(21:06:24) quaid: <meeting> (21:08:11) quaid: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/FedoraDocsSchedule (21:08:13) quaid: for reference (21:08:35) quaid: maybe we can have a FUDCon et al Q &A at the end to be sure gavin gets a chance to hear in (21:08:40) quaid: megacoder has an away sign, too (21:09:04) elliss_athome: Do we have a quorum, then ? (21:09:26) stickster: tcf_home: Are you available? (21:09:57) stickster: (we have 3 of the 5 active FDSCo here...) (21:10:15) stickster: Besides, ghenry counts (21:10:19) stickster: that's 4 :-) (21:10:37) elliss_athome: That'll do, then :) (21:11:14) quaid: aye (21:11:28) quaid: irc is great because you can walk away and still be "attending" (21:11:45) ignacio [n=ivazquez fedora/ignacio] entered the room. (21:11:48) quaid: so, we need to hear if megacoder has had any luck with the DocsRawhide (21:11:56) stickster: I talked to him earlier... not yet (21:12:02) quaid: ok (21:12:06) stickster: He is still working on getting access straightened out with nman64 (21:12:15) quaid: or elliot? (21:12:21) stickster: Maybe both (21:12:25) stickster: (or either) (21:12:26) quaid: ok (21:12:30) stickster: But it's in process (21:12:36) quaid: cool (21:12:57) nman64: Actually, he's got the access now. (21:13:15) quaid: so about packaging, it was way cool to see the About Fedora in FC5 (21:13:52) stickster: I think mclasen did that... I love pushing it 'cos I transcribed the text (21:14:16) stickster: I submitted the XML and either he or rstrode, or someone on the Desktop team, fixed the menu part that I couldn't get right (21:15:19) quaid: cool (21:15:31) stickster: I still don't know how they did it :-| (21:15:34) quaid: :( (21:15:43) ***stickster hasn't quite got the hang of fd.o menuing (21:16:05) quaid: stickster: do you think it's time for you to pull in an assistant for docs packaging? (21:16:13) stickster: Actually, I have it working again (21:16:16) quaid: that is, do you want to start to hand off any of that yet (21:16:17) stickster: I am finishing the commits right now (21:16:18) quaid: :D (21:16:29) quaid: I want to make sure you plate is re-balanced (21:16:39) quaid: "you plate, you plate!" (21:17:06) stickster: When you fix these things, you find that you make a *whole lotta* changes that you need to go back and revisit one by one to see what you changed, why, and whether it should be checked in separately for sanity (21:19:03) stickster: You should see commits flying to the list over the next few minutes :-) (21:19:20) quaid: cool (21:19:40) quaid: ok, about wiki2xml ... (21:20:15) quaid: patrick and I tweaked the xmlbeats script enough to do more by itself (21:20:24) quaid: with a little more smarts built into it, we can almost make it automated. (21:20:28) quaid: the only catches are the admonitions (21:20:41) ***ghenry covered in sick :-( Ben didn't like his bottle. May be a while longer. (21:20:49) quaid: po' Ben (21:21:39) quaid: anyway, I think we need to convene a group outside of this one and see where to progress (21:22:06) stickster: We should probably be thinking ahead to Plone as well, which will be the CMS uebersite at some point (21:22:06) quaid: if mspevack or someone comes up with developer resources, we can code a good solution and maybe present the world with a sane Wiki front-end to DocBook (21:22:20) stickster: Maybe there's a plugin for this... dunno (21:22:23) quaid: right, but I assume it handles build/rendered docs (21:22:28) quaid: ok, worth checking (21:22:50) elliss_athome: There's Silva, but I don't think it does DocBook as such (21:22:59) quaid: Bob-Laptop: can you take charge of wrangling a meeting with you, me, nman64, and anyone else to see where to go next? (21:24:48) stickster: or EvilBob, BobJensen :-) (21:25:03) ***stickster envisions multiple klaxon bells going off at Bob's place (21:25:37) quaid: ok, we can finish with that item in that I want to take the work out of this meeting, and bob is leading as the EiC (21:26:18) quaid: anything else on that one? (21:28:24) quaid: ok (21:28:30) quaid: on to the trans process (21:28:45) quaid: Sopwith: ping (21:29:00) quaid: we need to talk about moving trans CVS from elvis -> cvs.fedora (21:29:19) quaid: I think Fedora Trans is going to have to rely upon Fedora Infrastructure to make that happen (21:29:21) quaid: there are two parts;l (21:29:22) quaid: : (21:29:25) Sopwith: quaid: What's up (21:29:27) quaid: 1. CVS itself (21:29:33) quaid: Sopwith: fedora trans cvs :) (21:29:35) quaid: and (21:29:43) quaid: 2. the cgi-bin webapp at i18n.redhat.com (21:29:53) quaid: for scheduling/locking strings for trans (21:30:17) quaid: Sopwith: I don't know if Fedora Trans has contacted you about this? (21:30:20) Sopwith: The webapp has been the sticking point. If you will persuade the right people to open that code up, I think I have a volunteer who'd like to work on it. (21:30:28) Sopwith: I've gone in a few circles with bgroh about it. (21:30:54) Sopwith: The webapp also takes care of maintaining the account DB, and that needs to be migrated to the Fedora Account System. (21:31:21) Sopwith: It's just a ball of wax that hasn't been screaming for my attention, so I've gotten away with ignoring it for a while. It needs someone (else) who will push it forward. (21:31:59) quaid: ok (21:32:09) ***quaid sends email on the subject (21:32:56) Sopwith: Getting pgampe and other right people to OK opening it up seems like the most immediate task. bgroh wanted me to write up a long proposal about it, but I got kind of put off by the idea of having to propose open-sourcing our software. (21:33:10) quaid: no doubt (21:33:30) quaid: Sopwith: would you say that without open sourcing it, there is 0% chance of it migrating? (21:33:35) ***stickster tilts head like RCA dog (21:33:55) quaid: or 0% chance of Fedora Infrastructure helping? (21:34:05) Sopwith: 0% chance of Fedora Infrastructure helping... (21:34:27) quaid: cool (21:34:32) quaid: well, wait (21:34:42) quaid: would FI have a piece of non-FOSS code on cvs.fedora? (21:34:49) Sopwith: (Not 0%, just that without open source, I'm the only one that can really do much, and frankly it's low on my personal TODO list) (21:35:11) Sopwith: Well, practically speaking it's not even worth arguing about the license on this small piece of software (21:35:23) Sopwith: So putting it on cvs.fedora would effectively open source it (21:35:28) quaid: ok (21:35:50) Sopwith: But from a political perspective, I get the feeling we need to get someone to make the decision. (21:35:59) quaid: I'll start with mhideo (21:36:32) Sopwith: coo (21:36:33) Sopwith: l (21:37:29) quaid: ok, I'll send that in a few minutes, I'll Cc: you for input if asked (21:37:31) quaid: thanks (21:37:42) quaid: ok, about FOP et al (21:38:22) quaid: I've been in contact with the GNU Classpath maintainer and he is interested in starting a testing project with them, and I'm going to launch it as part of devnation.redhat.com (21:38:52) quaid: the classpath people are always steps ahead of the packagers, and need to get some collaboration with packagers so stuff works more smoothly. (21:39:27) quaid: so, we'll use this collaborative space to help us collaborate with FDP, Fedora Extras, and GNU Classpath folks, and start with FOP first. (21:39:30) quaid: does that make sense? (21:39:56) elliss_athome: Yes. (21:40:13) quaid: yay! (21:40:18) ***quaid made sense today (21:40:25) elliss_athome: I presume that you can give CollabNet access to whoever needs it (21:40:32) [splinux] [n=splinux fedora/splinux] entered the room. (21:40:33) quaid: yep (21:40:43) [splinux]: re (21:40:48) quaid: yo (21:41:03) elliss_athome: Do we have to worry about CLA etc. for non-Fedora folks? (21:41:14) quaid: I'm working on that for devnation.r.c, yes (21:41:24) quaid: we'll have something in place that works (21:41:44) quaid: interestingly, the click-through CLA sounds OK as of the lawyer I talked with this morning, so I hope to make it easier. (21:41:57) [splinux]: re quaid, fedoraplanet is now avalaible in a lot of languages (21:42:17) quaid: I'll make more noise about FOP when we are closer to being ready (21:42:26) quaid: [splinux]: pretty cool, eh? (21:43:14) ***quaid cheers because that oversized hackergotchi was fixed (21:43:21) quaid: ok, and .. Doc Guide (21:43:22) [splinux]: quaid, ...a new step for fedora (21:43:24) quaid: *ouch* (21:43:44) ***quaid hopes to publish eitch's Fedora Guide in original pt_BR as well (21:43:52) quaid: [splinux]: yes, first of many (21:44:24) elliss_athome: Fedora Guide? (21:44:27) quaid: stickster: I get the feeling that the "just do it ourselves" approach might hurt this time (21:44:33) stickster: quaid: Me too (21:45:08) stickster: I thought I had sent you an outline of possible organization... had you given that any thought? (21:45:09) quaid: elliss_athome: I've only see it in pt_BR, naturally it needs an editor, etc., but it's a generic introduction to Fedora iirc (21:45:24) quaid: stickster: probably did, back then (21:45:25) ***quaid looks (21:46:02) quaid: right (21:46:14) quaid: stickster: I think the only thing I'd add is Wiki under Tools (21:46:23) stickster: OK (21:46:26) ghenry: Made it (21:46:34) ghenry: that was gross. Nuff said. (21:46:39) stickster: ghenry: :-D (21:47:09) stickster: quaid: I am going to do this then: (21:47:14) stickster: 1. Float outline by list (21:47:43) stickster: 2. When outline is hammered out, branch documentation-guide (21:47:54) stickster: 3. Get rid of old stuff in HEAD (21:47:57) stickster: 4. Check in skeleton (21:48:06) stickster: 5. Open wiki for drafting (21:48:19) stickster: As the wiki gets completed we can check stuff into CVS and *remove* it from the wiki (21:48:24) quaid: making stub/skeleton pages? (21:48:27) quaid: ah, ok (21:48:47) stickster: We could also mark the pages in some fashion directing people to cvs.fedora.redhat.com if need be (21:49:01) stickster: s/mark the/mark the completed/ (21:49:22) stickster: Then everyone can pitch in, methinks (21:49:31) stickster: How does that sound? (21:50:32) elliss_athome: Q: Are you basically starting from clean ? (21:50:40) stickster: Yup (21:50:45) elliss_athome: OK. (21:50:55) stickster: The old one is so out of date it didn't make a lot of sense to try and hammer it into the new shape (21:51:20) elliss_athome: Don't need to worry about importing text to Wiki then :) (21:51:36) stickster: disco (21:54:07) quaid: brb, restarting xchat (21:54:10) quaid left the room (quit: "G.T.F.O.O.D."). (21:54:47) quaid [n=quaid fedora/quaid] entered the room. (21:56:09) quaid: back (21:56:24) quaid: stickster: ok, that's a good plan (21:56:40) stickster: Oh god, you got back just in time! When you disappeared, everyone started EATING BRANES!!! (21:57:05) stickster: I had to kill seven of Bob's extra aliases with a stake to the head (21:57:21) quaid: *whew* (21:57:38) quaid: now we can talk about last week, if anyone in FDSCo or the channel has questions of me or stickster (21:58:23) elliss_athome: Is there a movie/transcript of your talk? (21:58:40) elliss_athome: Been offline for a few days (21:58:42) stickster: Thankfully, no (21:58:42) Sopwith left the room (quit: "Leaving"). (21:58:44) stickster: :-D (21:59:05) quaid: yep, they ran off to see Jeremy do his FC6 Dance (21:59:06) elliss_athome: All evidence destroyed :) ? (21:59:09) quaid: which I want to see :) (21:59:22) quaid: yeah, our talk was small, but I'm thinking in general. (21:59:24) stickster: We had an interesting talk about marketing for about 25 minutes in the middle, though, that I hope the principals will bring to f-marketing-l (21:59:30) quaid: I mean, about the foundation news, new board, etc. (21:59:34) quaid: yep (22:00:53) stickster: I think next FUDCon, we should hand out free condoms at our talk (22:01:05) stickster: Maybe we can get them logo'd :_D (22:02:39) quaid: "Here's your little blue hat." (22:02:45) stickster: HA!!! (22:02:50) quaid: *wink wing* (22:03:31) EvilBob: Hi Guys (22:03:36) EvilBob: Just walked in (22:03:43) ***stickster will wait till after meeting for the rest of this OT (22:03:46) EvilBob: I see all my machiens flashing (22:03:48) quaid: EvilBob: I'll recap at why we said you rname (22:04:11) quaid: EvilBob: just asked if you could convene a meeting with you, me, Patrick, others about the wiki2xml or whatever for the Beats (22:04:28) quaid: we might want to ask the Board for resources to code up a better world from Moin Moin (22:04:29) BobJensen: Ok When should we target that? (22:04:39) quaid: sooner we start ... (22:04:54) quaid: I put up the end of this month as a time to have a plan by (22:05:37) BobJensen: OK Let me craft and email and get it sent out, Bob, Karsten. Patrick, Elliot, Tommy, Paul .... anyone else? (22:05:51) quaid: that's probably enough (22:06:04) quaid: we can even have it as part of our FDSCo meeting next week (22:06:15) quaid: since we know most/all of us are available at that time. (22:06:32) BobJensen: OK I will get that out here shortly, what is the status for the R-N Errata? (22:06:59) BobJensen: Or is that on hold for right now? (22:07:04) quaid: no, just slowed on me (22:07:11) quaid: I committed about 40% of it, just a few more hours to go (22:07:25) quaid: it's pretty straightforward from here, if anyone has time to pick i tup (22:07:40) BobJensen: Can we Publish EN, and then publish the translations as they are available? (22:07:41) ***quaid makes sure he put the to-do-fc5-errata in release-notes/xmlbeats (22:07:46) quaid: yes (22:08:01) BobJensen: OK I think that will make mether happy (22:08:06) BobJensen: and me also (22:08:45) BobJensen: quaid: so if we can publish the EN by Friday I am OK with that (22:09:00) BobJensen: we will get the others as available (22:10:26) BobJensen: I will get an updated email about that sent also today (22:10:33) quaid: ok (22:11:01) BobJensen: anything more? (22:12:04) quaid: nope (22:12:06) quaid: </meeting> -- Stuart Ellis stuart elsn org Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ GPG key ID: 7098ABEA GPG key fingerprint: 68B0 E291 FB19 C845 E60E 9569 292E E365 7098 ABEA
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