My roadmap for a better Fedora
Les Mikesell
lesmikesell at gmail.com
Sat Nov 22 18:28:54 UTC 2008
Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>>>>> Problem: We need more and wider testing. Why don't we get more testing?
>>>> .. because this work is not attractive. It's boring work without
>>>> proper credit in open source community.
>>> Right. Furthermore, testing implies finding bugs, discussing, struggling
>>> and arguing with package maintainers and upstreams. Not necessarily a
>>> way to make friends :)
>>>
>>> However, I think the primary cause in is Fedora's work-flow and Fedora's
>>> infrastructure. I find them not to be really helpful to such endeavors.
>> I do think Windows has improved a lot since they added the crash
>> reporter. OS X has one
>
> These are closed source OSes - They don't have any alternative but such
> "user participation programs" - OSS has alternatives.
Beg your pardon, but having the option (requirement?) to fix broken
stuff myself has never been all that appealing to me as an aspect of
open source. I look to it more for the benefits of re-using code that
is already well tested. Of course that doesn't work out all that well
in a project that keeps changing things...
>> - and I though Ubuntu included one too although
>> I haven't seen anything trip it.
> Gnome had one for many years (bug-buddy), ... I don't recall having seen
> it providing any substantial improvement to Gnome.
>
> Now the kernel also has one (kerneloops) ... We'll see if it will
> provide improvements.
How does that work? I'd think a dead kernel or one that doesn't boot
would have a hard time reporting it's problems.
> My expectations on such tools are very low. Many users switch them off
> and developers/maintainers tend to ignore them as noise.
If the developers ignore the information, then at least they should stop
blaming the lack of testers for the lingering bugs.
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Les Mikesell
lesmikesell at gmail.com
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