default partition scheme without /home - why ?

[Valent Turkovic]

Chris Snook wrote:
> Valent Turkovic wrote:
>> 2008/3/10 Jesse Keating <jkeating at redhat.com>:
>>> On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 13:34 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote:
>>>  > Is that on purpose and if it why?
>>>
>>>  Guessing how much space you'll need in your non /home partitions over
>>>  time is difficult.  Only you know how your install will be used.  
>>> That's
>>>  why the installer defaults to the easiest thing to guess;  How much 
>>> boot
>>>  space you'll need, and how much swap space.  However since you know how
>>>  your install is going to be used, you are best to make those 
>>> estimations
>>>  and setup your /home as you want it.
>>>
>>>  --
>>>  Jesse Keating
>>>  Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours?
>>
>> Fedora Live CD target audience are desktop users, right? I as a
>> desktop user haven't seen any need for / partiton over 8-10 GB.
>> Servers, and other fedora usages may need some other partition schemes
>> but a default home user has huge benefits from a dedicated /home
>> partition.
> 
> My ogg/mp3 collection is over 20 GB.  I generally use a 100 GB /home for 
> my multiboot workstation boxes.  For my test systems, I often carve out 
> root LVs that are just a few GB and use that for everything.  There's no 
> magic strategy that works for everyone, and putting everything on / 
> allows users to take full advantage of their disk space without having 
> to know how everything is carved up underneath.
> 
>> It is probable that new users aren't aware that /home partition as a
>> dedicated partition has advantages and it would be best if anaconda
>> makes the "smart" partition scheme in which /home is a separate
>> partition in LVM volume, or a logical partition. Separate home has
>> lots of advantages that you are aware of, so why not just change the
>> partition scheme to take advantage of that?
> 
> Users who don't understand the concept of separate /home partitions are 
> not going to be able to take advantage of these benefits.  For them, 
> creating a separate /home is just unneeded complexity, and it's 
> impossible for us to universally get right.
> 
> If you know what you're doing, override the defaults.  That's why we 
> have those options in the installer.
> 
> If you can come up with a formula that properly handles anything from 2 
> GB (You can buy a brand-new EeePC Surf with this) to 1 TB, and correctly 
> guesses how many OSes the user plans to multi-boot or virtualize, I'd be 
> glad to go with that, but I can pretty much guarantee that it will piss 
> off more people than the current default behavior, which cannot possibly 
> be wrong, even if it's not always ideal.
> 
> -- Chris
> 

Hi Chris,
have you read some other branches from this thread?
There are some great ideas from a couple of people that would work in 
solving much more that breaking stuff, and would be more time right that 
wrong.

Please re-read the whole thread and then lets continue this discussion 
because I don't see that me copy/pasting responses that others have 
already have given is the right way to continue this discussion.

Cheers,
Valent.