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Re: FESCo Meeting Summary - 2009-03-06

2009/3/7 Kevin Kofler <kevin kofler chello at>
David Nielsen wrote:

> 2009/3/6 Bill Nottingham <notting redhat com>
>> * Banshee as default Media player -
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/BansheeAsDefaultMediaplayer
>> FESCo disapproved this feature, with 4 negative votes.
> I did not see this one the action list for this meeting, nor was I even
> invited to argue the case for this. I would at least have liked to know
> that my proposal was going on the chopping block before you discard it so
> I could see what to improve for a F12 proposal.

What apps are the default on a given spin is a decision which should really
be taken by the SIG maintaining the spin, in this case the GNOME/Desktop
SIG (i.e. essentially the RH Desktop Team).

Which is why Empathy has a feature page, the very reason I went this route. Suggest an improvement, then see what would be said and maybe.. just maybe have a meaningful technical debate on the merits of the proposal.
I'd be really pissed off if somebody tried to decide what apps the KDE spin
should ship by writing a feature page without ever discussing it with the
KDE SIG and sending it directly to FESCo, also completely ignoring live CD
size constraints (as you did).

I followed the feature proposal guide to the letter, additionalyl you are most welcome to go back and read. I never ignore the contraints of the live CD, it was always mentioned as a con, I even offered suggestions and the hours it needed to get them implemented. Hell when bugs where filed on issues, I and the other maintainer was on top of it and tried to get them resolved as quickly as possible. I might be many things but I am honest. I did this from a desire to improve Fedora.

I have instead gotten disrespectful personal mail, the only feedback I have gotten when asking the SIG in question was in the same tones you just used, from the maintainer (and source of aformentioned nasty mail) of the product I proposed to replace. My proposal page was defaced in a more unprofessional manner (same guy).

I tried to answer critics, I offered, and contacted upstream to ask them to help answer questions (to which they kindly agreed). when instead of a productive debate as was requested no such debate ever took place. Looking back at the IRC log I am left with a foul taste in my mouth, mentions of what RHEL supports and how it's not a bad thing to discriminate based on language.

I did this, out of the desire to make Fedora better. The sign on my door says Fedora volunteer. It does so for a reason. I am frankly disgusted by this whole affair, especially since my honesty and motives were brought into question.

I think FESCo made the right decision here.

And even if they did not, we abide by it. This is FEScos world, we just live in it.

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