Yet again: several missing update announcements

[Michael Tiemann]

Daniel,

The talk Eric Raymond gave at FUDCon 1 included information about a pet
project of his called "shipper" which is addressed at automating all of
steps 1..5.  I have no idea if the script will work for you, but its
existence shows that You Are Not Alone.

M

On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 17:18 -0400, Daniel Veillard wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 07:02:45PM +0200, Bernd Bartmann wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > yet again several updates have appeared for FC3/4 on the download
> > mirrors, but some of them were never announced on
> > fedora-announce-list. Even more confusing is that "Fedora Weekly News
> > Issue #1" lists some of the missing announcements but not all. As FC4
> > is out now I've also created a bugzilla tracking bug for the missing
> > announcements.  So here is the list of what's currently missing:
> 
> > gamin-0.1.1-1.FC4, released 2005-06-14, #161113
> [...]
> > Can we please get this problem fixed once and for all if not for the
> > older FC released but at least starting with FC4?
> 
>   Currently as a maintainer, pushing a fedora update I need
> 
>     step 1/ to build the update in the appropriate channel
>     step 2/ label it with an unique number
>     step 3/ ask and wait for it to be pushed
>     step 4/ once pushed use a very unconvenient script to
>             generate the boilerplate for the announcement
>     step 5/ mail the announcement
> 
>  1/ 2/ and 3/ are under my control, I do them in batch, then there
> is an asynchronous mechanism, and then after "some" time I need to do
> the messy 4/ and 5/ steps. 
> 
> Concusion:
>   Being a lazy computer guy (remember it's a virtue) once 3/ is done
>   I tend to think I have done my part, the bits are out, and I don't
>   feel compelled at all to go to 4/ and 5/
>   Moreover, getting bug reports about missing announcement just generate
>   frustration, I don't like pushing updates as a result, and if you 
>   were among the ones who waited 3 months for a gamin official update 
>   on FC3 between 0.0.25 and 0.1.1 you know why now, I just hate pushing
>   updates but the srpms are available on my home page.
> 
> 
>   Now if you want the reason why gamin-0.1.1 was pushed:
>     - on FC3 it fixes the zillion bugs present and found in 0.0.25
>     - on FC4 it fixes the desktop update on dynamically mounted
>       USB media 
> 
>   Writing this mail is way less painful than sending the real announcements.
> If I hadn't the Damocles sword of those missing update bug reports, I would
> probably push bug fixes faster. Whether I must be whipped for being lazy,
> or the tool for pushing announcement need to be changed or missing announcement
> should not be considered bugs, there is a choice, the current situation
> does not seems pleasant to you, it's not really for me either.
> 
> Daniel
> 
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