F11: xorg decision to disable Ctrl-Alt-Backspace

psmith johnsmithdoe14 at googlemail.com
Sat Mar 28 23:24:04 UTC 2009


Yaakov Nemoy wrote:
> 2009/3/27 Gerry Reno <greno at verizon.net>:
>   
>> Adam Miller wrote:
>>
>> This change to default behavior of Ctrl-Alt-Backspace is an example of a
>> tiny minority of Emacs users lobbying xorg for a change that will affect a
>> huge number of community and commercial >users including datacenters and
>> their sys admins. This change needs to be reversed immediately.
>> Ctrl-Alt-Backspace is embedded now into many tools including all the
>> virtualization tools. It is >part of the DNA of every sys admin. To change
>> this behavior is just insanity.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Gerry
>>
>>
>> Please stop throwing around the "sys admins will freak out" card, I'm
>> a sys admin and we do things correctly through provisioning using
>> kickstarts. It will be maybe a 3 line edit to a script. It was an
>> upstream choice, Fedora has historically remained compliant with
>> upstream so I imagine if you would like a change to be made on this
>> topic it would be most effective to discuss it with upstream.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>>
>> I intend to discuss it with upstream.� But this is a huge change to default
>> behavior for X control that almost NO ONE knows about.� The default methods
>> of controlling the X server have been around for decades and many users and
>> sys admins automatically know what the default behavior is that can be
>> counted on in almost all situations and therefore this constitutes a big
>> change.� And big changes like this need to be advertised extensively instead
>> of just quietly slipped in.� I was hoping that Fedora might take the lead on
>> stopping this bad change.� And again, yes, I'll take this to upstream as
>> well.
>>     
>
> Solution, ask people to include it in the Release Notes, where it
> belongs, and let sysadmins act appropriately.  This is how things are
> done in Fedora.
>
> -Yaakov
>
>   
again i'll point out that fedora has always had packages that are 
different from upstream, why should this be any different?

phil




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