[Fwd: [WBEL-devel] Rebuilt Progeny RPMs for RHL 7.2/7.3/8.0]
Christian Pearce
pearcec at commnav.com
Fri Jan 16 19:32:57 UTC 2004
Progeny is trying to make money in a closed end market. It is really not a good business investment. Moving forward I think Fedora Legacy has a future with Fedora Core EOLs. Is progeny planning to do the same? Doubt it. Will them make money on 7.2-9 long after Fedora Legacy leaves it behind? Maybe. Are they going to find it increasingly more difficult? yes. For the same reasons we will choose to stop supporting it. Can they charge more money as they go? Sure why not. Will we see people move from Progeny to FedoraLegacy and vice-versa? Yes. Does my company want to spend money on this? No they can spend my hours helping with the project since that money already exists. It is a soft value.
I can't blame progeny for doing it, I would do the exact same thing if I was that company. They are already set up for it.
As fars this WBEL stuff. Cool like like to have some else shoulders to look over. Only as a verification. Personally I enjoy going through the process. Makes me feel more confident about what I am putting on my systems.
Are group is always going to be a little behind. Let's face facts. I think we will always have an example of some sort to work with.
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Christian Pearce
http://www.commnav.com
Ray Ferguson said:
>
> Technically the sources are GPLed so the provider never has to have a
> subscription or SLA of any kind to be entitled to the source code.
> Additionally WBEL scrubs the source of trade marks prior to recompile, so you
> can use WBEL without voiding RHEL SLAs. Same goes for progeny. However, I
> agree with you that using these products reduces the incentive for the
> companies to continue releasing and maintaining the products. Personally I'm
> leaning heavily towards using Progeny, but if we do so, it will be under
> straightforward terms. We will pay for every box that uses the RPMs even
> though we will be maintaining our own repository and could get away with
> hell. The reason is quite simple. $60/yr per box is affordable, and if
> enough people pay it, Progeny will make money and continue providing the
> service.
>
> Now WBEL on the other hand, I do use at home for development and
> experimentation. At work, in production, we pay for it. It's also good for
> academia. RH's refusal to reduce their rates and offer RHEL under affordable
> terms to academic institutions already excludes those potential consumers who
> now must find alternate solutions. I should think RH would be better off
> with those consumers then using WBEL instead of SUSE, Mandrake, Debian or
> another alternative. This way they still can maintain mind-share they way
> they formerly did with the standard RH line. Most of the customers RHEL is
> targeting won't touch WBEL anyway since support for it is an unknown and
> though it may be technically legal, it smells sketchy. I think RH has
> already realizes that WBEL is not a threat, and that it may even be good for
> RHEL. This would explain why they haven't made any efforts to F* w/ WBEL.
>
> Sorry if my 2 cents is a little off topic.
>
> BTW:
>
> 1. Ray Ferguson
> 2. Madison, WI
> 3. Operations Engineer
> 4. Berbee
> 5. Goals: provide migration solution.
> 6. Qualifications: unimportant as I do not have time to contribute. I will let
> you know if this changes.
>
> -ray.
>
> On Friday 16 January 2004 12:19 pm, Chris Spencer wrote:
> > Things like that will probably make sure progeny makes no effort to
> > continue the service.
> >
> > Besides which it does actually violate the SLA that the subscribers
> > agree to so whoever chooses to provide updates in this way can be cut
> > off from updates from Progeny.
> >
> > The same is true for whitebox Linux.
> >
> >
> > -Chris
> >
> > On Fri, 2004-01-16 at 12:01, Jason wrote:
> > > This is interesting, in that it'll give us a bit of insight into how
> > > progeny handles these updates.. and their src.rpm's may be valuable to
> > > verify patches that we apply from other sources. But, I think we should
> > > resist the temptation to merely copy their work. After all, when FC1
> > > eol's we'll certainly need to be able to stand on our own merit.
> > >
> > > -jason
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 07:43:41PM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote:
> > > > Thought you folks might be interested...
> > > >
> > > > - Panu -
> > > >
> > > > -----Forwarded Message-----
> > > > From: Ryan Finnie <ryan at finnie.org>
> > > > To: whitebox-devel at beau.org
> > > > Subject: [WBEL-devel] Rebuilt Progeny RPMs for RHL 7.2/7.3/8.0
> > > > Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 04:34:49 -0800
> > > >
> > > > http://oss.redundant.com/pub/party-updates/
> > > >
> > > > I'm taking the white box linux approach for the update RPMs that
> > > > Progeny is releasing for EOL'd RHL releases. If you still have some
> > > > 7.2/7.3/8.0 boxes around (as I do), this should help you out.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, yum rocks. I don't know why I haven't played with it until
> > > > recently.
> > > >
> > > > RF
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