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Re: My first DontZap use case while testing F11 beta



On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 09:28 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 22:50 -0700, Christopher Stone wrote:
> >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Adam Williamson <awilliam redhat com> wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 06:20 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> Haha :) No, it's just that, as far as I can see, the impact on newbies
> >>>>> is that we tell them to reboot instead of doing ctrl-alt-backspace.
> >>>> You are presuming a newbie on a single seat/single user system.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Total cost: about twenty seconds (time to reboot vs. time to restart X).
> >>>> In a corporite environment, BIOS passwords or similar will prevent them
> >>>> from rebooting. A service tech/sys-admin will have to come by.
> >>> In a corporate environment the network will be managed by a sysadmin who
> >>> will easily be able to change the default.
> >> I like your logic.  It's easy to change defaults, so therefore it
> >> makes sense to have bad defaults.
> 
> ACK. Push around users by changing defaults which force them to 
> increasingly customize the distro.
> 
> => Usabiitly regression.
> 
> > You're putting words in my mouth. I have no particular opinion either
> > way. All I've ever said is that it isn't a big deal.
> Wrong, you are defending RH's decision not to revert this "ctl-alt-bs" 
> insanity, i.e. you have taken a position.
> 
> > Put it this way -
> > the time lost by the possible drawbacks of *either* approach is
> > extremely unlikely *ever* to add up to the amount of time and energy
> > smart people have wasted in the seventeen thousand threads about this.
> You @RH guys could easily have avoided these threads - It was solely 
> your decision to ignore the community.

No we ignored you and one other guy.

I'm sure every decision you make ever is for the good of the community,
just as the X.org developers believe this was for the good of the
community.

My only worry, is that nobody thought of the children.

Dave.



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