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Re: Enabling Compiz by default?



2007/8/10, Dave Airlie <airlied redhat com>:
> On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 01:46 +0200, Rudolf Kastl wrote:
> > 2007/8/10, Dave Airlie <airlied redhat com>:
> > > On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 19:05 -0400, Bernardo Innocenti wrote:
> > > > On 08/09/2007 06:18 PM, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Compiz is too buggy to use - its still hopelessly broken with java menus
> > > > > and you'd want to use one of the actually maintained compositing managers
> > > > > instead.
> > > >
> > > > Which ones?
> > > >
> > > > Ubuntu Gutsy will have Compiz fusion by default.  And they're fixing
> > > > bugs to reach this goal.  We could benefit from their work, or
> > > > reinvent the wheel by going a different route.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Ubuntu aren't doing any work on fixing the technical problems with
> > > compiz, if they turn it on on gutsy it'll be on nvidia binary drivers
> > > only. Otherwise  things like 3D apps and movie playing will get
> > > seriously screwed..
> > >
> > > They are benefiting a lot more from the work Red Hat are doing than we
> > > will ever benefit from them.
> > >
> > > Dave.
> > >
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> >
> > Well personally i am all for pushing compiz fusion as fast as
> > possible. Actually i have todays git checkout running on rawhide and
> > it wfm.
> >
> > What would certainly help is a list of issues and a goalsetting what
> > really has to be achieved to be able to enable it as default without
> > having too much breakage.
> >
> > A working noveau driver that does aiglx fine and the r500 driver
> > imported into rawhide (and push it towards reliability with aiglx)
> > would for sure a neat first step in achieving the goal that it works
> > for most users out there.
> >
>
> The work krh and I have been doing on the X/DRI layers to enable 3D
> redirection and also the work I've been doing with cworth to make EXA
> fast are possible two of the major bodies of work required to get a
> composited desktop useable - note I didn't even say compiz, just to make
> any compositing manager work properly with 3D and screen resizing.
>
> tbh nouveau and r500 aren't really even on the radar as far as we are
> concerned yet, Intel is the only manufacturer to have given us enough
> info to actually fix the problems we are encountering, so Intel hw will
> get the stuff going first from our pov.. I think we might do radeon
> second as I should have enough info to get a decent system going, but
> r500 doesn't even have dri yet so getting aiglx is a bit of a big step..
> and nouveau hasn't gotten texturing yet so same issue.

i am well aware that the things i stated are somewhat "the goal at the
end of the long road" but it is certainly necassery in my eyes to do
proper goalsetting and choose whatever is considered "right" or
"enough" as goals.

getting the r500 into rawhide asap was meant as first step and a good
short term goal to achieve the long term goals quicker. thats why i
put brackets around the  (working aiglx) goal that is certainly a
target at some point but further down and closer to the end of the
road of course. same goes basically for nouveau.

kudos to you and kristian for your great work.

regards,
Rudolf Kastl
>
> Dave.
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