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Re: The future of "rawhide" (was [Fwd: Re: "What is the Fedora Project?"])



On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 14:18 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> 
> I have two particular nits with it. One, it's pretty unwieldy,
> especially for part time maintainers (thinking how many hoops we'll have
> to jump through just to keep our packages up to date). Having to jump
> through the Bodhi hoops every time we just want to put a trivial update
> into a release that won't be coming out for five months feels like a
> pain. 

Who said anything about 5 months.  3 months max, which is just slightly
longer than the amount of time they spend now doing Trac tickets to get
something in.

> I'd worry about a lot of stuff going stale and smelly in the
> middle of the Bodhi process somewhere as maintainers lose track of where
> the hell they're up to with the four releases they have to cope with
> (the last two already-released releases, the upcoming release, and
> "rawhide").

"rawhide" would never use bodhi.  If you build in devel/ it shows up in
rawhide the next day.  End of story.  Bodhi would only be used for the
pending and already done releases.

> 
> Two, it makes testing things a bit more complex. Those of us who like to
> test upcoming stuff in real use - i.e. on our main machines - will have
> to choose whether to test "rawhide", in which case we'll have more pain
> to deal with ourselves and won't be contributing as much to testing of
> the next stable release, or test the next stable release, in which case
> we aren't helping maintainers by making sure the stuff they're putting
> in "rawhide" isn't totally broken.

For people like you, you'd just keep jumping when we branch off the next
release.  Like it or not, this is happening /already/.  dist-f13 already
has 953 packages with updates, and it isn't published /anywhere/
for /anybody/ to test it.  We can only make that better, not worse.

> 
> But overall, the positives could certainly outweigh the negatives. Just
> thought I'd flag up the two major concerns I have in case anything could
> be done about them.
> 


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