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Re: Java for FC3 (was: Re: Java status for FC4?)



Okay - so Jpackage is not a self-contained JRE - it is an organisation
sanely packing up JRE's from others, such as Sun?

Would that mean that Sun JRE (or some other?) will be shipped with FC3?

I agree with you that sun's java packages are bad. That is why i let Dag
Wieers make a good rpm for me ;) Thanks!

But then i have only used java for mozilla plugin...

fre, 12.11.2004 kl. 03.41 skrev Avi Alkalay:
> The work from JPackage is something that adds A LOT of value to the
> Java-on-Linux world.
> Before them, Java was a piece of junk that I had to throw someplace
> under /usr/local (aaaargh) or /opt (yuc, arrrrrgh !!!) and define
> manually one thousand envars.
> 
> JPackage provides an infrastructure to receive JVMs and Java
> components and apps in a very organized way. Obviously all RPMs. (was
> there any system organization before the invention of RPM? do you
> folks remember Slack(argh)ware? they are still doing tar.gz!!)
> 
> I can't live without JPackage.
> 
> I just don't like their .nosrc.rpms, because of licensing issues.....
> But this will change soon, now that Sun solved their legal problems
> with Microsoft. Yes, I'm saying we are close to have an open source
> JVM. From Sun or IBM. Or both.
> 
> I'm happy RHEL embraced JPackage packaging standards.
> 
> Thank you Nicolas, and JPackage team.
> 
> Regards,
> Avi
> 
> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:13:16 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot
> <nicolas mailhot laposte net> wrote:
> > Le jeudi 11 novembre 2004 à 15:09 -0500, Amitabha Roy a écrit :
> > > Maybe someone can explain to a complete novice like me what the issue is.
> > >
> > > How does being integrated with  jpackage help ?
> > >
> > > Why is Sun's java not good enough ?
> > 
> > Sun packages were (and probably still are, didn't look at them for a
> > long time) little more than a single-root tar-like system. To help
> > system integration, upgrades we've repackaged most of the big linux jvms
> > on the market.
> > 
> > Little things like consistent namings (including package naming;),
> > locations, virtual provides, etc enable JPackage users to switch JVMs
> > relatively easily without reconfiguring their whole java system. The
> > files themselves are extracted from the binary tar drops most vendors
> > provide, since we don't have access to sources (for people that really
> > want the original Sun packages we've also got a package that simulates a
> > jpp rpm by adding symlinks all over the place).
> > 
> > A human can work around all the changes between one vendor package and
> > another but you really can't build a large package base over stuff that
> > is changing all the time. The main JVM repackaging aim is to provide a
> > stable base other Java packages can then use.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > --
> > Nicolas Mailhot


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