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FDSCo Meeting 2009-04-09 IRC log



Apr 08 20:00:06 <Sparks>	<meeting id="Docs Project">
Apr 08 20:00:06 *	Sparks has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting
Apr 08 20:00:07 <Sparks>	Roll Call!
Apr 08 20:00:07 *	Sparks is here
Apr 08 20:00:12 *	ke4qqq is here
Apr 08 20:00:18 *	joat is here too
Apr 08 20:00:18 *	radsy is here
Apr 08 20:00:23 <Sparks>	joat: Yikes... 
Apr 08 20:00:33 <joat>	huh?!  where?
Apr 08 20:00:36 *	rudi is here
Apr 08 20:00:38 *	ianweller is here
Apr 08 20:00:43 *	dychen_ (n=dingyich d122-105-171-109 rdl15 qld optusnet com au) has joined #fedora-meeting
Apr 08 20:00:44 <ke4qqq>	joat: #fedora-mething is where we go when we need more hours as we draw near to release
Apr 08 20:00:48 *	laubersm is here
Apr 08 20:01:10 *	Sparks gives everyone a few more seconds to come in and have a seat.
Apr 08 20:01:17 <Tsagadai>	is here
Apr 08 20:01:19 <ianweller>	oh, there's chairs?
Apr 08 20:01:20 *	ianweller sits
Apr 08 20:01:30 *	jjmcd is here, just not paying attention
Apr 08 20:01:32 <joat>	ke4qqq: that's the channel for the tired mis-typing types?
Apr 08 20:01:57 <ke4qqq>	at least for the tired :)
Apr 08 20:02:19 *	che_ has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
Apr 08 20:02:23 <Sparks>	First off I'd like to say thanks for everyone coming today.  It's always great having everyone here.
Apr 08 20:02:23 <Sparks>	I'd also like to apologize for not being around here recently.  The Navy is trying to send me somewhere so I've been trying to get that worked out in addition to handling "regular" $DAYJOB activities which has become more of a hassle here recently.
Apr 08 20:02:23 <Sparks>	That being said.  If you need to get up with me hit me up on IRC.  I try to be around as much as I can be and at the end of the day when I have so many e-mail messages pending I usually skim over them which means I probably miss a lot.
Apr 08 20:03:30 <radsy>	email is over-rated anyway
Apr 08 20:03:31 <Sparks>	Okay, on with the agenda
Apr 08 20:03:37 <Sparks>	radsy: I agree!  :)
Apr 08 20:03:38 *	Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Sponsoring new members
Apr 08 20:03:47 <Sparks>	Just wanted to throw this out.  Last week I made some changes to the Docs "group" in FAS.  We have a ton of users in there and I moved some of the sponsors around to make sure that we have our more "senior" members in as sponsors.  It's not a dig if you aren't a sponsor as I was simply grabbing a few people to get things rolling.  I'll be ironing these "roles" out better in the near future.
Apr 08 20:04:15 <Sparks>	What I want to do is make sure that everyone that is unapproved in the docs group goes through the formal process of becoming a member.  That means joining the listserv, providing an introduction, etc.  I also want to make sure that those new members get a brief introduction to what we do and how we do it.  If you sponsor someone I want you to take them under your wing and help them along.
Apr 08 20:04:15 <Sparks>	Questions or comments?
Apr 08 20:04:41 *	ianweller will have no time to sponsor people :)
Apr 08 20:04:50 <Sparks>	ianweller: Bah!
Apr 08 20:04:55 <jjmcd>	So you want the gray hairs to do the mentoring - you said "senior"
Apr 08 20:05:01 <joat>	Like the idea... have joined a couple orgs in the past that had orientation involving a "walk through"
Apr 08 20:05:09 *	ianweller won't have gray hair for a while. i'm set!
Apr 08 20:05:16 <Sparks>	jjmcd: Don't you have enough for the rest of us?
Apr 08 20:05:26 <joat>	even a simple howto would be better than nothing
Apr 08 20:05:28 <jjmcd>	probably do
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Apr 08 20:05:45 <joat>	ianweller: that can be fixed
Apr 08 20:06:02 <jjmcd>	One more release ought to do it
Apr 08 20:06:05 <Sparks>	joat: Yes, and I apologize for not helping you out!  I'll make a better attempt starting tonight.
Apr 08 20:07:05 <Sparks>	Just beware...  If you do a good job you are probably going to be selected in the near future!
Apr 08 20:07:20 <laubersm>	no frying pans here - just straight into the fire
Apr 08 20:07:25 <Sparks>	:)
Apr 08 20:07:33 <joat>	i've been volunteered before... :)
Apr 08 20:07:35 <Sparks>	Okay, anything else on this one?
Apr 08 20:07:48 <ke4qqq>	Sparks: it'd be nice to have a roadmap
Apr 08 20:07:56 <ke4qqq>	to show to the people being mentored
Apr 08 20:08:03 <Sparks>	ke4qqq: +1
Apr 08 20:08:03 <ke4qqq>	ie, what we are expected to show
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Apr 08 20:08:23 <ke4qqq>	so that someone doesn't get the raw end of the deal because it fell to me to mentor them :)
Apr 08 20:08:32 <Sparks>	ke4qqq: Yeah, it's going to depend on what they are going to work on but yes, we need a "general road map".  
Apr 08 20:08:41 <laubersm>	or at least the wiki pages updated - now that they are renamed and have categories
Apr 08 20:09:03 <laubersm>	it is still a mash of info without the map
Apr 08 20:09:06 *	ke4qqq wonders if we can task quaid to do that since he isn't here. 
Apr 08 20:09:19 <Sparks>	ke4qqq: Again, another great idea
Apr 08 20:09:27 *	Sparks notes that stickster isn't here either
Apr 08 20:09:39 <quaid>	good luck
Apr 08 20:09:49 <quaid>	I have irc alert, even though this in-person discussion is more fun :)
Apr 08 20:10:06 <laubersm>	quaid, pointed out what to archive and what to keep - so he must have a plan for revising what is left :)
Apr 08 20:10:09 *	ke4qqq will remember to say  q-u-a-i-d next time. 
Apr 08 20:10:18 *	ianweller will remember to say diauq
Apr 08 20:10:29 <ke4qqq>	ianweller: I am sure he has that on alert
Apr 08 20:11:17 <quaid>	Sparks: I think those in the 'docs' queue are driveby; they requested when they made their FAS account and didn't follow-up
Apr 08 20:11:30 <Sparks>	Yes, I agree
Apr 08 20:11:40 <jjmcd>	They are all pretty recent, tho
Apr 08 20:11:52 <ianweller>	how long should we wait until we consider a request "stale" and remove it if they haven't done the follow-up?
Apr 08 20:11:55 <quaid>	we can send them something about the proper join process, then delete them; or just purge and point them at the join.
Apr 08 20:12:03 <quaid>	ianweller: I have that tagged for highlight, too
Apr 08 20:12:13 <ianweller>	seriously? lol
Apr 08 20:12:16 <quaid>	ianweller: less than a week
Apr 08 20:12:22 <quaid>	since the join process
Apr 08 20:12:28 <quaid>	specifies the group as -after- the self-intro
Apr 08 20:12:38 <quaid>	so, send a reminder, then wait a week, then purge; IMHO
Apr 08 20:12:44 <jjmcd>	Good plan
Apr 08 20:13:19 *	ryanlerch (n=rlerch nat/redhat/x-c8220ac66d82f571) has joined #fedora-meeting
Apr 08 20:13:26 <ianweller>	ryanlerch!!!!!
Apr 08 20:13:28 <jjmcd>	Morning ryanlerch
Apr 08 20:13:31 *	mdomsch has quit ("Leaving")
Apr 08 20:13:35 <ryanlerch>	morning
Apr 08 20:13:48 *	joat still needs to submit a self-intro (yikes!)
Apr 08 20:13:51 *	quaid drops networks to run back to the hotel
Apr 08 20:13:57 <quaid>	bbiafew
Apr 08 20:14:18 *	jjmcd is disappointed stickster is gone missing, was hoping to hit him up for some mentoring, actually
Apr 08 20:14:22 <Sparks>	Okay, we need to move along or else we'll be consuming the next two meeting spots.
Apr 08 20:14:31 <jjmcd>	we can be greedy
Apr 08 20:14:52 <Sparks>	jjmcd: We have been...  But I have to go to bed at a decent hour tonight.
Apr 08 20:15:02 <ianweller>	haha. "decent hour."
Apr 08 20:15:04 <jjmcd>	sleep is overrated
Apr 08 20:15:05 *	ianweller shuts up ;)
Apr 08 20:15:06 <Sparks>	jjmcd: Plus MythBusters Special comes on in 45 min!
Apr 08 20:15:16 <ke4qqq>	heh
Apr 08 20:15:23 *	Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Review docs schedule and tasks.
Apr 08 20:15:34 <Sparks>	Okay, stickster wanted us to talk about this.
Apr 08 20:15:47 <Sparks>	Does anyone know when documents are due for translation?
Apr 08 20:15:54 <ke4qqq>	4/14
Apr 08 20:16:03 <rudi>	14/4 :)
Apr 08 20:16:04 <jjmcd>	I believe that's right
Apr 08 20:16:14 <ke4qqq>	14 April
Apr 08 20:16:16 <ke4qqq>	:)
Apr 08 20:16:28 <Sparks>	Very good class
Apr 08 20:16:29 <Sparks>	:)
Apr 08 20:16:36 <jjmcd>	meanwhile, I'm trying to satisfy myself we know what to do with them once we got them
Apr 08 20:16:47 <Sparks>	So that is NEXT TUESDAY!!!!!
Apr 08 20:16:52 <jjmcd>	yepper
Apr 08 20:16:52 <ianweller>	!!!!!!
Apr 08 20:17:05 <Sparks>	Does that strike fear in anyone's mind?
Apr 08 20:17:18 <jjmcd>	and I believe RPMs Thursday
Apr 08 20:17:30 *	jjmcd packaged a publican document today and
Apr 08 20:17:34 <ke4qqq>	just for RN
Apr 08 20:17:46 <jjmcd>	when I logged in, it came up in German, no matter what language I logged in as
Apr 08 20:18:02 <Sparks>	jjmcd: Well that's a problem!
Apr 08 20:18:04 <jjmcd>	so still some learning to do
Apr 08 20:18:16 <jjmcd>	Yeah, since I don't speak German
Apr 08 20:18:21 <Sparks>	jjmcd: You know, unless you are in Germany...
Apr 08 20:18:30 <Sparks>	You don't have to be able to speak it to read it
Apr 08 20:18:45 <jjmcd>	I dunno, Dutch is that way, but not German
Apr 08 20:18:51 <Sparks>	:)
Apr 08 20:19:03 <Sparks>	So anyone have any concerns?
Apr 08 20:19:25 <jjmcd>	I was hoping to get stickster to walk me through the old .spec file
Apr 08 20:19:37 <Sparks>	Yeah, that would have been helpful.
Apr 08 20:19:46 <ke4qqq>	?
Apr 08 20:19:52 >fedbot<	help
Apr 08 20:19:55 <jjmcd>	I figure once I understand that I'll sort what to do with publican
Apr 08 20:20:00 <ke4qqq>	so do we have the plan wrt to multiple files or single file or???
Apr 08 20:20:08 <ke4qqq>	for srpm ^^
Apr 08 20:20:20 <jjmcd>	I'm assuming a single ... multiples would make it easy for us
Apr 08 20:20:45 <laubersm>	So what is the status of each of the docs - content wise (packaging aside)?  ANd which one are they?  UG  IG and ???
Apr 08 20:20:54 <Sparks>	jjmcd: ke4qqq That's pushing us into the next topic...
Apr 08 20:21:02 <ke4qqq>	ok sorry
Apr 08 20:21:09 <jjmcd>	We have a bunch of others we are ignoring tho
Apr 08 20:21:10 *	tatica (n=tatica nelug/designer/tatica) has joined #fedora-meeting
Apr 08 20:21:13 <Sparks>	You guys are just pushing right along!
Apr 08 20:21:18 <Sparks>	So let's move along.
Apr 08 20:21:18 *	Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Release Notes <-- ryanlerch & jjmcd
Apr 08 20:21:22 <jjmcd>	There's a handful of other stuff packaged with the RNs
Apr 08 20:21:36 <jjmcd>	I have no clue how we get them translated (and updated)
Apr 08 20:21:58 <Sparks>	laubersm: And I'm going to get though all the guides tonight, too.  
Apr 08 20:22:15 <jjmcd>	Or even where they came from, they show up in the old RPM, things like burning a CD and junk
Apr 08 20:22:21 *	KageSenshi (n=kagesens fedora/KageSenshi) has joined #fedora-meeting
Apr 08 20:22:39 <jjmcd>	I thouglt Paul intended to enlighten us tonight
Apr 08 20:22:45 <Sparks>	Me too
Apr 08 20:23:00 <Sparks>	Something must have come up as he's usually marked away...
Apr 08 20:23:12 *	tatica has quit (Remote closed the connection)
Apr 08 20:23:30 <jjmcd>	Well, he was installing rawhide, and they say it eats babies, does he have any babies at home?
Apr 08 20:24:53 *	Sparks gives him a call on Talk
Apr 08 20:25:32 <Sparks>	jjmcd: Okay, stickster will be up here shortly
Apr 08 20:25:36 <jjmcd>	We have about-fedora, homepage, README, README-BURNING_ISOS and readme-live-image in the rpm
Apr 08 20:25:55 <Sparks>	jjmcd: He had Dad duty and was "yum install xchat" when I rang him
Apr 08 20:25:55 <jjmcd>	No idea where they came from
Apr 08 20:26:03 <jjmcd>	LOL
Apr 08 20:27:11 <Sparks>	Okay, while we wait for stickster, let's do a quick roll through all the guides to see where people are.
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Apr 08 20:27:17 <jjmcd>	All those are small, but I am sure they need to be reviewed as a minimum
Apr 08 20:27:22 <Sparks>	Then we'll come back to RN.
Apr 08 20:27:33 *	Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Installation Guide <-- ke4qqq
Apr 08 20:27:35 <Sparks>	ke4qqq: go
Apr 08 20:27:42 <ke4qqq>	so we are pretty good
Apr 08 20:27:48 <ke4qqq>	even wrt translations
Apr 08 20:28:03 <ke4qqq>	we have a few things we are tweaking based on feedback from QA
Apr 08 20:28:07 <ke4qqq>	but not much
Apr 08 20:28:12 <ke4qqq>	we could use some wordsmithin
Apr 08 20:28:14 <ke4qqq>	g
Apr 08 20:28:23 <ke4qqq>	and some sanity checks
Apr 08 20:28:32 <ke4qqq>	but aside from that I am very happy with where we are.
Apr 08 20:28:36 *	stickster (n=nthereas ip72-205-14-2 dc dc cox net) has joined #fedora-meeting
Apr 08 20:28:40 <rudi>	What he said.
Apr 08 20:28:54 <jjmcd>	a diller a dollar
Apr 08 20:29:14 <ke4qqq>	and for the record - rudi has done most of the work on IG
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Apr 08 20:29:29 <jjmcd>	yay rudi
Apr 08 20:29:29 <Sparks>	And some how I never get his name in my agenda!!!
Apr 08 20:29:34 <Sparks>	rudi: Thanks!!!
Apr 08 20:29:44 <Sparks>	Anything else?
Apr 08 20:30:04 <ke4qqq>	nothing from me, other than I'd welcome some wordsmiths and sanity check people.
Apr 08 20:30:13 <laubersm>	ke4qqq, wordsmithing?  latest pointer to the doc for the record?  I might have some time this week...  due when?
Apr 08 20:30:25 <rudi>	I'll just say that I think we should keep the wordsmithing to a minimum in this release
Apr 08 20:30:57 <stickster>	I think I'm live again now
Apr 08 20:31:02 <rudi>	We've had a substantial increase in content, and some L10N teams are going to have a very heavy load as it is...
Apr 08 20:31:09 <Sparks>	I'm guessing all the text has been vetted at this point.
Apr 08 20:31:21 <ke4qqq>	laubersm: I think rlandmann has it in html on his fedorapeople page - mine is a few days old, but I'll build it again tonight (rudi does the html and I do pdf builds)
Apr 08 20:31:23 <Sparks>	stickster: Welcome back
Apr 08 20:31:29 <ke4qqq>	Sparks: hmmmmm sorta
Apr 08 20:31:42 <rudi>	Sparks - well, I pointed it out to the anaconda guys last week and got a couple of tips
Apr 08 20:31:50 <ke4qqq>	Sparks: if by vetted you mean it was accurate at one point in time or another for one release of RHEL or Fedora
Apr 08 20:32:00 <rudi>	and there's been some discussion on fedora-test-list and a couple of bugs filed
Apr 08 20:32:02 <Sparks>	:)
Apr 08 20:32:20 <rudi>	ke4qqq - LOL :)
Apr 08 20:32:40 <ke4qqq>	but generally yes, there hasn't been much change - and those that are required have either been longstanding bugs or some slight change in behavior specific to F11
Apr 08 20:33:33 <Sparks>	Okay.  
Apr 08 20:33:43 <Sparks>	Let's move on real quick so we can get back to the RN and stickster 
Apr 08 20:33:46 <rudi>	laubersm - http://rlandmann.fedorapeople.org/Installation%20Guide/
Apr 08 20:33:54 <laubersm>	rudi, thanks
Apr 08 20:33:58 <Sparks>	Okay, so I'm a bit embarassed to say that I haven't had a chance to do anything on this package.  I'm going to try to look at it this week and see what I can do about getting the package approved.
Apr 08 20:33:58 *	Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Security Guide <-- sparks
Apr 08 20:34:40 <radsy>	cool, is that 14/4 date still the deadline?
Apr 08 20:34:40 <Sparks>	radsy and a large contingent from Brisbane have done a bang up job getting everything integrated.
Apr 08 20:34:50 <Sparks>	radsy: I think so...
Apr 08 20:35:21 <jjmcd>	Create Draft POT files for All Guides Tue 2009-04-14 Wed 2009-04-15
Apr 08 20:35:25 <Sparks>	radsy: I think jjmcd knows how to get the translation files put together properly so I'll see if he has some time to help me with that.
Apr 08 20:35:53 <jjmcd>	Except they don't work! (unless you like all German)
Apr 08 20:35:56 <radsy>	ok great, thanks
Apr 08 20:36:08 <Sparks>	jjmcd: Ummm....
Apr 08 20:36:17 <Sparks>	jjmcd: Let's chat after the meeting.
Apr 08 20:36:29 <jjmcd>	That's OK, over the next couple of days Paul will teach me how to fix it
Apr 08 20:36:45 <Sparks>	radsy: Are you going to be around after the meeting?  Maybe you and mhideo and I can chat real quick?
Apr 08 20:37:06 <radsy>	he's not in his office
Apr 08 20:37:21 <Sparks>	radsy: Boo... Okay, well, you and I can talk!
Apr 08 20:37:27 <radsy>	ok
Apr 08 20:37:36 <Sparks>	radsy: Don't go anywhere just yet...
Apr 08 20:37:36 *	Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on SELinux Guide
Apr 08 20:37:46 <Sparks>	radsy: I think you own the SELinux guide now?
Apr 08 20:37:48 <rudi>	Sparks - talking about translations generally, or specifically about translations in rpms?
Apr 08 20:37:58 <kirkz>	kirkz sneaks in
Apr 08 20:38:10 <radsy>	the user guide isn't changing as far as I'm aware - still working on the confined-services guide
Apr 08 20:38:23 <Sparks>	radsy: Okay, is it ready for publication?
Apr 08 20:38:28 <radsy>	http://sradvan.fedorapeople.org/SELinux_Managing_Confined_Services/en-US/html-single/ if you want a look
Apr 08 20:38:32 <radsy>	no
Apr 08 20:38:41 <Sparks>	rudi: We need to figure out how to get the translations working properly.
Apr 08 20:38:44 <radsy>	my timeline to finish editing is 25/5
Apr 08 20:39:09 *	danielsmw (n=olpc 130-127-20-7 mauldin resnet clemson edu) has joined #fedora-meeting
Apr 08 20:39:11 <Sparks>	radsy: Okay.  Good deal.  If I can ever get my head above water I can probably help you if need be
Apr 08 20:39:49 *	Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on User Guide <--danielsmw
Apr 08 20:39:57 <Sparks>	danielsmw: And look who joined up just in time.
Apr 08 20:40:01 <radsy>	sounds good! plodding along with it, selinux a bit of a black hole
Apr 08 20:40:02 <danielsmw>	Ah, I can't sneak in quietly
Apr 08 20:40:20 <danielsmw>	UG Status:
Apr 08 20:40:21 <rudi>	Sparks - working properly in rpms or the translation process more generally (ie, the joining and splitting of Publican's multiple .po files)
Apr 08 20:40:30 <Sparks>	danielsmw: Not with that awful orange Clemson dns name
Apr 08 20:40:54 *	ke4qqq notes that we need to tell him about cloaks
Apr 08 20:41:03 <danielsmw>	Not  much has changed.  There was a brief list discussion about splitting off the F11 source on the wiki
Apr 08 20:41:04 <jjmcd>	rudi: The joining and splitting isnt tooooo opaque
Apr 08 20:41:30 <danielsmw>	We would do this so we can simultaneously clean and XMLify F10
Apr 08 20:41:35 <danielsmw>	while also working on F11
Apr 08 20:41:55 <danielsmw>	The goal is to have at least an accurate wiki guide by F11 release
Apr 08 20:42:07 <ke4qqq>	danielsmw: any chance of pulling off F11 by 14 April?? if you have additional people?
Apr 08 20:42:09 *	ryanlerch has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
Apr 08 20:42:22 <danielsmw>	But with exams coming up, i have't had much time to do stuff.
Apr 08 20:42:26 <danielsmw>	Um... 14?
Apr 08 20:42:29 >danielsmw<	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreenodeCloaks
Apr 08 20:42:35 <danielsmw>	6 days?
Apr 08 20:42:43 <danielsmw>	Eh....I suppose.
Apr 08 20:43:00 <danielsmw>	I mean, with enough people, we could at least finish it onthe wiki
Apr 08 20:43:13 <danielsmw>	I'm still listening to disucssions about mw-render
Apr 08 20:43:26 <danielsmw>	So not sure if XML would be doable bythen.
Apr 08 20:43:28 <rudi>	jjmcd - I'm feeling a certain amount of anxiety about it :/ I can see that the joining part is trivial :)
Apr 08 20:43:37 <danielsmw>	ke4qqq: Why do you ask?
Apr 08 20:43:52 <ke4qqq>	danielsmw: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/f-11-docs-tasks.html
Apr 08 20:44:21 *	ianweller goes to eat
Apr 08 20:44:22 <ke4qqq>	so if we can leverage some people - ie laubersm I'd rather danielsmw get help with UG than me with IG
Apr 08 20:44:29 <danielsmw>	ke4qqq: ill look in a bit, im on the XO.
Apr 08 20:45:09 <danielsmw>	to be honest, i dont have a lot of time for work until May
Apr 08 20:45:17 <danielsmw>	But I can manage and direct
Apr 08 20:45:20 <stickster>	rudi: splitting shouldn't be bad either. Unused strings will pile up but we can use 'msgattrib --no-obsolete' to clean them out.
Apr 08 20:45:20 <laubersm>	ke4qqq, danielsmw I can help where ever for a few days
Apr 08 20:45:23 *	RodrigoPadula has quit ("Saindo")
Apr 08 20:45:23 <danielsmw>	And do a little bit of work.
Apr 08 20:45:26 <ke4qqq>	so Sparks - let me pose this question - I think I know the answer as we did so last release for the IG - but what happens if we slip some days.
Apr 08 20:45:35 <ke4qqq>	on one of the guys hitting l10n
Apr 08 20:45:36 <Sparks>	danielsmw: Can you put together a list of what needs to be done?
Apr 08 20:45:40 <ke4qqq>	s/guys/guide/
Apr 08 20:45:48 <danielsmw>	Sparks: yes.  I could have that by Friday.
Apr 08 20:45:49 *	laubersm was really trying to get the links into the log for others that might be lurking in need of ideas of how to help
Apr 08 20:45:52 <Sparks>	ke4qqq: Well...
Apr 08 20:46:12 <jjmcd>	good catch, laubersm
Apr 08 20:46:13 <Sparks>	ke4qqq: I feel that translations might be soft anyway.  It might take a day... or three months...
Apr 08 20:46:14 <laubersm>	I can probably also help with cleaning XML
Apr 08 20:46:38 <Sparks>	laubersm: yeah, I should put those in the topics.
Apr 08 20:46:48 *	kirk_ (n=Kirk 71-219-105-23 slkc qwest net) has joined #fedora-meeting
Apr 08 20:46:49 <Sparks>	ke4qqq: I know they have a to be done date...
Apr 08 20:46:57 <danielsmw>	Oh, something else
Apr 08 20:47:01 <danielsmw>	About the UG
Apr 08 20:47:12 <Sparks>	ke4qqq: but I'm guessing they could get it done if we turn it in late.
Apr 08 20:47:29 <ke4qqq>	Sparks: the done date is 14 May or 15 may
Apr 08 20:47:37 <Sparks>	ke4qqq: Or the guide gets released a little late
Apr 08 20:47:38 <joat>	i can be available for simple grunt work (you need to show me what to do)
Apr 08 20:47:42 <danielsmw>	Since I've been trying to do some more devel work and I have more work in school, I've offered to kirk_ to take up the lead by F12.
Apr 08 20:47:55 <ke4qqq>	danielsmw: cool
Apr 08 20:48:14 <danielsmw>	kirk_: are you still up for that?
Apr 08 20:48:25 <kirk_>	Sure
Apr 08 20:48:29 <danielsmw>	Cool
Apr 08 20:48:32 <laubersm>	cool
Apr 08 20:48:40 <ke4qqq>	danielsmw: can you point joat in the direction of sections that need work, kirk_ can you work with joat on using the wiki and getting stuff done
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Apr 08 20:48:54 <kirk_>	Yup
Apr 08 20:49:06 <Sparks>	Okay, anything else on the UG?
Apr 08 20:49:11 <ke4qqq>	Sparks: mind if I delegate some of that mentoring for you :)
Apr 08 20:49:12 <rudi>	stickster - thanks; I'll take a look at that.
Apr 08 20:49:13 <danielsmw>	Nope, not from me
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Apr 08 20:49:18 <Sparks>	ke4qqq: Go for it!  :)
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Apr 08 20:49:54 <Sparks>	ke4qqq: Just realize that people notice that kind of thing and start eying you as my replacement.
Apr 08 20:50:07 <Sparks>	Okay... Moving back to the RN so stickster can preach!
Apr 08 20:50:09 <ke4qqq>	danielsmw: status with publican transifex
Apr 08 20:50:11 <ke4qqq>	?
Apr 08 20:50:26 <stickster>	Sparks: OK, what are the pending questions at this point?
Apr 08 20:50:27 *	Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Release Notes
Apr 08 20:50:41 <Sparks>	stickster: I think jjmcd had some questions.
Apr 08 20:50:48 <danielsmw>	ke4qqq: my part is just involved right now with some status/statistic reports
Apr 08 20:51:02 <danielsmw>	I've pretty much digested all the code
Apr 08 20:51:15 <jjmcd>	Well, I think the main thing is understanding f-r-n.spec.  Perhaps we can schedule a walkthrough in the next day or two
Apr 08 20:51:19 <danielsmw>	And I'm working now on a first example
Apr 08 20:51:27 <ke4qqq>	danielsmw: outstanding!
Apr 08 20:51:34 <danielsmw>	Is there a date i should be looking at
Apr 08 20:51:35 <danielsmw>	?
Apr 08 20:51:50 <ke4qqq>	danielsmw: glezos can answer that better than I
Apr 08 20:52:10 <danielsmw>	okay
Apr 08 20:52:36 <stickster>	jjmcd: I can probably do something tomorrow afternoon -- Friday gets hairy, because it's a company holiday and I've got a bunch of honeydews to get completed before we leave on vacation
Apr 08 20:53:02 <ke4qqq>	so another process type question - who is packaging RN?
Apr 08 20:53:09 <stickster>	jjmcd: Basically the biggest part of the spec is just putting pieces in place on the file system
Apr 08 20:53:13 <jjmcd>	 /me sees no reason why tomorrow PM wouldn't be good
Apr 08 20:53:26 <stickster>	jjmcd: There's not much to it, just some "for/do/done" loops and a bunch of "/usr/bin/install" commands
Apr 08 20:53:40 <jjmcd>	Yeah, I see a lot of that
Apr 08 20:53:42 <stickster>	long != complex
Apr 08 20:53:50 *	stickster goes to take a look
Apr 08 20:53:54 <jjmcd>	But I don't understand how the languages get selected
Apr 08 20:54:13 <stickster>	jjmcd: The languages are all part of the tarballs IIRC
Apr 08 20:54:59 <stickster>	jjmcd: For  instance, this line:
Apr 08 20:55:00 <jjmcd>	Also, we have those other docs, I suspect we need to review and re-translate
Apr 08 20:55:06 <stickster>	  L=`echo ${F} | %{__sed} 's/Release_Notes-\(.*\)\.html/\1/'`
Apr 08 20:55:29 <stickster>	That's just snipping out the 'en-US' for example in Release_Notes-en-US.html
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Apr 08 20:55:38 <jjmcd>	ahhhhh
Apr 08 20:55:53 *	jjmcd didnt pull out his sed book to decode that
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Apr 08 20:56:14 <ke4qqq>	who is packaging the RN?
Apr 08 20:56:16 <stickster>	These other documents all have git repos too
Apr 08 20:56:24 <stickster>	ke4qqq: This is the question of the hour, thank you for asking
Apr 08 20:56:40 <jjmcd>	Oh, cool - so we just reviews, update as needed, make pots
Apr 08 20:56:43 *	stickster will be on vacation, which was one of the reasons he wanted to make sure this was discussed :-)
Apr 08 20:57:14 <jjmcd>	ke4qqq: I am assuming I am going to get stuck with it.  Since I am not a packager, I want to have done it before next week
Apr 08 20:57:17 <Sparks>	stickster: We'll just need a phone number you can be reached at
Apr 08 20:57:46 <stickster>	Sparks: Ha, you must think I'm pretty gullible
Apr 08 20:58:01 <Sparks>	stickster: I think the word I'm looking for is... responsive
Apr 08 20:58:03 <ke4qqq>	jjmcd: so that worries me wrt to sponsorship - I don't think docs has any packaging sponsors. Soo....can we get you sponsored on another package quickly?
Apr 08 20:58:30 <stickster>	ke4qqq: Actually, f13 should be able to help I think.
Apr 08 20:58:40 <jjmcd>	Funny thing: I just made a simple RPM I was thinking of submitting for F12
Apr 08 20:58:47 <ke4qqq>	ahhh cool
Apr 08 20:58:51 <ke4qqq>	jjmcd: def do so
Apr 08 20:59:15 <stickster>	ke4qqq: jjmcd: If someone prepares the SRPM, you can publish it on your fedorapeople.org site, and just coordinate with f13 to pull it down and import it to CVS.
Apr 08 20:59:29 <jjmcd>	OK, good
Apr 08 20:59:47 *	ke4qqq would rather grow the packager count in docs anyway
Apr 08 20:59:54 <stickster>	ke4qqq: I fully agree
Apr 08 20:59:56 <jjmcd>	As I said, I made an RPM of a test doc, but when I installed it, all the languages came out German
Apr 08 21:00:10 <Sparks>	ke4qqq: I'm trying!
Apr 08 21:00:10 <stickster>	jjmcd: What I will try to do tomorrow is revise that set of instructions that's in the f10 branch of the release notes, and put the fresh copy in the devel branch.
Apr 08 21:00:25 <jjmcd>	OK, cool
Apr 08 21:01:51 <jjmcd>	So tomorrow AM I'll read, then tomorrow PM we'll talk
Apr 08 21:01:59 <ke4qqq>	Sparks: I wasn't picking on you
Apr 08 21:02:17 <Sparks>	ke4qqq: I know...  But I am trying.  I think quaid said he was going to try as well.  
Apr 08 21:02:33 <Sparks>	ke4qqq: Let's all become packagers!
Apr 08 21:02:45 <stickster>	jjmcd: Anytime after 11am or so should work for me, it looks
Apr 08 21:02:46 <ke4qqq>	it'd be nice
Apr 08 21:02:56 <jjmcd>	stickster, good deal
Apr 08 21:03:02 <stickster>	jjmcd: Do you want to set a time now so others can attend?
Apr 08 21:03:09 <stickster>	We'll just do it here anyway, so logging works
Apr 08 21:03:10 <jjmcd>	Yes, lets
Apr 08 21:03:28 <jjmcd>	Good thinking - 1PM OK?
Apr 08 21:03:33 <stickster>	disco
Apr 08 21:03:52 *	jjmcd quick puts an alarm on his Trea
Apr 08 21:05:05 <Sparks>	Anything else on the RN?
Apr 08 21:05:39 *	Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Open Discussion
Apr 08 21:05:47 <Sparks>	Anyone have anything they want to talk about?
Apr 08 21:05:53 *	lcafiero sneaks in and sits in back.
Apr 08 21:06:04 <radsy>	nope
Apr 08 21:06:15 *	jjmcd was wondering whether there is likely to be a lot of docs folks at berlin
Apr 08 21:06:15 <kirk_>	nope
Apr 08 21:06:18 <stickster>	jjmcd: I misspoke, by "here" I meant, let's meet at #fedora-docs
Apr 08 21:06:25 <jjmcd>	yes
Apr 08 21:06:31 <jjmcd>	I assumed so
Apr 08 21:06:32 <stickster>	I'll be there!
Apr 08 21:06:34 <stickster>	(Berlin I mean)
Apr 08 21:06:43 <stickster>	I just booked my flight today
Apr 08 21:06:48 <stickster>	Airfare suddenly plummeted for some odd reason
Apr 08 21:06:56 <stickster>	What was $1050 last week was $589 today.
Apr 08 21:07:01 <jjmcd>	I still haven't decided, but maybe a wiki->rpm automation hackfest topic
Apr 08 21:07:02 <ke4qqq>	wow
Apr 08 21:07:04 <jjmcd>	cool
Apr 08 21:07:16 <stickster>	Is it a bad sign that it was on "Acme Airlines"?
Apr 08 21:07:21 <jjmcd>	I got a friend could get me a delta employee fare
Apr 08 21:07:51 <jjmcd>	And I might just drag along baby boy
Apr 08 21:08:27 <jjmcd>	(baby boy is older than half the docs folks)
Apr 08 21:08:43 <stickster>	jjmcd: f13 can probably confirm this, but fedora-release-notes is no longer a Requires: of fedora-release in F11 I think
Apr 08 21:09:28 <stickster>	Which means that if something goes horribly, horribly wrong, fedora-release-notes could be missing and the release can still proceed
Apr 08 21:09:43 <jjmcd>	Well, I don't plan on going horribly wrong
Apr 08 21:09:44 <stickster>	I think we'd all rather that not happen, but it's worth keeping in the back of your mind.
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Apr 08 21:10:16 *	ke4qqq is heading out for a bit - be back in an hour or so
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Apr 08 21:10:37 <Sparks>	Okay, anything else for the meeting?
Apr 08 21:11:02 <jjmcd>	I think we're set
Apr 08 21:11:12 <Sparks>	I know we've been missing some things on the agenda but after the RN goes to press next week I'll try to get things back on track.
Apr 08 21:11:22 <Sparks>	5
Apr 08 21:11:24 <Sparks>	4
Apr 08 21:11:26 <Sparks>	3
Apr 08 21:11:28 <Sparks>	2
Apr 08 21:11:31 <Sparks>	1
Apr 08 21:11:36 <Sparks>	Thanks everyone for coming!
Apr 08 21:11:36 <Sparks>	</meeting>

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