Re: Fedora 12 Features Proposed for Removal

[John Poelstra <poelstra redhat com>]

Adam Williamson said the following on 08/06/2009 12:49 PM Pacific Time:
> On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 13:39 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 12:34:26 -0700
> > Adam Williamson <awilliam redhat com> wrote:
> >
> > ...snip...
> >
> > > Sure, and I was always happy to write in GNOME and KDE versions as
> > > 'Features' when writing release blurbs for Mandriva. But that's just
> > > pure PR. PR is not all our feature process does - it comes with all
> > > this bureaucracy, intended for dealing with experimental stuff which
> > > may turn out to have been a bad idea, attached to it, it's _not_ a
> > > pure PR exercise. Which leads to the absurdity we have here, the
> > > suggestion that the GNOME 2.28 'feature' should be 'dropped' for
> > > Fedora 12 (does anyone really think we're going to ship it with GNOME
> > > 2.26?)
> > It wasn't a suggestion of that, it was our feature wrangler saying:
> > hey, check these features because they are not showing 100%. 
> >
> > Please see: 
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Policy
> >
> > Do we need to change some policy there?
>
> Er, the _topic_ of this thread is "Fedora 12 Features Proposed for
> Removal". The email doesn't say anything about 'if you fix this stuff
> before the meeting it'll be fine' (though that may be the actual case),
> and the amount of notice given is a princely two days, which isn't that
> long for anyone to make changes. The way things are worded are clearly
> "We're going to drop these features", not "please check this, okay?
> Please? Thanks!"

Fair point though one has to asks how many reminders and nags is 
necessary?  I wrongly assumed we had reached a point in this process 
where everyone was familiar with the definition of feature freeze and 
the requirements around it.  What I overlooked was that new people 
(which is an excellent thing!) have gotten involved in the process since 
our early growing pains.  The part I don't quite understand is 
complaints and protests of "I didn't know" from folks that have been 
involved since the beginning of the feature process.

I'm adding some extra dates to the schedule so that the nagging process 
is consistent for releases going forward.  Hopefully that will help.

John