include much needed antivirus products in FC2

Michael Schwendt ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de
Tue Jan 6 17:58:38 UTC 2004


On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 15:48:08 +0100 (CET), Thomas Munck Steenholdt wrote:

> Now that I have heard som much good about the quality about the packages
> at fedora.us, i decided to try to yum the packages for clamav onto my
> test system... Let me just say that those packages are certainly not of
> a quality that can even begin to compare against what we're used to from
> the core packages... A core package can safely be assumed to install
> cleanly.

The clamav packages do install cleanly.

> It will have it's init scripts added to the chkconfig setup,
> provide a decent default configuration file that can be modified slightly
> to fit the users needs and if the package includes a daemon it can then
> be started with a "service foo_service start" command.
> 
> Neither is the case with the clamav packages from fedora.us. First of all
> a number of manual customizations has to be made in order to start the
> daemon... including installing the default conf file, adding init scripts
> and a lot of other things...

You have misunderstood the necessary set-up procedure completely.
Included is a README with the necessary steps plus a couple of config file
templates which are pre-configured except for a few lines which you must
uncomment/modify yourself according to the instructions.

Please read some of the explanations in the package request ticket
here: https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=268

> This is not how things should work, and that was the feeling I had of the
> non-core distros, when I suggested to include an antivirus package in the
> core distribution.
> 
> I'm not afraid to do stuff on my own, but having to do so post-install
> customization just to get stuff started really kinda defeat the purpose of
> rpm and all our repository tools like yum and apt. It's nice that we can
> quickly install a needed package - but if we need to spend half an hour
> configuring the blasted thing before it will even start,

It certainly doesn't take half an hour.

> we might just
> as well have downloaded the tarball and compiled the stuff from scratch.
> for a comparison (for those of you trying to install clamav from fedora.us)
> check out the package made by Petr Kristof
> http://crash.fce.vutbr.cz/crash-hat/1/clamav/ those are packages so much
> nicer that the fedora.us ones.

I'm not the packager of the clamav packages, but I have participated in
the reviews. That someone else's package can be started right after
installation -- even as a single daemon -- does not mean that it is
"better" or "nicer" or more flexible or anything like that. It just suits
your requirements more because you refuse to adjust configuration files.

> If package-quality is going to be like this for the extras, I don't think
> that extras will be very successful or even useful.

See below.

> As a note, please notice that the clamav packages are te only ones I've
> tried from fedora.us, and I'm in no way trying to insult the many skilled
> developers maintaining packages on fedora.us.

With the previous paragraph you did exactly that. Please pick some other
packages -- maybe a normal application or a game. These don't require
security relevant adjustments or editing config files.

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