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Re: Users and Groups



Karl Larsen wrote:
Vladimir Kosovac wrote:
Karl Larsen wrote:
Marc Wiriadisastra wrote:
On Sat, 2007-12-08 at 15:27 -0700, Karl Larsen wrote:
I got interested in writing some documentation for this Application
since there appears to not be any. Who is in charge of this task?

Karl

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I think that goes in the admin guide but I'm not to sure. I'm sorta
confusing the issue in myself of whats desktop use and whats admin use.

Cheers,

Marc

Hi Marc, if I have a choice I think this should be part of Desktop. I have been looking at the various Help tools and dislike those that go to
a web page. I like the way Gedit calls it's help from Desktop and would
like to see Users and Groups called the same way.

Karl, I'm afraid this would not be possible. This is a separate
application [`system-config-users`].

''Users and Groups'' is a GUI wrapper for the `system-config-users` and
is placed in the System-->Administration menu for a reason - it handles
"system administration" type task and requires root privileges.

It is covered here:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide/UserAccounts

DUG guidelines have been posted to the list not so long ago by John
Babich, DUG Lead Writer. Here is the relevant excerpt:
   I can't seem to unpack what DUG means.



########################################################################
As far as the boundary between the DUG and the Administration Guide
(AG), I agree with Paul that the GUI/non-GUI distinction has very
little relevance. We should always point to the GUI apps first, except
in those rare cases where GUI apps don't exist or don't provide the
required functionality.
In the case of making Users with Groups the current writing on the web is fine but the GUI part is shown late in the writing. This is not a problem if, when a user clicks Help it brings up just the part dealing with the GUI system.


And, my desire is to put the best possible Help up for a user that finds Users and Groups on their computer.

Last week I needed to make my login include the uucp Group so I can use the Serial Port Com1. I went to the GUI and could not do it. I had to use #usermod karl -a -G uucp
which worked fine but took 3 hours to find :-)

Later I stumbled onto Edit and found how to show all the users. This is what I needed.

Karl



I think the main distinction is the target audience. The DUG's
audience is the first-time or less-experienced user who wants to
perform common tasks like web-browsing, creating simple spreadsheets
and text documents. The AG's audience is the more-experienced person
who wants to manage a group of users with various access levels, or
set up and administer servers such as HTTP/FTP, IMAP/POP3,
authentication, proxy, DHCP, etc.
########################################################################

John, Paul, Karsten and the rest of doc writers,

I still maintain that the basic parts of a User Manager (Creating users
and groups) have their place in a DUG, though. Users new to Fedora may
also have a need to quickly create multiple accounts on the machine
without having to read the administration guide. Is this still for
discussion or the whole thing will be handled by the admin guide alone?

Cheers, Vladimir

Karl





   Here is a little writing to start a caution.


Recall that you just provided the Root password to get Users and Groups to come up. Now YOU are Root. A word of Caution. A simple error can ruin your computer! If you feel unsure of what your doing,read this Help and if your still not sure turn off Users and Groups.

Karl



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