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Re: New Icon Set...[echo]...
- From: Diana Fong <dfong redhat com>
- To: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." <fedora-art-list redhat com>
- Subject: Re: New Icon Set...[echo]...
- Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:09:07 -0400
I believe there might be a few things confusing the matter...hopefully
this will help to clear it up a bit.
[Bluecurve, Tango, Echo...etc]
For those that like Bluecurve, don't fear it will still be included in
our next releases. However, this should not stop us from trying to
creating a new icon set. Perhaps Echo might not be THE icon set ... but
maybe by exploring this together we can come up with something better
than it's starting point. By opening its development early on, it is
hoped that through the input of various people, the new set could
somehow be better.
By saying that you just don't like it...is valid but perhaps by creating
a few examples with modifications, the rest of us can follow your
example to creating something better. If you say further that it's just
not an improvement over the others and efforts should not be spent on
this...perhaps you could suggest better alternatives...even if you've
got a great idea in a completely different look, it would also be
great...and this start would have been all worth it...for echo to serve
as a starting point to something more usable. At this point no icon set
is without faults, echo is an icon project intended at creating, what I
had hoped to be a better style, but more importantly to really develop
an icon theme that is from the collaboration of the community. If small
sized icons are what's dear to you, please do help with the creation of
them. By getting involved, you can influence the direction of things
rather than ...perhaps feeling a bit antagonized by what other people
create and throw at you. If you believe it is beyond help
then...well...there are other icon sets, not everyone has to use the
same one. However, I have seen some useful suggestions even in the many
emails this weekend and ask that perhaps you can think of it as it's own
project. Bluecurve, Tango and others aside, how can we improve echo.
Some people's overall dislike of the set was a bit confused with the
issue of it looking bad in smaller sizes. My question is, therefore, at
it's current size...do you like it? At this point...I'm looking for
feedback on the look and feel of the icons. The angle, the colors, the
shadow. Previous messages of the shadow being a bit too dark was useful
as well as someone's current mention of the "grave cross" "add" icon.
With the shadow, this icon set is no longer a simple copy and paste of
icons into a square, accommodations have to be made for the shadow, and
therefore, with different shapes, icons such as the "pause" might seem
larger than the "skip forward" and whatnot it's placed next to. But
these are exactly the kinds of consideration that are useful when
Each smaller sizes will have to be either cleaned up at the .png or the
vector stage to make it more readable. Currently, smaller sizes have
not been created. Help is greatly appreciated in this area. The
package created by Leon was a quick test of the icons and should not be
criticized. Even with this package, we learn that the icons cannot
simply be scaled down, work has to be put in to clean up the smaller
versions...but maybe we can see which icons did work by simply shrinking
and thus lessen the amount of work. At the smaller size I do realize
that the current perspective will cause trouble and thus the suggestion
for them to be head on and definitely simplified.
Something I found interesting/useful was the small icon
discussion...when does the icon start to break down? I had originally
thought of only the 16x16 as requiring the simplified version and was on
the fence for 24x24...but from the feedback, it seems that the icons
need to be simplified even before that size. So, instead of saying that
it's just horrible and unusable at smaller sizes, if we can figure out
at what point the icons need to be fixed, then that would be
constructive. I know in the Leon's package, there included 22 and 24 in
addition to 48...and the 22 was probably horrendous...but there's also
32 and 36 versions that are used as well...how do those look?
I've also posted some of the early icons in the fc5 screen setting
...those are actually cleaned up smaller icons. Is that _still_
bad...or maybe better? A few pixels cleaned here and there can really
make a difference. =)
[svg file size]
Yes, they are large...horribly so. Nicu's example of slimming it down
is awesome and I really hope someone could perhaps run through them. I
wish my original wasn't so large to begin with but at this point I am
trying to create as many as possible to provide for better coverage and
to also get to the smaller icons in time for release. Maybe it's
wishful thinking...I dunno, but must be hopeful. Attached is an example
from Andy Fitzsimon...when he first saw my svgs he laughed at the
ridiculous sizes...but instead of criticizing them...he went ahead and
showed what could actually able to get it down to 1.9k! If you want to
check it out...fyi. it came with the warning of...
"Warning: it uses an svg filter for the drop shadow ( gnome's librsvg
displays this fine but Inkscape will only display it on our next release )"
So while he might not be interested in populating yet another icon set,
he is interested in optimizing svg files...and that's awesome. It does
make me hopeful to see this and really contributes to the evolution of
the icon set. But this is what I mean...with the feedback and talents
of various people the set can evolve into something more.
There is, of course, always personal preference so while it might be
better for some, it might not be for others.
We all have different needs and are entitled to our opinions...let's
just try to focus and make what we write here useful to this project.
Sorry about the long email, was just trying to address the many points
brought up over the weekend.
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