June stable push ?

[Michael DeHaan]

Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> Hi!
>
> On 09.06.2009 21:44, Xavier Bachelot wrote:
>   
>> Is anyone taking care of the stable push for June ?
>>     
>
> FWIW, there IIRC wasn't even one in May either iirc.
>
>   
>> I guess Thorsten is probably busy with other stuff,
>>     
>
> Yes, sorry, I was really busy with lot of RPM Fusion stuff and real
> life; EPEL moved off by radar so I forgot about it.
>
> In fact I feared exactly that and that was the reason why I months ago
> (is it even more then a year now? not sure, can't remember) tried to get
> away from EPEL nearly completely (¹), which was running quite fine back
> then.
>
> But the latter not the case anymore. Sure, packagers are still doing a
> whole lot of good work, but leadership/steering is afaics nearly not
> existent at all, which IMHO is a dangerous situation for a project like
> EPEL (especially as RHEL6 is not that far away anymore and we need to be
> prepared for that).
>
> Some examples: No weekly reports for months (which were a requirement
> from FESCo when the EPEL Steering Committee was formed and thus should
> still be written!), nearly no meetings and the steering committee
> obviously doesn't even care if testing -> stable move get done. Hey, not
> even one of the steering committee members actually answered your mail
> in the past few days which IMHO tells us everything already.
>
> Or IOW: what exactly did the steering committee do over the past six
> months? Nearly nothing I'd say. Dglimore (maybe one or two others from
> the Steering Committee; not sure,) did some work for koji and bodhi for
> EPEL, but that's nearly all afaics.
>
>
> IMHO it's time for the steering committee to say "Sorry, we screwed up,
> we all step down; the last thing we do it to make sure a new steering
> committee is formed somehow"
>
>
>   
>> but is anyone else able to take care of that ? 
>>     
>
> Anyone can prepare one:
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/NextTestingStableMove
>
> But I did it a few times already, so I can prepare another one quite easily.
>
>   
>> iirc, there are some perms issue.
>>     
>
> That is still the case afaics. Only dglimore can actually do the push
> and testing->stable moves.
>
> CU
> knurd
>
> (¹) Yes, I did prepare a few stable pushes over the past few months to
> help out, but I mentioned a few times already that I didn't really want
> to do them anymore; looking back at it I should have made it more clear
> to prevent the current situation; sorry for that;
>
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I would see if we could get EPEL more part of Fedora-proper.   It is 
/rather/ important and critical to let pushes not be regular.

I have asked folks to use EPEL-testing for some time, and that keeps 
working, but since Fedora infra and the build system is rather
rock solid, I think pushing things to use the same systems (i.e. the 
update system) and such are the way to go as that would also encourage
more people to package for and use EPEL (hopefully).

It's crazy odd to ask folks to use "testing" to get packages that are 
recent, and the Fedora build and update system Fedora has would eliminate
this problem altogether (especially if kicked from the same place).

--Michael