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Re: Please rebuild your packages in the development tree of Fedora Extras

On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 16:00 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:51:17 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:

> > Nevertheless it had been much better than what is being tried now.
> Maybe you've got that false impression,
False? What didn't work out in the end?

Also, the effective situation is not any different from that with FC4,
fedora.us etc.. The only real difference is "maintainers have access to
the build system".

> > >  btw, since some packagers
> > > performed major version upgrades shortly after the rebuilds had been done.
> > Packagers perform major upgrades when they "happen". 
> >
> > In some cases it's a random point in time, in some cases it's the mass
> > rebuild co-incing with "last minute" updates. It has happened and it
> > will happen again, you can't prevent it, and I don't see any reason why
> > one would want to prevent it.
> Once more, this is poor theory.

Do you think so? From my experience, "last minute changes/updates" are
the number one cause of most severe bugs.

>  This is not about prevention, but about
> wasted efforts and lack of coordination.
The mass rebuild is wasted effort, and trying to let it be performed by
maintainers IS ineffective and uncoordinated.

>  Package maintainers need to learn
> about their dependencies within Extras/Core and coordinate required
> rebuilds with eachother.
I would not be opposed to this, if the infrastructure was in place - it
is not.

> What I see is the following:
> A signal has been sent. It's time to prepare for Fedora Extras 5. It's
> packager's responsibility to update/upgrade where necessary. 
Note the last word of your sentence !!!! This is a completely different
message than that being communicated by FIASCO.

I see it as follows:

Some people don't seem to have understood the difference between
bootstrapping a distro from scratch and incrementally building a distro.

FE has been built incrementally without having the appropriate
infrastructure/QA in place. Now some people try to "clean up the mess"
by shooting with the proverbial canon at the proverbial
sparrows" (German proverb).

In the end you will be facing a similar mess as before, some things will
be have been ironed out but new ones will be introduced, because the
appropriate infrastructure still is not available.


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