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Re: DUG



Vladimir Kosovac wrote:
> Dan O'Brien wrote:
>   
>> Vladimir Kosovac wrote:
>>     
>>> Paul W. Frields wrote:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> On Sat, 2007-12-08 at 14:54 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote:
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>>> Does installing from a DVD automatically enable the DVD as a repo?  I
>>>>>> honestly don't know, since I haven't used a DVD to install in a very
>>>>>> long time.  The act of updating a system is one area I would say
>>>>>> deserves attention in the DUG and the AG.  That area of overlap, to me,
>>>>>> would be understandable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>> I would assume it does since on the fedoraforum there was a severe
>>>>> amount of complaints about having to put a cd/dvd.  
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>> Before documenting it, whoever is writing that section should definitely
>>>> confirm the behavior first.
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> I've tried two different installs - DVD and http, in both cases install
>>> source ends up on the list of pre-selected repositories. If DVD install
>>> is used and DVD not inserted post-install, pup and pirut fail until
>>> ''install media"" repo is de-selected.
>>>
>>> Vladimir
>>>   
>>>       
>> This didn't used to be the behavior of a fedora install, but (afaik) it
>> has been like this since F7.
>>
>> For things like this maybe it would be worth having a common problems
>> section in the DUG?
>> Most of us here have installed Linux, weather it be Fedora or another
>> Linux distribution, more
>> times than we can count. But the DUG is geared towards people that may
>> have never installed it,
>> and may not know how to disable a repo. In any event we really should
>> have a section to help people
>> solve these issues.
>>     
>>>>> The purpose of it is a feature since you can now upgrade the fedora version 
>>>>> using yum and a dvd which is a huge plus.  The problem arises is that the 
>>>>> cd/dvd repo itself is usually enabled by default after this. 
>>>>>
>>>>> An update fails because it can't find the cd/dvd repo since your cd/dvd 
>>>>> is not in the drive so it can't find it so the update fails.  
>>>>> That is possibly a bug however I'm not sure of the status of that bug or 
>>>>> even if it is considered a bug.
>>>>>
>>>>> The simplest method to fix it is disabling the repo and then voila 
>>>>> yum-updatesd works by default updating the software.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope thats clear because I personally have never experienced it 
>>>>> since I've always just used yum upgrade and edited the config files manually.
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>> It is clear, but editing the configuration files manually is not the
>>>> appropriate solution for the DUG.  Instead, the documentation should
>>>> indicate how the desktop user can use the Edit Repositories option in
>>>> pup and pirut.  Again, focus on ease of use and GUI desktop usage
>>>> wherever possible.
>>>>     
>>>>         
>> Using the situation above (the one Vladimir mentioned about needing the
>> install media) as an example,
>> pup and pirut won't start until you insert the install media, so you
>> can't use them to disable a repo. While I
>> do agree that the primary focus should be on using GUI tools to solve
>> problems, sometimes it is necessary
>> to use the CLI.
>>     
> This one is actually 'fixable' through GUI:
>
> Open Applications-->Add/Remove Software
>
> If the repo is not available, pirut will fail but will also present the
> dialogue box [1]. Click the ''Repository Manager'' button. This opens
> ''Repository Manager'' [2], where the repository can be enabled/disabled.
>
> I am not sure who will write this stuff and where is it supposed to be.
> Example [1] and [2] screenshots are here:
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/VladimirKosovac/RepoManager
>
> /!\ Note, [1] and [2] are not to be used for DUG - they don't look like
> defaults.
>
> Vladimir
>
>
>   
Maybe mine was a special case, (although it did happen on two separate
F8 installations)
no matter what I did, I could not get pup or pirut to work untilI
manually disabled the repo
by changing the enabled=1 to enabled=0 in
/etc/yum.repos.d/Fedora-install-media.repo.
>   
>>>>>>> You need to set up file-sharing which I would call desktop capability a
>>>>>>> server set up would be an administration part.  I'm not trying to be
>>>>>>> pedantic but maybe my definition of desktop to administrator is
>>>>>>> different.
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> Setting up file sharing in the DUG is using System -> Preferences ->
>>>>>> Network -> Personal File Sharing.  Anything beyond that is AG material.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>> Has anyone got that to work?  I've never actually got it to function
>>>>> properly.
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>> It works if the firewall is disabled.  This is not ideal, and I would
>>>> call this a bug unless both of us are doing something very wrong.  I
>>>> thought one of the points of ConsoleKit was to be able to punch a hole
>>>> in the firewall for personal files sharing.  In the meantime, I would
>>>> simply document the behavior indicating that the user should consult the
>>>> AG for firewall configuration info.
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>         
>> Maybe an introduction to using system-config-firewall isn't such a
>> stretch for the DUG. We
>> don't necessarily need to go into detail, but at least giving a quick
>> overview on how to do it
>> would be sufficient for most desktop users.
>>     
>>>>> I've got a lot of questions like this which is the essence of the
>>>>> original email.  Can we put together a list of what topics should be
>>>>> covered and to what limits each category should move to. Then we have a
>>>>> target to move towards?
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>> Unfortunately I don't have the cycles to do it, but you are welcome and
>>>> encouraged to start such a list, and float it to the mailing list for
>>>> discussion.  I think that's a very thoughtful process, and I'm sure
>>>> others will pitch in their ideas.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>   
>>>       
>
>   


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