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Re: thunderbird upgrade - wtf?



On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:00:07AM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Jesse Keating wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 09:37 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
> > > On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Jesse Keating wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 09:27 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The problem isn't GLODA and smart folders, it's that we have no process in
> > > > > place to identify and deal with problems like this before it's too late.
> > > >
> > > > Aside from updates-testing you mean, where people can test potential
> > > > updates and give feedback as to how they work on their systems?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Fat lot of good it's doing.
> > >
> > > 	-Mike
> > >
> >
> > And that's a people problem more than a process problem.  If nobody
> > tests it in updates-testing, then how is the maintainer to know that it
> > is problematic?  Certainly not solvable with even more repos for testing
> > content...
> >
> 
> You let me know how three people in Fedora can miss a very subtle Firefox
> memory leak.  How many people would need to use updates testing before the
> thunderbird indexing problem is caught?  How long would it need to stay
> there?  In this case updates-testing theory just does not match reality.
> 
> The status quo is broken, doing nothing will keep it that way.

I think there are many things we can do within Bodhi & Fedora Community
to better facilitate testing updates.  For example, I think we should do
a better job of emphasizing the importance of certain updates in the
queue, especially security updates with little or no karma.

The karma system that I implemented in bodhi hasn't really changed much
over the years, and I think it's probably time to reassess some of the
default options (eg: +3 for marking as stable is probably way too low
for packages like the kernel and thunderbird).

Since there are actually a lot of people who provide feedback in bodhi
(presently 1448 different people have left comments in bodhi since F10),
we obviously are not doing a good enough job of leveraging them.

One way to improve our testing strategy would be to keep adding and
improving the test cases to the wiki:

    https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Test_Cases

We could then point people directly to the appropriate steps for testing
the application, from within bodhi, fedora community, etc...

luke


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