:05:08 <       knurd> | so we can close this; I'll mention it in this weeks report and might send an additional mail
00:05:16            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | KojiAndBodhiForEpel | mmcgrath | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/KojiAndBodhiForEpel
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00:05:48 <         f13> | I reviewed an initial patch for koji for this.
00:05:48 <       knurd> | _blah_ looked into it; so there is a bit of progress 
00:06:00 <         f13> | good start, missing some key things, feedback given.
00:06:06 <       nirik> | yeah, encouraging... ;)
00:06:11 <       knurd> | thx f13 
00:06:12 <      _blah_> | f13: your feedback was good
00:06:28 <      _blah_> | f13: i'll try to work something up soon time permitting
00:06:30 <       knurd> | seems more and more people don't want to deal with plague and koji, thus they ignore epel :-/
00:06:42 <       knurd> | thx _blah_ 
00:07:09 <      _blah_> | f13: are there other key things missing besides the db configuration?
00:07:12 <       nirik> | yeah, not sure why really... koji is nice, and bodhi would be very nice to have, but plague works.
00:07:22 <       knurd> | nirik, agreed
00:07:26 <       knurd> | anyway, let's move on
00:07:28 <      _blah_> | nirik: +1
00:07:30            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | permission to use spec files in other projects | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/Misc
00:07:39 <       knurd> | that seems to be solved finally thx to spot 
00:07:48            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | broken dep reports go to the list | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/Misc
00:07:50 <         f13> | _blah_: well, I'm not really sure, we'd have to spin up an instance with that running and see what else is missing.
00:08:02 <       knurd> | does anybody know if the EPEL dep checker script still works?
00:08:10 <       knurd> | is it in cvs somewhere? dgilmore?
00:08:23 <      Jeff_S> | we may have to wait to hear from mmcgrath on that
00:08:36 <      Jeff_S> | he was the one running it IIRC
00:08:46 <       nirik> | sounded like mschwent was willing to modify the extras one...
00:08:53 <      _blah_> | f13: i'm running that patch now.  it builds rpms.  the only trade off seems to be that going back and looking at buildroots later is a waste because the upstream rpms aren't available to be looked at.
00:09:05              * | quaid is sort of here, btw
00:09:31 <       knurd> | then let's try to further discuss and solve this on the list
00:09:42            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | Free discussion around EPEL -- FUDCOn and EPEL?
00:09:53 <       knurd> | nirik, quaid: FUDCOn and EPEL? was EPEL discussed?
00:09:58 <       knurd> | is there anything we should know?
00:10:03 <       nirik> | there was some...
00:10:20 <       nirik> | I meant to do a EPEL session, but forgot when sessions were being pitched... (asleep)
00:10:45 <         f13> | I talked to the zenoss guy there, whom I've talked with before.  He wasn't actually aware of EPEL and will be directing his folks to get ZenOSS packages ready for EPEL
00:11:09 <       nirik> | I was thinking we should do a monthly or so email to the fedora-devel list asking people to consider branching for epel... I think many of the new maintainers aren't aware it exists...
00:11:22 <       quaid> | yeah, we had a few discussion,s but it wasn't a big topic
00:11:32 <       quaid> | nirik: +1
00:11:35 <   daMaestro> | f13, thank gawd
00:11:43 <       knurd> | nirik, maybe we should mail the contrinuters directly that don't have a signle EPEL pacakge
00:12:00 <       quaid> | oh, I think the Zimbra guy there got a good earful of EPEL from someone
00:12:09 <       nirik> | knurd: perhaps, but some of them might have reasons... ie, none of their packages will work, etc.
00:12:27 <       knurd> | nirik, direct mails afaics work better then mailing some list
00:12:49 <       nirik> | perhaps. We could try both. ;)
00:12:52 <      Jeff_S> | hmm, if I were a fedora maintainer not interested in EPEL, I wouldn't want to be getting emails bugging me about it
00:13:04 <      Jeff_S> | but emails to the -devel list or some such I think are fine
00:13:13 <       knurd> | Jeff_S, we have a page where we track people that don#t want to get such mails
00:13:27 <       knurd> | Jeff_S, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/ContributorStatusNo
00:13:46 <      Jeff_S> | knurd: if you respect that and don't email the people which have said 'no', then I feel a little better about it
00:14:13 <       knurd> | with all the wishlist email processing I respected it ;)
00:14:18 <      Jeff_S> | cool
00:14:39 <       knurd> | maybe we should have a team of people that people can contact if they need help
00:15:07 <       knurd> | for mailtainers that say "I don#t run EL distributiosn, but I can maintain my packages there if someone test them now and then"
00:15:14 <       knurd> | s/mailtainers/maintainers/
00:15:28              * | knurd spots a lot more typos
00:15:56 <       nirik> | sure, I would think anyone listed in the sig page would be happy to help.
00:16:02 <       nirik> | I know I would.
00:16:19 <       nirik> | also, note that it's easy to run a centos guest for testing using kvm/xen.
00:16:36 <       knurd> | nirik, agreed
00:16:50 <       knurd> | but doing that is likely to much work for some people already
00:17:09 <       knurd> | and about " I would think anyone listed in the sig page would be happy to help " -> maybe we should write that down somewhere
00:17:15 <       knurd> | can't hurt
00:17:45 <       nirik> | yeah, might stick that on the front of the sig page?
00:18:12 <       knurd> | yeah; and maybe mention it in the reports now and then
00:18:52 <       knurd> | so let's move on now;
00:18:55 <       knurd> | Anybody willing to file bugs for the remaining broken deps (the
00:19:10            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | Free discussion around EPEL -- broken deps
00:19:36 <       knurd> | anyone willing to file bugs for those broke deps that are around for more than just a few days?
00:19:52 <       nirik> | I can do it at some point... might not be right away tho.
00:19:58 <         f13> | don't bother filing one on koji, known that it will be broken until 5.1 releases
00:20:05 <         f13> | (although with fastrack enabled it's fixed)
00:21:01 <      Jeff_S> | 5.1?
00:21:09 <       knurd> | nirik, that would be helpful; afaics mschwendt mailed owners with his last report; I suppose that will help a bit as well
00:21:25 <       nirik> | ok, I can do that in the next few days or so...
00:21:37 <       knurd> | nirik, sounds good; thx
00:21:44            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | Free discussion around EPEL
00:21:47 <       knurd> | anything else?
00:22:12 <       nirik> | note that there are 26 open epel bugs... most of them are the broken deps stuff... a few others tho
00:23:15              * | nirik has nothing else really.
00:23:18 <       knurd> | nirik, are any of them crucial? do we as EPEL SIG need to poke people? or are those bugs not that bad?
00:23:51 <       knurd> | nirik, btw, what's the clamav status? spot updated it some weeks ago afaics; so who takes care of it in EPEL now?
00:24:14 <       nirik> | well, there are 3 marked 'high' priority, but thats not really meaningfull.
00:24:26 <       nirik> | silug has agreed to maintain the fedora clamav in epel.
00:24:29 <   daMaestro> | if the issue is broken deps, are we mailing current maintainers asking if they want to branch for epel? and if not if they would be willing to allow the maintainer of the software requiring the dep to manage it?
00:24:37 <   daMaestro> | example: jigdo for epel5 :-/
00:25:27 <         f13> | Jeff_S: oops, 5.2
00:25:33 <       nirik> | for anyone wanting to look, go to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/frontpage.cgi and then scroll down to Fedora EPEL and you can see the buglist.
00:25:40 <      Jeff_S> | f13: ok, that makes more sense :)
00:25:49 <       knurd> | daMaestro, we mail maintainers if the stuff gets added to the wishlist in the wiki
00:25:58 <   daMaestro> | ah, ok
00:26:36 <       knurd> | daMaestro, your other question should be answered by http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/GuidelinesAndPolicies#head-00c9e731bb7bc5bb78caf8d124da3a329400fcd8
00:27:27 <       knurd> | k, anything else?
00:27:45 <       knurd> | f13, we some weeks ago discussed the z-stream stuff on the list
00:28:05 <       knurd> | I think you asked me to bring that up in a meeting
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00:28:20 <         f13> | I may have, it's fuzzy to me
00:28:36 <       knurd> | f13, so we just forget about it for now?
00:28:44 <         f13> | sure why not.
00:29:06 <       knurd> | I'm sure it will come up sooner or later again on its own
00:29:20              * | knurd will close the meeting in 30
00:30:10              * | knurd will close the meeting in 10
00:30:20 <       knurd> | -- MARK -- Meeting end
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00:30:24 <       knurd> | thx everyone
00:30:33 <      Jeff_S> | ty knurd
00:31:00 <       nirik> | thanks knurd


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