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FDSCo Meeting 2008-02-20 IRC log



Feb 20 21:58:26 <quaid>	<meeting>
Feb 20 21:58:37 <quaid>	... cuz someone had to pull the trigger :D
Feb 20 21:59:06 <jmbuser>	Hello, everyone - just a second as I pull up
the agenda...
Feb 20 21:59:10 <EvilBob>	stickster (Paul Frields) is not able to join us today
Feb 20 21:59:44 <EvilBob>	quaid (Karsten Wade) is multitasking
Feb 20 21:59:58 <EvilBob>	I am Bob Jensen
Feb 20 22:00:12 <jmbuser>	John Babich
Feb 20 22:00:21 <quaid>	I am Fedora
Feb 20 22:00:23 <couf>	bpepple|lt: art Couvreur here
Feb 20 22:00:24 <jsmith>	Jared Smith (eating and typing at the same time)
Feb 20 22:00:26 <quaid>	uh, that is, Karsten
Feb 20 22:00:34 <couf>	ow that wasn't for you bpepple|lt
Feb 20 22:00:42 <jsmith>	quaid: You are Fedora and I can too?
Feb 20 22:01:03 <quaid>	kthx!
Feb 20 22:01:18 *	Southern_Gentlem
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Feb 20 22:01:50 <EvilBob>	Southern_Gentlem is Ben Williams, he is one
of my partners on the Install Guide
Feb 20 22:02:00 *	jmbuser is on a connection slightly better than dialup
Feb 20 22:02:05 <Sparks>	Eric
Feb 20 22:02:27 <quaid>	EvilBob: can you back up jmbuser to drive the
meeting if jmbuser drops and I appear distracted?
Feb 20 22:02:40 <EvilBob>	quaid: always
Feb 20 22:02:42 <quaid>	jmbuser: I think the previous agenda should suffice
Feb 20 22:03:00
<jmbuser>	http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings
is the link
Feb 20 22:03:14 <couf>	wiki slowness
Feb 20 22:03:49 <jmbuser>	please ignore my lousy time and date link
Feb 20 22:05:16 <EvilBob>	One Summary update
Feb 20 22:05:26 <EvilBob>	Who has this task?
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Feb 20 22:05:52 <quaid>	jonrob and I have been bouncing it a bit, i guess
Feb 20 22:06:03 <EvilBob>	quaid: any updates?
Feb 20 22:06:08 <quaid>	I think he and I got a good understanding last
time, and may have consensus :)
Feb 20 22:06:13 <quaid>	the misunderstanding, for the record,
Feb 20 22:06:26 <quaid>	was that folks thought the Single Summary is intended
Feb 20 22:06:29 <quaid>	to be read from top to bottom
Feb 20 22:06:41 <quaid>	rather, instead, it is meant to be a source
for other things that are themselves read alone
Feb 20 22:07:14 <quaid>	so we can have slightly duplicate information
for different audiences, all in the one SingleSUmmary
Feb 20 22:07:30 <EvilBob>	Sure
Feb 20 22:07:49 <quaid>	otherwise, we'll have to do more work there as
Beta approaches
Feb 20 22:07:57 <quaid>	we have that on the schedule?
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Feb 20 22:08:45 <EvilBob>	http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule
Feb 20 22:09:34 <EvilBob>	I do not see it on
http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-9/f-9-docs-details.html
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Feb 20 22:11:06 <EvilBob>	so we need to get that targeted and info
sent to poelcat
Feb 20 22:11:19 <EvilBob>	next items
Feb 20 22:11:35 <EvilBob>	Update on active content work
Feb 20 22:12:05 <jmbuser>	Relnotes one sheet - anyone?
Feb 20 22:12:15 <EvilBob>	any of the active documents have an update
Feb 20 22:12:19 *	wolfy (n=lonewolf fedora/wolfy) has left
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Feb 20 22:12:43 <jmbuser>	DUG has been quiet lately
Feb 20 22:13:24 <jmbuser>	I believe Crypto Guide had some activity recently
Feb 20 22:13:42 <Sparks>	A little
Feb 20 22:14:27 <jmbuser>	Sparks: Care to expand on that?
Feb 20 22:14:36 <Sparks>	I haven't had the time to spend on really
putting the information together...
Feb 20 22:14:51 <Sparks>	but some of the information is out there it
just needs to be pulled in...
Feb 20 22:15:20 <Sparks>	to the Crypto Guide.  i don't know how
indepth I really need to go for...
Feb 20 22:15:40 <Sparks>	the LUKS portion as it is fairly automated in
F9.  The procedure is...
Feb 20 22:15:53 <Sparks>	still there for users of F8.  EOF
Feb 20 22:16:14 <jmbuser>	Sparks: Thanks
Feb 20 22:16:22 *	jmtaylor
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Feb 20 22:16:34 <EvilBob>	I have a couple things for the IG, this week
we will be looking things over to figure out our time line for poelcat
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Feb 20 22:17:23 <EvilBob>	I need to get a couple F9Alpha installs done
so I am up to speed
Feb 20 22:17:29 <EvilBob>	EOF
Feb 20 22:17:39 <couf>	AG is as DUG pretty silent the last time
Feb 20 22:17:46 <jmbuser>	EvilBob: And thanks to you
Feb 20 22:17:49 <couf>	need to get that back up to speed and do the conversion
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Feb 20 22:18:40 <jmbuser>	couf: Is the AG pretty much complete?
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Feb 20 22:19:09 <quaid>	can anyone work with poelcat to get our
schedule updated?  we have tarets that are not integrated, etc.
Feb 20 22:19:24 <couf>	honestly I haven't got time to look at it lately
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Feb 20 22:19:57 <jmbuser>	Thanks, Couf - back to quaid's question
Feb 20 22:20:04 <couf>	so I'm feeling a slip coming, if we look at the
original schedule
Feb 20 22:20:20 <jmbuser>	or not...
Feb 20 22:20:53 <EvilBob>	quaid: I will see if I can get with poelcat
this weekend
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Feb 20 22:21:05 *	Southern_Gentlem has quit ("In a world without
walls, who needs Windows")
Feb 20 22:21:09 *	poelcat books flight to MN
Feb 20 22:21:24 <quaid>	yeah, it might all be there but it's not in
one place or ratified
Feb 20 22:21:33 <EvilBob>	poelcat: do I need to call the butcher and
clean the spare room?
Feb 20 22:22:34 *	Southern_Gentlem
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Feb 20 22:22:37 <EvilBob>	The wind chill was -45F this morning
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Feb 20 22:23:45 <quaid>	yeah, but at least it's not raining like in Portland!
Feb 20 22:23:48 <EvilBob>	Beats?
Feb 20 22:23:55 <jmbuser>	EvilBob: So you and poelcat will stave off
the cold by revising the schedule?
Feb 20 22:24:02 <quaid>	beats are too quiet
Feb 20 22:24:09 <EvilBob>	how is the Release notes coming?
Feb 20 22:24:14 <quaid>	we need to push on all the sub-projects we
know to start putting in their stuff
Feb 20 22:24:29 <jmbuser>	especially ConsoleKit/PolicyKit inclusion?
Feb 20 22:24:40 <quaid>	fortunately I think a lot of stuff is
happening in the Features that usually happens in the Beats
Feb 20 22:25:12 <jmbuser>	true
Feb 20 22:25:20 <EvilBob>	quaid: is that going to be enough?
Feb 20 22:26:45 <EvilBob>	OK next
Feb 20 22:27:02 <jmbuser>	Meeting Time settled or need more discussion?
Feb 20 22:27:05 <EvilBob>	I know quaid will answer when he has a chance
Feb 20 22:27:13 *	couf probably going to disappear in a few, freenode
server reboot
Feb 20 22:27:17 <EvilBob>	Meeting time
Feb 20 22:27:25 <stickster>	EvilBob: Installation Guide?
Feb 20 22:27:28 <EvilBob>	is this good for everyone?
Feb 20 22:27:41 <EvilBob>	stickster: yes?
Feb 20 22:27:57 <EvilBob>	stickster: I noted it above
Feb 20 22:28:04 <stickster>	Sorry, I looked back and missed it
Feb 20 22:28:22 <EvilBob>	stickster: It's OK
Feb 20 22:28:59 <jmbuser>	Concerning the meeting time - this works for me
Feb 20 22:29:04 <quaid>	EvilBob: probably not enough
Feb 20 22:29:38 <EvilBob>	the IG is going to take three phases, Update
existing content, Return/rewrite older dropped content, add new
features
Feb 20 22:29:57 <EvilBob>	at least that is what we see right now
Feb 20 22:30:36 <EvilBob>	quaid: OK I will look through and start
bugging people, will CC the list when I do so via email
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Feb 20 22:31:24 <EvilBob>	Meeting time is good
Feb 20 22:31:33 <EvilBob>	so Leadership!
Feb 20 22:31:44 <jmbuser>	Everyone agree on the meeting time?
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Feb 20 22:32:02 <jsmith>	Uh...
Feb 20 22:32:04 <EvilBob>	I think we do agree on the meeting time
Feb 20 22:32:10 <EvilBob>	jsmith??
Feb 20 22:32:17 <EvilBob>	you are the odd man out
Feb 20 22:32:24 <jsmith>	Making it Wednesday permanently?
Feb 20 22:32:28 <EvilBob>	jsmith: is this workable?
Feb 20 22:32:36 <couf>	fine for me
Feb 20 22:32:42 <jsmith>	Sure... and hour earlier would work better
for me, but if this works best for everyone else, I'll make it work
Feb 20 22:32:44 <EvilBob>	jsmith: nothing is perenent
Feb 20 22:32:46 <quaid>	ok2me
Feb 20 22:33:10 <EvilBob>	permanent
Feb 20 22:33:25 <jmbuser>	jsmith: Thanks for the flexibility.
Feb 20 22:33:25 <EvilBob>	but "for now"
Feb 20 22:33:28 <jsmith>	OK, sounds good
Feb 20 22:33:30 <jsmith>	+1
Feb 20 22:33:36 <jmbuser>	+1
Feb 20 22:33:40 <EvilBob>	+1
Feb 20 22:33:51 <couf>	+1
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Feb 20 22:34:06 <jsmith>	And since stickster is away, I'll put in his
vote as well ;-)
Feb 20 22:34:06 <EvilBob>	stickster is a +1
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Feb 20 22:34:21 <Southern_Gentlem>	stickster quaid VOTE
Feb 20 22:34:26 <EvilBob>	jsmith: back off, I am driving this train
Feb 20 22:34:33 <EvilBob>	LOL
Feb 20 22:34:38 <quaid>	'sides I already voted :)
Feb 20 22:34:41 <stickster>	+1
Feb 20 22:34:50 <jmbuser>	OK, so Time: 1900 Hrs UTC it is
Feb 20 22:35:02 <jmbuser>	Date: Wednesday
Feb 20 22:35:03 <quaid>	in that I made the proposal!
Feb 20 22:35:03 <stickster>	What was that issue again?
Feb 20 22:35:03 <stickster>	j/k
Feb 20 22:35:03 <quaid>	heh
Feb 20 22:35:03 <EvilBob>	We have all in
Feb 20 22:35:04 <jsmith>	It's anonymous! ;-)
Feb 20 22:35:07 *	DanseMakabre (i=pat bobo ds5 agh edu pl) has joined
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Feb 20 22:35:10 <quaid>	EvilBob: btw, I started an email to the list
about vice chairs and all that jazz, but never got in completed :)
Feb 20 22:35:11 <jsmith>	Or magnanimous... or something...
Feb 20 22:35:17 <quaid>	but I did want to get that into the agenda
Feb 20 22:35:45 <couf>	so Leadership then?
Feb 20 22:35:53 <jmbuser>	quaid: So you did
Feb 20 22:35:57 <EvilBob>	Since FUDcon and before we have been talking
about our leadership
Feb 20 22:36:31 <EvilBob>	it has been known that for some time now
quaid has expressed interest in getting replaced
Feb 20 22:36:54 <EvilBob>	We were going to railroad stickster in to
that job but he found another one
Feb 20 22:37:25 <EvilBob>	We have done a poor job of grooming leadership
Feb 20 22:37:42 <EvilBob>	we have focused on the few and left many behind
Feb 20 22:37:57 <quaid>	well, we've been focused on making a system to
write content
Feb 20 22:38:00 <quaid>	and teach ppl how to do that
Feb 20 22:38:09 <quaid>	which has been pretty successful itself
Feb 20 22:38:22 <EvilBob>	What i suggested to quaid was a Vice Chair
that is, a Chair in training
Feb 20 22:39:00 <quaid>	right, which forces the current Chair (me) to
get whatever down in the wiki that is missing and to train the VC to
do that in the future.
Feb 20 22:39:14 <EvilBob>	a 18month? term that would include 6months
of learning the ropes and 6months of teaching the next one
Feb 20 22:39:25 <quaid>	also, a VC gives a chance to split up active
leadership duties more, so more gets done
Feb 20 22:40:10 <EvilBob>	so with our next election we would be voting
in a Vice Chair
Feb 20 22:40:36 <EvilBob>	this Vice chair becomes the big deal after 6 months
Feb 20 22:40:37 <Sparks>	?
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Feb 20 22:40:51 <couf>	fair proposition
Feb 20 22:40:53 <EvilBob>	Sparks: Yes?
Feb 20 22:41:00 <Sparks>	When are elections and how is voting handled?
Feb 20 22:41:33 <EvilBob>	Sparks: FESCo picks it's leadership
Feb 20 22:41:53 <EvilBob>	Sparks: the group of 7 votes
Feb 20 22:42:02 <Sparks>	Ahhh... okay...
Feb 20 22:42:25 <jmbuser>	FAMSCo works the same way
Feb 20 22:42:25 <EvilBob>	Sparks: the membership picks FDSCo
Feb 20 22:42:33 <EvilBob>	FDSCo picks it;s leader
Feb 20 22:42:57 <Sparks>	That works.  Thanks
Feb 20 22:43:01 <EvilBob>	NP
Feb 20 22:43:37 <EvilBob>	I would like to ask jmbuser if he is
interested in becoming our next leader
Feb 20 22:44:01 <EvilBob>	or anyone else in FDSCo
Feb 20 22:44:18 <EvilBob>	was that to obvious?
Feb 20 22:44:20 <EvilBob>	lOL
Feb 20 22:44:27 *	Southern_Gentlem does a happy dance
Feb 20 22:44:38 <jmbuser>	Perhaps someone should propose and someone
second the motion
Feb 20 22:45:02 <quaid>	to be clearer
Feb 20 22:45:03 <EvilBob>	Well we do not want to actually railroad
anyone, are you willing?
Feb 20 22:45:30 <jmbuser>	If everybody else is OK with it, I'm willing
Feb 20 22:46:05 <EvilBob>	I would like to motion that we appoint
jmbuser our Vice Chair
Feb 20 22:46:28 <quaid>	Bob and I have been discussing all this in
asides, and also talking with John (jmbuser)
Feb 20 22:46:41 <quaid>	because he has been showing interest in leading more
Feb 20 22:46:48 <quaid>	but we haven't had asides with everyone here
Feb 20 22:46:54 <EvilBob>	right
Feb 20 22:46:55 <quaid>	so this is the first chance all of you are
hearing about it
Feb 20 22:47:03 <quaid>	and we might want to give a few days to think
about it all?
Feb 20 22:47:07 <quaid>	or not, which we can vote on
Feb 20 22:47:25 <EvilBob>	I would think that we would vote next week
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Feb 20 22:47:59 <EvilBob>	did we lose the server couf is on?
Feb 20 22:48:04 <jmbuser>	That works for me
Feb 20 22:48:07 <couf>	not yet, sorry
Feb 20 22:48:10 <EvilBob>	OK
Feb 20 22:48:11 <couf>	was distracted
Feb 20 22:48:36 <couf>	jmbuser++
Feb 20 22:48:46 <EvilBob>	OK we have a second
Feb 20 22:49:07 <EvilBob>	Do we want to vote this week or next?
Feb 20 22:49:18 <EvilBob>	I am fine with either
Feb 20 22:50:09 <quaid>	any objection
Feb 20 22:50:12 <couf>	yeah fine both ways too
Feb 20 22:50:13 <quaid>	to voting about it right now?
Feb 20 22:50:16 <Southern_Gentlem>	quaid, if you operate on roberts
rule of order say next week
Feb 20 22:50:22 <quaid>	stickster, jsmith ?
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Feb 20 22:50:33 <quaid>	Southern_Gentlem: eh, we're pretty informal there :)
Feb 20 22:50:49 <jsmith>	quaid: I'm OK...
Feb 20 22:50:54 <EvilBob>	We are almost out of time, lets address it
first thing next week
Feb 20 22:50:59 <quaid>	yeah
Feb 20 22:51:02 <jmbuser>	Agreed
Feb 20 22:51:02 <quaid>	we can then discuss it on list
Feb 20 22:51:03 <jsmith>	(Sorry, phone call)
Feb 20 22:51:07 <quaid>	make sure we aren't missing anything
Feb 20 22:51:15 <EvilBob>	that will let our people weigh in on the list also
Feb 20 22:51:21 <quaid>	I want people who are not in FDSCo to get the
implication
Feb 20 22:51:27 <quaid>	that there is room to be a leader here, etc.
Feb 20 22:51:31 <stickster>	List is fine although I remember seeing
this a while back in quaid's blog
Feb 20 22:51:35 <couf>	I'll try to get something from glezos this
weekend on this
Feb 20 22:51:36 <stickster>	jmbuser++ by the way
Feb 20 22:51:45 <quaid>	stickster: oh is that where I wrote about it? :)
Feb 20 22:51:47 <couf>	seeing him this weekend (fosdem)
Feb 20 22:51:53 <quaid>	fosdem++
Feb 20 22:51:54 <stickster>	I think you did
Feb 20 22:52:02 <EvilBob>	OK AOB?
Feb 20 22:52:02 <stickster>	it all kind of jams together after a while.
Feb 20 22:52:10 <stickster>	I write things down so I don't have to remember it.
Feb 20 22:52:16 <stickster>	I mean, HAHAHAHAHA
Feb 20 22:52:17 <quaid>	my only OB was to make sure we did a schedule
update and sanity check
Feb 20 22:52:31 <EvilBob>	quaid: I added that to my list
Feb 20 22:52:44 <jmbuser>	Publican familiarity, any thoughts?
Feb 20 22:53:07 <jmbuser>	jsmith: Have you ironed out the issues you had?
Feb 20 22:53:09 <EvilBob>	quaid: I will touch on that with poelcat,
you and stickster before the next meeting
Feb 20 22:54:14 <jsmith>	jmbuser: Yes, I've ironed them out
Feb 20 22:54:31 <jmbuser>	jsmith: impressions?
Feb 20 22:54:41 <jsmith>	I'd be happy to help people get up to speed
with Publican
Feb 20 22:54:44 <jsmith>	jmbuser: I love it
Feb 20 22:54:57 <jsmith>	jmbuser: I wasn't very familiar with the old
system, but publican is very nice
Feb 20 22:55:02 <couf>	EvilBob: add me to that list
Feb 20 22:55:06 <jsmith>	jmbuser: I'm sure we'll run into some snags
(translations, etc.)
Feb 20 22:55:15 <jsmith>	jmbuser: But it's got a "two thumbs up" from me
Feb 20 22:55:33 <EvilBob>	couf: yup
Feb 20 22:55:38 <couf>	danke
Feb 20 22:56:25 <jmbuser>	jsmith: That's good to hear - the "old
system" also works well and I think we need to stick to it for the F9
release
Feb 20 22:56:30 <couf>	motion to close?
Feb 20 22:56:47 <EvilBob>	seconded
Feb 20 22:56:59 <jmbuser>	Anything else - if not.. let's call it
Feb 20 22:57:15 <jsmith>	jmbuser: Yeah, I hear you there
Feb 20 22:57:23 <jmbuser>	5
Feb 20 22:57:34 <jmbuser>	4
Feb 20 22:57:40 <jmbuser>	3.5
Feb 20 22:57:43 <jmbuser>	3
Feb 20 22:57:48 <stickster>	eggs!
Feb 20 22:57:51 <jsmith>	3.14?
Feb 20 22:57:56 <jmbuser>	2
Feb 20 22:58:02 <jmbuser>	1
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Feb 20 22:58:22 <jmbuser>	It's end of meeting!
Feb 20 22:58:41 *	Sparks (n=sparks fedora/Sparks) has left #fedora-meeting
Feb 20 22:58:41 <stickster>	</meeting>


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