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Re: Thoughts from last meeting



On 28 May 2012 20:16, inode0 <inode0 gmail com> wrote:
> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Toshio Kuratomi <a badger gmail com> wrote:
>> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 04:45:39PM -0500, inode0 wrote:
>>> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Kevin Fenzi <kevin scrye com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Anyhow, thoughts? concerns?
>>>
>>> As an EPEL consumer I find this all rather confusing. I don't want to
>>> have to know which layered products are protected and which aren't. I
>>> think I'd rather live with a simpler uniform policy regarding layered
>>> products.
>>>
>> As a non-administrator of RHEL I find it confusing too.  I don't know what
>> fee structure and other non-repository divisions occur between base RHEL and
>> layered products and whether they are the same for all layered products or
>> only some.
>
> The nature of layered products is changing as RHEL is offered as more
> of an a la carte product now. While EPEL including something like
> puppet isn't such a big concern to me as it is a small component of a
> larger offering from Red Hat, EPEL providing piranha + ipvsadm which
> comprise the Load Balancer Add-On is a much bigger concern to me. I
> don't really think EPEL should put Red Hat in the position of having
> to ask for it to be removed. So unless we know that including such
> things is fine with Red Hat in advance I think we should exclude them
> as EPEL providing complete "layered products" or "Red Hat Enterprise
> Linux Add-Ons" seems like crossing a line we shouldn't cross to me.

Well then the only way I can see to meet your point would be to stop EPEL.

There are very very few packages left after the conflicting packages
and their requirements are pulled. You can't include any of the other
configuration management tools because they also use pulled in
libraries (augeus and such). Anything with Perl dependencies are
pulled from other items in the layered products. And since many of the
items that would be left are supported by maintainers whose main
packages would be pulled.. I doubt they would want to support those
eithers. It quickly becomes a cascade of pulls to the point where it
is not worth keeping going.



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