(21:09:07) quaid: <meeting> (21:09:11) quaid: yeah, I've been talking (21:09:12) stickster: :-) (21:09:28) ***quaid is on the phone a little bit (21:13:30) quaid: let's see ... where were we from last week? (21:14:17) EvilBob: last week was there a meeting? (21:14:31) stickster: yup (21:14:49) EvilBob: oh the week before was canceled (21:15:11) stickster: yup (21:16:05) quaid: stickster: is it worth rolling down the list or do we have something in particular on the table (21:16:29) stickster: Hang on... just got back from an errand and need to call up last week's notes :-) (21:16:43) ***stickster does not like the sound his ThinkPad fan is making (21:18:06) stickster: Hmm, no summary available apparently (21:18:33) stickster: megacoder was going to get with nman64 about the webtest.f.r.c problems (21:18:57) stickster: ghenry was going to get with one of the new guys, Lance, about checking the contributor list (21:19:23) elliss: stickster: A summary went to the list. (21:19:35) stickster: OK, I must have deleted it locally then (21:19:58) stickster: I had my finger on that key a lot with the whole "future" thread on f-devel-l :-) (21:20:07) elliss: The meetings page will have a link. (21:20:14) stickster: OH yeah! (21:20:21) stickster: thanks for the reminder (21:20:58) stickster: OK, that pretty much did it. (21:21:22) stickster: I tried to work on packaging some but last week was very busy for me IRL (21:24:28) stickster: Is everyone burned out here or what? (21:24:48) stickster: :-D (21:26:26) quaid: yep :D (21:27:09) stickster: All right, this is just silly. Let's call it and reconvene next week. There are plenty of things hopping that we can work on in the meantime. I am getting ready for travel to FUDCon tomorrow, and I know quaid is too (21:27:55) stickster: elliss: What would you say is the next action for (1) IG and (2) Yum Tutorial? Publication ready? Needs a round of editing? (21:28:23) stickster: I will try and take care of either pronto... I am a little off track from having too many pots boiling IRL (21:28:28) elliss: Feel free to sanity check them. (21:28:34) quaid: ok (21:28:37) stickster: I suspect if anything is needed it's trivial (21:28:41) elliss: They're ready to go (21:28:45) stickster: You're awesome :-) (21:28:48) elliss: I'm moving house (21:28:53) stickster: And you're moving (21:29:01) elliss: Haven't had time to look at Web publish (21:29:10) elliss: To do it myself (21:29:17) stickster: OK (21:29:22) quaid: add stuff to fp.org/wiki/Docs (21:29:23) quaid: btw (21:29:45) stickster: Was that ideas and such? (21:29:55) stickster: Or also gathering other stuff we find on the wiki? (21:29:58) ***stickster looks back in mail... (21:30:19) stickster: Gotcha (21:31:01) EvilBob: release notes errata? (21:31:19) ***stickster praises EvilBob for speaking up (21:31:53) EvilBob: sorry I am sick as a dog (21:32:10) EvilBob: I can't swallow anything (21:32:20) stickster: Yeesh (21:32:33) EvilBob: so I have done nothing to get read for that (21:32:38) EvilBob: ready (21:32:52) EvilBob: what should/can be done? (21:33:35) stickster: First we need a dump to CVS, yes quaid ? (21:33:42) stickster: *shudder* (21:34:30) EvilBob: do we call the current wiki "good enough" and sift through the bugs and emails for a future errata release? (21:35:36) elliss: Is there anything serious that requires a quick update, or could it wait until after FUDCon. (21:35:41) elliss: ? (21:35:55) stickster: I think quaid wanted to work on it on the plane from CA to Boston (21:36:04) EvilBob: stickster: correct (21:36:26) stickster: EvilBob: I only see 6 bugs open in our time frame we're worried about (21:36:43) EvilBob: stickster: ok that should be easy enough (21:37:09) stickster: At the BZ front page, just enter "release-notes" in the search field, that should give you the whole list... I'm looking at the 6 bugs that are > 180000 (21:37:33) ***stickster is worried that ID's are meaningful to him. Time to have neon "G" on forehead gold-plated (21:40:05) stickster: EvilBob: Just fixed a bug :-) (21:40:13) elliss: I don't think we can action 187080 (21:40:36) elliss: Without confirmation from someone who actual has access to this hardware (21:40:50) stickster: I asked Paul N. for this, but I don't think he's put anything in. (21:41:01) stickster: So yes, you're 100% correct (21:41:57) elliss: 185788 I'm struggling to follow (21:42:09) elliss: PostgreSQL update instructions (21:42:21) elliss: Lots of words here (21:42:44) stickster: I think it's kind of a red herring. We're saying, before you update, go to postgresql.org and read the instructions there. (Those instructions include backing up.) (21:42:53) EvilBob: i do not know why that was repoened (21:43:01) stickster: The reporter wants us to put the instructions "back up first" in the text. (21:43:21) stickster: I don't see a point. We are telling people, GO READ THE EXPERTS' DOCS before you do this. (21:43:31) stickster: I don't understand the need to gild the lily. (21:43:45) elliss: Because people don't read manuals (21:43:59) elliss: Even DBAs, who should know better (21:44:01) stickster: People who depend on their databases do. Ask any Oracle guy :-) (21:44:06) EvilBob: this is old (21:44:09) EvilBob: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=180570 (21:44:16) stickster: I guess we know different DBAs! :-D (21:44:41) elliss: Different scales of DBA, probably (21:44:41) EvilBob: Version of release notes this bug refers to: (21:44:41) EvilBob: Fedora Core 4 final release (21:44:48) stickster: EvilBob: That's misfiled (21:44:48) ***quaid reads his buffer between phone calls (21:44:53) stickster: It shouldn't be a relnotes bug (21:45:08) elliss: kabooki dance. ? (21:45:53) elliss: Close with "file bug again if you still have problems on FC5" ? (21:45:54) stickster: Hehe (21:46:02) quaid: 185788 shouldn't have been reopened but I don't know how to not piss off the reporter at this point. (21:46:04) stickster: No (21:46:12) stickster: 180570 is only coming up because of the subject line (21:46:21) stickster: It's filed correctly against pilot-link after FDP intervention (21:46:32) stickster: I just changed the subject line, should be out of any related list now (21:46:52) stickster: quaid: Sorry, I should have taken you off the CC list at the same time (21:47:09) quaid: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/ReleaseNotes/TrackingPage (21:47:17) quaid: for master bug tracking links, btw (21:48:02) stickster: #186467 now closed too... done on wiki already (21:48:03) elliss: Very handy. (21:48:35) elliss: 186251: We have a Wiki document that we could link to (21:48:53) quaid: I'll take the wiki snapshot before I go to bed tonight, so it's latest as possible (21:49:10) stickster: Jeebus, does PostgreSQL ever *NOT* break their own format? (21:49:17) stickster: #166916 (21:49:28) elliss: Every major release (21:49:37) elliss: (Not point releases) (21:51:06) elliss: "Basically this is something that has to be mentioned in the release notes every time we update to a new major Postgres release. " (21:51:22) EvilBob: lol (21:51:22) elliss: That's a senior Postgres developer. (21:51:39) EvilBob: Ok so are we covered? (21:52:11) stickster: I would think so (21:52:12) EvilBob: quaid: will take the snap shot and clean up while on the plane (21:52:38) EvilBob: then we push to translation with a due date of next thursday the 14th (21:53:12) EvilBob: we will then publish the errata on Friday as promised (21:53:56) EvilBob: I like the idea of a "fedora-release-notes" package for FC6, any opinons? (21:53:58) stickster: OK, we're down to only three open bugs against current relnotes specifically: the postgresql one, the CD/DVD burn info, and the ppc64 stuff (21:55:05) stickster: EvilBob: Someone's going to have to design a package-building Makefile then (21:55:31) EvilBob: stickster: I suppose that would be true (21:56:06) Sonar_Gal [n=aglaser ip70-174-58-25 hr hr cox net] entered the room. (21:56:07) elliss: stickster: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/BurningDiscs (21:56:14) stickster: EvilBob: Hang on... on second thought... (21:56:43) stickster: elliss: Yeah, I've edited that myself just recently :-) (21:56:46) EvilBob: stickster: I know little in this area, is it worth it to have an update to the release-notes on the users system? (21:56:51) stickster: elliss: But it needs info for Linux users too (21:56:57) stickster: (at least, to address the bug) (21:57:10) elliss: I can add text for GNOME (21:57:24) elliss: I'm out of touch with KDE (21:57:31) stickster: elliss: Maybe you can get nman64 to do something for KDE, I know he uses it (21:57:59) EvilBob: hell add text how to to it from the CLI and call it good (21:58:14) stickster: EvilBob: I'm wrong, we may be able to use existing build system... relevant: "MAY" :-) (21:58:24) elliss: EvilBob: That's a harder problem (21:58:25) EvilBob: stickster: sure (21:58:46) elliss: Device names aren't guaranteed to be consistent (21:58:53) EvilBob: stickster: FC6 is far enough out I am not worried about logistics yet (21:58:53) stickster: If we use existing build stuff, then we make it "fedora-doc-release-notes" and it can Requires: fedora-doc-common (21:59:04) stickster: It'll be here before we know it ;-D (21:59:30) EvilBob: stickster: I was looking for opinions in general for the idea (21:59:36) stickster: elliss: Exactly... and I would bet that people who are using CLI to burn CDs don't need the instructions (21:59:51) stickster: My opinion is, "sure" :-D (22:00:02) stickster: We just need to coordinate with Jeremy (22:00:35) EvilBob: this actually came from a question when I did my FC5 Intro to my Lug (22:01:55) elliss: What was the question asked ? (22:02:44) rajesh left the room (quit: Nick collision from services.). (22:02:45) EvilBob: why are the release notes not updated (22:03:07) stickster: To which you answered...? (22:03:07) rranjan [n=rranjan 202 41 228 162] entered the room. (22:03:21) elliss: Ah. I think that many people don't look at the Web site (22:03:43) elliss: (fedora.redhat.com) (22:04:02) stickster: Well, we've made it easier to find the updates... this time around, the link to the updates is at the very top of the release notes in a yellow box :-D (22:04:38) elliss: We need to bring back those que cards that used to appear during the installation (22:04:41) Sopwith left the room (quit: "Leaving"). (22:04:49) elliss: "Read our Web site" (22:04:51) stickster: I think the Marketing people are working on that (22:04:54) elliss: "Please" (22:05:16) stickster: They are supposed to come to us for editing assistance when they have something figured out (22:05:44) elliss: Cool. I really liked the older Red Hat ones (22:05:58) stickster: Me too (22:05:58) elliss: "Red Hat Linux: network duct tape" (22:06:14) stickster: Is it my imagination, did FC1 and/or FC2 have them? (22:06:22) elliss: Yes... (22:06:36) elliss: The last one just had one card (22:06:37) stickster: It would be a lot easier for people to produce them if the SVG's for the art were freed (22:06:44) stickster: In the meantime we can use Tango art, I suppose (22:07:13) stickster: Anyway, I'm going OT, sorry (22:07:13) StillBob: Sorry phone call (22:07:52) StillBob: My answer was "I don't know, the website is our place for errata now" (22:08:09) stickster: StillBob: Always has been, ever since RHL actually (22:08:16) StillBob: Yup (22:09:04) StillBob: If it not a big project to push updates, I say lets go for it, ,if it is a lot more work then we will keep doing things as we have in the past (22:09:26) StillBob: as the EiC that is my possition (22:09:29) StillBob: LOL (22:09:53) stickster: With the much smaller number of bugs this time compared to FC4, I would say we may not have to do another errata after this (22:09:53) elliss: It's really the fedora-release package maintainer's call, I think (22:10:28) stickster: Right... plus there is an added wrinkle; if we use the existing build system for relnotes, that implies that fedora-doc-common has to be in Core as well (22:10:34) stickster: You can't have something in Core depending on something in Extras (22:10:50) elliss: That scuppers it then (22:10:58) elliss: Can't fool around with Core now (22:11:04) stickster: Well sure, for FC5 (22:11:09) EvilBob: elliss: jkatz sounded interested in the idea (22:11:10) stickster: We're talking about FC6 at this point anyway (22:11:27) elliss: Ah. (22:11:55) elliss: Context switch (22:11:58) EvilBob: planning for the future (22:11:59) stickster: heh (22:12:01) elliss: Didn't folllow (22:12:11) stickster: We're contextual butterflies (22:12:16) EvilBob: sorry about that (22:12:30) EvilBob: FC5 is what it is (22:12:38) EvilBob: FC6 will be better IMO (22:12:47) EvilBob: I hope (22:12:52) stickster: All right, if there's nothing further, I need to go help my daughter get on FC5 downstairs so she can play (22:12:52) elliss: It will be godlike (22:12:56) elliss: :) (22:13:13) EvilBob: </meeting>? (22:13:53) stickster: FC5 is awesome IMHO, so FC6 will be the dog's bollocks (22:14:08) stickster: quaid: What do you say, sir? (22:14:14) quaid: aye (22:14:16) quaid: </meeting> -- Stuart Ellis stuart elsn org Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ GPG key ID: 7098ABEA GPG key fingerprint: 68B0 E291 FB19 C845 E60E 9569 292E E365 7098 ABEA
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