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Log from todays (20080130) EPEL SIG Meeting



Reminder: Next meeting on 20080213 at 18:00 UTC in 
#fedora-meeting

Summary will be part of this weeks report (as always)

00:00:59 <       knurd> | Hi everybody; who's around for the EPEL meeting?
00:00:59              * | knurd likes to remind everyone that the schedule for todays meeting as well as a list of all open tasks can be found on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Schedule 
00:00:59            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Sig meeting -- Meeting rules at http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/Schedule/MeetingGuidelines -- Init process
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00:01:03 <       knurd> | all mine
00:01:21 <       knurd> | thx bugzappers
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00:01:37              * | nirik is still here. 
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00:02:36 <       knurd> | anybody seen mmcgrath? he seems rather busy in the past days afaics
00:02:42 <       knurd> | or is he on vacation?
00:03:07 <       nirik> | he's around... just busy I think.
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00:03:28              * | knurd wonders where smooge went
00:03:59 <       knurd> | well, let's start really slow
00:04:14 <       knurd> | nirik, do you know if/where the EPEL dep checker script runs?
00:04:31 <       knurd> | mmcgrath or dgilmore installed one months ago
00:04:39 <       nirik> | no idea. There is one mschwent had, but also one mmcgrath had setup...
00:04:39 <       knurd> | but the one from mschwendt looks way better
00:05:10 <       knurd> | nirik, did mschwendt install it as a cron job somewhere?
00:05:18 <      smooge> | potty break
00:05:18 <       knurd> | I thought he just kicked it manually
00:05:24 <       nirik> | no idea. I haven't seen it run...
00:05:28 <       nirik> | I can mail him and ask.
00:06:18 <       knurd> | nirik, feel free to mail him, but I'd prefer to know first if there is a script running somewhere alreday :/
00:06:20 <      smooge> | the one that mmcgrath installed I think was broken and I was trying to get some time to fix it.. which only came up now ;(. So mschwents is better
00:06:47 <       knurd> | smooge, do you have access to the machined wher the old script ran?
00:07:01 <       knurd> | or shall we just ask mschwendt to install his somewhere?
00:07:20 <       knurd> | he likely has permissions to do so
00:07:52 <      smooge> | no I don't mmcgrath sent out an email a while back
00:08:02 <      smooge> | with the script in it.
00:08:20 <       nirik> | http://mschwendt.fedorapeople.org/extras-repoclosure-modified-20080115.tgz is mschewnts script
00:09:26 <       knurd> | so, how to move on? ask mschwendt to install is? nirik, or do you want to handle that? you likely have the needed permissions as well
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00:10:11 <      smooge> | mdomsch, has permission to. he can do anything :)
00:10:17 <       nirik> | sure, I can ask him if we can just run it on the buildsys box, or what.
00:10:27 <       knurd> | nirik, k, thx
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00:10:40            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | next testing -> stable move | knurd | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/NextTestingStableMove
00:10:50 <       knurd> | is prepared; docs were imrpoved as well
00:11:06 <       knurd> | the whole preparation can be done in about 10 or 15 minutes
00:11:15 <       knurd> | maybe even less with a quick machine
00:11:31 <       knurd> | any questions? otherwise I'll quickly move on
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00:11:50            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | KojiAndBodhiForEpel | mmcgrath | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/KojiAndBodhiForEpel
00:12:00 <       nirik> | sounds good to me.
00:12:01 <       knurd> | no mmcgrath, no Jeff_S thus likely no news
00:12:08            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | broken dep reports go to the list  | mmcgrath ? | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/Misc
00:12:16 <       knurd> | discussed already, thus skipping this
00:12:23            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | fill the steering committee  | all | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/Misc
00:12:46 <       knurd> | smooge, +1 for you becoming a steering committee member
00:13:08 <       nirik> | +1 here.
00:13:19 <       knurd> | but I think we need to have more +1 from at least 3 or four other steering committee members
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00:13:32              * | stahnma arrives
00:13:35              * | quaid is here too
00:13:38 <       knurd> | thus I suppose we need to wait another week or two before it becomes official
00:13:40 <       knurd> | ohh
00:13:45 <       knurd> | okay, htere are two more
00:13:53 <       knurd> | hi quaid, hi stahnma 
00:14:06 <     stahnma> | g'day
00:14:20 <       knurd> | quaid, smooge, nirik and I just say "smooge, +1 for smooge becoming a steering committee member"
00:14:23            --- | choke is now known as c_hoke
00:14:23              * | smooge waits to see if he is cool enough to sit with at the big kids table
00:14:26 <       quaid> | smooge for steering committee?  +1
00:14:26 <     stahnma> | +1
00:14:35 <       knurd> | k, it's official now
00:14:39              * | quaid is a little kid in a booster chair
00:14:43 <       knurd> | welcome to the stering committee smooge 
00:14:44 <     stahnma> | welcome to the big kids table
00:15:00 <       knurd> | k, that makes seven again
00:15:06 <       knurd> | I mentioned it on the list already
00:15:15 <       knurd> | someone else wants to leave sooner or later
00:15:20              * | knurd is that someone else
00:15:38 <       knurd> | I can stay around and help, but I'd like to get a more free time for RPM Fusion
00:15:49 <       knurd> | and some fresh ideas for EPEL would help as well
00:15:59            --- | stickster_afk is now known as stickster
00:16:13 <       knurd> | thus I'd suggest we elect a new chairmen over the next two weeks/in the next meeting
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00:16:23 <       quaid> | I wonder if any of the RHTers who deal with RHX would be interested
00:16:31 <       knurd> | any volunteers for that job?
00:16:46 <       knurd> | quaid, I haven't seen much from them yet
00:16:56              * | mmcgrath is here now, sorry
00:16:58              * | quaid cannot do it but thinks any of the current and new member dude would be good
00:16:58            --- | c_hoke_ is now known as c_hoke
00:16:59 <       knurd> | there was only the zenoss discussions, but that just faded out
00:17:00              * | stahnma doesn't know if he has the time available....
00:17:13 <       quaid> | knurd: that is part of the idea, maybe if they were more involved as leaders ...
00:17:15 <       knurd> | nirik do you want to do it?
00:17:26 <       quaid> | pile on nirik!
00:17:38 <       knurd> | quaid, as I mentioned on the list: we can make the steering committee even bigger if we want to
00:17:44 <       knurd> | and if it's good for EPEL
00:17:48 <       nirik> | ha. I would do it if no one else wanted the job... ;) If someone did that would be fine with me too... I am also low on time.
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00:18:12 <     stahnma> | that's how I feel, and can only make meetings occassionally as they are in the middle of $DAYJOB
00:18:12 <       knurd> | seven people in hte steering committe IMHO is a goal and not a hard number/must
00:18:30 <       knurd> | stahnma, with me out of the mix you guys could find a better time
00:18:38 <       knurd> | as then everyone is based in the US
00:18:42 <       knurd> | afaics
00:19:00 <     stahnma> | I though Jeff_S was in Europe somewhere...
00:19:05 <       quaid> | true that
00:19:07 <       knurd> | he is?
00:19:13 <       quaid> | Portland, OR I thought
00:19:23              * | stahnma could be confused, or maybe he was travelling when I asked 
00:19:28 <       quaid> | sheltren?
00:19:33              * | smooge deals with 20 phone calls at once... 
00:19:39 <      smooge> | thanks everyone for the support
00:19:52 <       knurd> | have fun with the phone
00:20:05 <       knurd> | smooge, or would you me interested in the chairmen's job?
00:20:10 <      smooge> | I am interested
00:20:29 <      smooge> | my platform is free beer and penguin mints
00:20:58 <       knurd> | so, that makes smooge ("I am interested") and nirik ("I would do it if no one else wanted the job...[...] I am also low on time.")
00:21:03 <       knurd> | afaics
00:21:21 <       knurd> | I'd say we continue to discuss this on the list over the next few days
00:21:25 <       nirik> | perhaps throw that to the list and see if anyone else is interested, and we can vote/dicuss next meeting?
00:21:27 <      smooge> | okie dokie
00:21:30 <       knurd> | and then find a solution in the next meeting?
00:21:32 <     stahnma> | +
00:21:57 <       knurd> | k, seems we are all in agreement here
00:22:06 <       knurd> | I'll annouce it on the list then
00:22:18 <       knurd> | anything else regarding this topic?
00:22:32 <       knurd> | any other self nominations for EPEL steeting committee members?
00:23:19              * | knurd takes that as "no" and "no" and moves on
00:23:26            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | broken dep reports go to the list  | mmcgrath ? | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/Misc
00:23:29 <       knurd> | mmcgrath, still around?
00:23:42 <    mmcgrath> | yeah
00:23:47 <       knurd> | is "the broken deps report" script stil lrunning for EPEL?
00:23:51 <       nirik> | knurd: I mailed mschewnt asking about setting his script up on the buildsys box
00:23:52              * | mdomsch is late I see
00:23:56 <    mmcgrath> | AFAIK it is.  let me look.
00:23:57 <     mdomsch> | what did I get volunteered for?
00:24:46 <       knurd> | mdomsch, nothing yet; but if you want to become a EPEL steering committee member feel free to self nominate
00:24:49 <    mmcgrath> | knurd: hrm, looks like the cron job got removed.
00:24:50 <      smooge> | mdomsch, installing the script onto the buildsys box :).. but I was joking
00:25:04 <    mmcgrath> | I'll need to figure out what happened to it but will make sure its running.
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00:25:15 <       knurd> | mmcgrath, don't invest any work
00:25:27 <       knurd> | mmcgrath, afaics the script from mschwendt is way better
00:25:33 <       knurd> | mmcgrath, I#d say we switch to his one
00:25:50 <       knurd> | mmcgrath, mschwendt might even have permissions to set it up on that box
00:25:56 <       knurd> | and his script mails the list
00:26:08 <       knurd> | something the old script didn't do
00:26:14 <    mmcgrath> | knurd: that totally works for me, mschwendt rocks.
00:26:36 <    mmcgrath> | hopefully his script doesn't take an hour to run either :-/
00:26:57 <       knurd> | mmcgrath, k; then we are all up2date then; nirik will talk to mschwendt about it
00:27:03 <       knurd> | (or did already ;-) )
00:27:15            --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | Free discussion around EPEL
00:27:18 <       nirik> | well, sent email in any case.
00:27:20 <       knurd> | anything else?
00:27:35 <      smooge> | ok how are we doing for packages etc?
00:27:46 <      smooge> | how many are still in waiting to be branched etc? and wish list?
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00:28:12 <     stahnma> | smooge: that sounds like good metrics to have
00:28:18 <       knurd> | smooge, we have 1000 srpms now in epel5 + epel5 testing and come close to 2000 rpms
00:28:39 <      smooge> | is that src.rpms or combined x.rpms and src.rpms?
00:28:44 <       knurd> | waiting to be branched -> there are about 5500 package in fedora rawhide iirc
00:28:59 <       knurd> | about 1600 srpms in rhel5
00:29:03 <      smooge> | hmmm I counted 4500 src.rpms in fedora rawhide earlier this week
00:29:15              * | nirik should poke ixs and silug again... there are some perl packages I need before I can branch munin... 
00:29:32 <       knurd> | smooge, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/PackageStatus says: 
00:29:33 <       knurd> |  - 5634 packages
00:29:34 <       knurd> |  - 9260 binary rpms in devel
00:29:52 <       knurd> | but I'm not sure how that's counted 
00:30:11 <       knurd> | my hope for the long term future for EPEL was: continue as we do
00:30:14 <       nirik> | I see 5299 src.rpms in devel right now
00:30:31 <       knurd> | and when RHEL6 ships poke Fedora maintainers and build lots of stuff for EPEL
00:30:47 <      smooge> | ah I was looking at 8/Everthings/SRPMS directory
00:31:10 <       knurd> | smooge, then you missed new pacakges that entered Fedora since F8 was shipped
00:31:19 <       knurd> | as those are in the updates repo only
00:31:26 <      smooge> | yeah.. 5299 is what I see too.
00:32:40 <      smooge> | Ok one thing I would like to look at doing is getting a discussion going on when we move packages from testing to stable. I would like to work on a regular schedule for it so that 'customers' would know that Black Tuesday was coming up or something
00:32:40 <       knurd> | some of them make not much sense for EPEL
00:32:46 <       knurd> | hunspell-dicts for example
00:33:21 <       knurd> | smooge, the dates are: mid months around the 15th for EPEL4 and early each months around the 1st for EPEL5
00:33:29 <      smooge> | duh
00:33:35 <      smooge> | I am way behind on stuff
00:33:50 <       knurd> | tha's quite new; we settled on that one or two meetings ago
00:33:51 <      smooge> | ok need to go over the wiki to catch up with stuff.
00:34:15 <       knurd> | smooge, np, keeping track of everything in Fedora-land is hard
00:35:02 <       knurd> | anything else?
00:35:12 <      smooge> | no thats about it.
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00:35:37              * | knurd will close the meeting in 30
00:35:43 <      smooge> | I think I will go over the EPEL pages and see what needs to be updated
00:35:46 <      smooge> | Oh one second
00:35:49 <      smooge> | mirrors
00:36:17              * | knurd waits
00:36:24 <      smooge> | I think once we are pushing things regularly and getting more packages.. it would be a good idea to start recruuitiong more mirrors
00:36:34 <      smooge> | s/once/now/
00:36:53 <       nirik> | sure, always good... how many do we have now?
00:36:54 <      smooge> | how does this usually happen (and am I going over something that is already said?)
00:36:56              * | nirik goes to look. 
00:37:00 <       knurd> | http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/EPEL/
00:37:15 <       knurd> | there are a few, but more can't hurt
00:37:24 <       knurd> | I'm not on the mirror-list
00:37:29 <       knurd> | anyone else?
00:38:10 <       knurd> | asking on that closed list might be the best start for more mirrors
00:38:19 <      smooge> | I think I have a couple of things at the back of my mind. I will try to get them out for the next meeting
00:39:12 <       knurd> | smooge, thx; in case of questions with the mirror stuff contact mdomsch; he maintains the stuff on http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org and he should be on the mirror-admins-list
00:39:17 <      smooge> | Hmm I need to get john branched. Will go finish up my fedora project activation stuff and work on that
00:39:54 <      smooge> | knurd, actually I am also on the list :). They forgot to take me off when I left RH :)
00:40:01 <       knurd> | hehe :)
00:40:09 <       knurd> | anything else?
00:40:12              * | knurd will close the meeting in 30
00:40:41              * | knurd will close the meeting in 10
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