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Re: Slightly OT: bad rap for Fedora, and realistic effects



On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:17:36 -0500, Jesse Keating wrote:

> On Friday 23 February 2007 07:35, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> > * heavy use of Red Hat internal mailing-lists for Fedora related matters,
> 
> This is complete BS.

Disagree as much as you like, but please avoid the strong language.

> Maybe one or three messages a month pop up on internal 
> lists, and those are immediately redirected to external lists.

Repeatedly, there have been references to relevant topics on internal
lists, involving Fedora or Core. I've pointed out a few examples long
ago. With regard to the Fedora Merge, most recent is this one:

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-February/msg00577.html

Now, I guess somebody will deny that it's relevant discussion. Still, you
cannot deny that internal lists plus interal IRC plus additional forms of
internal communication don't do a community project any good when public
communication channels are criticised for their poor s/n ratio.

> > * more closed circles, in which decisions are made -- including mysteries
> > like brew, koji, and code transfer for the new Updates System,
> 
> These decisions were made at the Fedora summit, with the Fedora board and 
> other community folks, complete with an IRC channel during the live 
> discussions.  Further discussion has happened in Fedora board meetings and 
> public Fedora lists.

Which lists exactly?
 
> > * unclear role of FESCo, not enough steering -- instead: the drive
> > that "you don't need to be in FESCo to get something done",
> 
> I don't even know what you mean by this.

That's sad. But you're not listed as a FESCo member anyway.
Perhaps I should lose my hope that somebody else in FESCo still has
a clue what I refer to.


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