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Re: lwn article on the death of Fedora Legacy



On Friday 20 October 2006 13:58, Eric Rostetter wrote:
> First, my interest doesn't really fit there.  It is in testing what is
> in updates-testing (which is nothing).  If there was something in
> updates-testing to test, I would test it and report the results.

Its tough to get to updates-testing without the pre-work done.  So thats where 
we need the help right now.

> Secondly, I've offered to help many times with other infrastructure issues,
> and been turned down over and over.

Where?  When?  You refused to use IRC, you've refused to even try to get a 
wiki account.

> Third, when I've tried to help test packages before updates-testing, I
> met with lots of trouble.  Someone: "No, you have to do this, this way, not
> that way!" Me: "Okay, where's that documented?"  Someone: "No where."
> Me: "Okay, I'll document that and resubmit"  Someone: "No, you still missed
> Step X".  Me: Okay, where is that documented?  Someone: "No where."  
> Me: "Okay,
> I'll document that..."  And so on.  Eventually of course, my documentation
> is no longer good because it is a web page and now it should all be wiki,
> and I don't have access to the wiki.  By the time I finally get access to
> the wiki, I've lost interest.

When did you try to get a wiki account?  We always welcome more documentation.

> Third, I had a big project that took about a year of my life, during which
> I could not spend a lot of time of FL work.  That is over now, and I could
> go back to working on FL again, but I really don't see where I'm needed
> now.

I've outlined what help we need.

> The fact that I only have one FC machine to play with (FC 3 x86_64 now,
> could upgrade to FC4 or what ever if needed) doesn't help.  I'm willing
> to put it towards FL work if you tell me what you need me to do.
>
> But you can't expect me to do everything any more than I expect you to do
> everything.  And as long as you keep refusing my offers to help saying
> you'll do it yourself, you won't get many unsolicited offers from me,
> so you better start soliciting if you want anything.
>
> >> So, hey, here's an idea: Let's do that!  What's the hold up?
> >
> > Getting software in place.  Time.  Energy.
>
> Is there anything I can do to help, or not?

Again, I don't know, you'd have to ask Luke and / or the Infrastructure team.

>
> >> Again, could he use help with this?  If so, what kind of help?
> >> Even gentle encouragement?  Or money?  Or coding support?  Or
> >> documentation support?  Or???
> >
> > I don't know.  Email him.  Find out.  He's on the fedora infrastructure
> > team which has this listed as one of the projects.
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure
> >
> > Don't wait on me to make it happen.
>
> Is there a particular reason to contact only him instead of the whole
> infrastructure team?

Mostly because he "owns" the project.

-- 
Jesse Keating
Release Engineer: Fedora

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