FDSCo Meeting 2008-06-04 IRC log

Wed Jun 4 23:08:25 UTC 2008

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15:02 -!- stickster changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Docs
meeting -- 4 June 2008, 1900 UTC
15:02  * couf here
15:03  * stickster here
15:04  * quaid is here
15:04 < quaid> distraction jackson
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15:05  * Sparks is here
15:06 < quaid> ok then
15:06  * Sparks just got home
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15:06  * stickster looks for his relnotes howto
15:07 < quaid> <meeting>
15:07 < quaid>
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting
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15:08 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo stuff --
Follow-up on leadership discussion
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-May/msg00126.html
15:08 < stickster> Holy moley, look at that wiki scream
15:08  * jsmith-teaching is half-watching while teaching
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15:09 < quaid> so, any questions ??
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15:10 < stickster> streamlining == good for this subproject.
15:10 < Sparks> +1
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15:12 < stickster> quaid: So is this really a proposal of "all for one,
one for all"
15:12 < stickster> ?
15:12 < quaid> um, what?
15:12 < quaid> three musketeers?
15:12 < stickster> heh
15:12 < stickster> Maybe eighteen musketeers if we're lucky!
15:12 < quaid> ok,sure
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15:12 < couf> +1 to the proposal
15:14 < couf> it feels like this is how it should happen, not to strict
but still have something in place
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15:18 < stickster> Sorry, phone call took me away, back now.
15:18  * quaid has a visitor passing through, sorry
15:18 < quaid> ok, so no discussion on that topic is OK
15:18 < stickster> yeah, I think no one has a problem with it.
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15:18 < quaid> since some pplweren't here last week, just making sure we
gave room to discuss
15:20 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo is a
meetin' -- release notes 9.0.2-1
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-May/msg00030.html
15:20 < stickster> So mdious did the POT fixin' and push for this
15:20 < quaid> ok
15:20 < quaid> so task is done?
15:20 < quaid> anything more on that topic?
15:21 < stickster> Not quite
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15:21 < couf> just needs rpm creation and publishing
15:21 < stickster> Needs an SRPM rolled and imported to package CVS
15:21 < stickster> and a build and push
15:21 < stickster> I can do that, but as part of the process I want to
document what I'm doing and put that in a wiki page
15:21 < stickster> Because someone else will be doing it in Fedora 10.
15:22 < stickster> I thought I had done at least half of it already, but
I can't seem to find the page on the current wiki :-\
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15:24 < couf> I can handle publishing to docs.fp.o
15:24 < stickster> Thanks couf
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15:24 < couf> move on?
15:26 < stickster> I'm ok with that... this is "in progress"
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15:27 -!- couf changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo is a
meetin' -- Wiki gardening redux
15:27 < quaid> thx
15:27  * quaid sends his visitor off :)
15:28 < quaid> btw, we have some new contributors who have been really
helping clean up and progress the new wiki
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15:28 < quaid> so far I've definitely noticed cyberpear_, anubis, and
kylev doing a lot
15:28 < couf> awesome
15:29 < quaid> also some Ambassadors have been cleaning up those pages, etc.
15:29 < stickster> I saw cyberpear come by here, I thought
15:29 < quaid> I don't think this is coincidentaly
15:29 < quaid> popularity and ease of mediawiki does help
15:29 < Sparks> +1
15:29 < quaid> and smokin' speed!
15:29 < stickster> Hopefully the new wiki's much faster response time
and consistent "up-ness" is a big help
15:29 < stickster> ha, *jinx
15:29 < stickster> And mmcgrath tells me this isn't the end state, it's
just "good enough" for right now -- there will be additional tuning later.
15:29 < quaid> word
15:30 < stickster> All hail Fedora Infrastructure!!!
15:31 < quaid> so, we continued to discuss Namespaces and Categories
after last week's meeting
15:31 < quaid> and so far, Namespaces are good for e.g. QA: with 1000
test plans
15:31 < quaid> when you want to separate content from the default search
space, basically.
15:31 < quaid> cats on the other hand our near and dear friends
15:31 < couf> I've been wondering if this could be a solution for
wiki-L10N as well
15:31 < quaid> with all docs on the flat namespace wiki/Doc_Name
15:31 < couf> having <lang>:....
15:31 < quaid> couf: "they say" the solution is in parallel wiki
installs,apparently
15:31 < quaid> couf: but I have seen that proposed in the
meta.mediawiki.org pages about namespace, as a l10n solution
15:31 < couf> yeah, I know, but as a current solution
15:31 < couf> really?
15:33 < stickster> Hm, weird
15:33 < quaid>
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace#Prefixes_in_various_languages
15:33 < quaid> sorry, not that one
15:33 < quaid>
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace#Custom_namespaces
15:33 < quaid> that one
15:34 < couf> ah interesting
15:34 < quaid> oh, weird, I read that wrong i guess
15:35 < quaid> Sparks: did you have any follow-up from last week on
categories, orphan pages, or better structure for
15:35 < quaid> DocsProject?
15:35 < quaid> and my general question ...
15:35 < quaid> where should we get all this naming and categorizing
written down?
15:35 < quaid> Help:
15:35 < quaid> Help:Editing or a ne wpage?
15:35 < stickster> hm.
15:35 < Sparks> Hmmm
15:36 < Sparks> I was just thinking about that...
15:36 < couf> Help:WikiStructure
15:36 < Sparks> What if...
15:36 < couf> linked from Help:Editing
15:37 < Sparks> we have multiple "standardized" categories and provide
links to those cats from the DocsProject page
15:37 < Sparks> The cats I would use would be "Documentation" "Draft
Documentation"
15:37 < Sparks> Any others?
15:37 < Sparks> Of course any large guide could have a cat to itself to
link all the pages together
15:37 < Sparks> I think it should be off a Help: page and linked from
the Docs Project page
15:38 < Sparks> eof
15:39 < quaid> +1
15:39 < quaid> I actually put something in
[[Category:DocumentationDraft]] this week :)
15:39 < Sparks> That works too
15:39 < quaid> the Bodhi_Guide iirc
15:39 < Sparks> as long as it makes sense to the end user
15:39 < quaid> hmm
15:39 < quaid> not too late to fix that
15:39 < Sparks> True
15:39 < quaid> any vote on the order here?
15:39 < quaid> yours does read more naturally
15:39 < Sparks> We can do that in MW now...
15:41 < Sparks> And then there is the orphan pages...  but I'll let
everyone comment before we move on
15:41 < quaid> any opinions?
15:42 < Sparks> any other categories that would be needed?
15:43 < couf> are we talking in general for the whole wiki, or just for
docs?
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15:43 < Sparks> couf: Just for docs
15:43 < Sparks> couf: There will probably be hundreds of cats wiki wide
15:43 < couf> okay, so we'll use these 3 them: DocsProject Documentation
and Draft Documentation
15:43 < couf> ?
15:43 < quaid> yeah
15:43 < quaid> Draft_Documentation
15:43 < quaid> cool
15:43 < Sparks> Unless anyone can think of any others that would be needed
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15:44 < quaid> not now, we'll grow as we go if needed
15:45 < couf> we should put a link to Documenation from docs.fp.o
15:45 < quaid> so oprhans ...
15:45 < quaid> couf: +1
15:45 < Sparks> quaid: the cats can have spaces...
15:45 < quaid> Sparks: aye +1 spaces
15:45 < Sparks> orphans
15:45 < Sparks> Hmmm...
15:45 < Sparks> So that is a tricky subject.
15:45 < Sparks> I think everything in the wiki should be linked to a
higher project.
15:45 < quaid> ok, I moved it to Category:Draft Documentation
15:45 < Sparks> But, as you stated last week, what if you have a page
that is linked to outside the wiki
15:45 < quaid> right, it can only be one of the ways to value a page
15:46  * quaid was denied his move :(
15:47 < quaid> can't move a Special: namespace item or something
15:47 < Sparks> Hmmm
15:47 < Sparks> So, I'm going to try to look at the orphans this
afternoon and see if some of them can be moved to a better home.
15:49 < quaid> sure, I bet we can do a lot with that
15:49 < Sparks> We might be missing something and not know it.
15:49 < Sparks> I know I found quite a bit of information that I'd like
to pull into the security guide
15:49 < quaid> ok
15:50 < quaid> so, we're going to put *all* this wiki structure stuff in
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15:50 < quaid> Help:WikiStructure
15:51 < quaid> ?
15:51 < quaid> link it from Help:Editing
15:51 < quaid> and maybe announce that a bit
15:51 < quaid> anyone feel like they can take on the first stab at
Help:WikiStructure?
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15:51  * Sparks can start on it
15:51 < quaid> that would be great, thx
15:51  * quaid loves how you can watch a page that doesn't exist yet
15:51 < Sparks> Ha!
15:51 < quaid> any more on this topic?
15:53 < quaid> ok then
15:53 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo --
content to handle
15:53 < quaid> so last week Sparks said the Security Guide is ready to
publish
15:53 < Sparks> ?
15:53 < quaid> sorry, did I get that wrong?
15:53 < Sparks> Ummm...  no...  but....
15:53 < quaid> "part of it"
15:53 < Sparks> A few weeks ago I thought we diminished the use of the
CVS over keeping things in the wiki.
15:55 < Sparks> Is that still true or are we going to be pushing stuff
over to CVS?
15:55 < quaid> well, we decided two things:L
15:55 < quaid> 1. If it is ready for DocBook XML, it needs a
fedorahosted.org space
15:55 < quaid> 2. It is OK to have some content that doesn't leave the
wiki, or stays in the wiki and leaves later
15:55 < quaid> because if we could just figure out how to l10n the wiki
with Transifex, we remove a large reason for XML
15:55 < quaid> my vote on the SEc Guide is
15:55 < quaid> it could go to XML, but that's a lot of work for
something that we aren't necc. going to invite translations to since it
is going to evovle rapidly
15:55 < quaid> so why not have it in the wiki now, grow it, and see
where it is as we get to F10
15:57 < couf> +1
15:57 < Sparks> +1
15:57 < quaid> maybe plan on having a full-guide alpha release with F10
Alpha
15:57 < quaid> ok, now how that looks, with draft and non-draft content ...
15:57 < quaid> maybe we have a {{draft}} template  at the top of all
draft pages
15:57 < quaid> and not worry about it, because it will have some use as
we proceed.
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15:59 < Sparks> I think we already do
15:59 < Sparks> I got a change on one of my pages that looked like that
15:59 < quaid> yep
15:59 < quaid> ok, we're out of time!
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15:59  * spevack boots quaid :)
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