Re: Why I think FC3 sucks!

[Edward Yang <neo_in_matrix fastmail fm>]

Pasha wrote:

> Edward Yang wrote:
>
> > After getting so many reply from my last post, I finally understand 
> > why the post aroused so much agitation.
> >
> > 1. It seems for some people, 'FC3 sucks' is the same as '*Linux* 
> > sucks'. But I am very sorry, I did not mean that. I just meant FC3 
> > sucks or FC3 sucks because it is worse than FC1 based on my personal 
> > experience.
> >
> > 2. Some young guys (mostly students) or even not-so-young guys (what 
> > the hell who are they?) like the feel of calling somebody *troll*, 
> > and so they seize every possible chance to show off their *skills* at 
> > name calling. That's a dark side I already know about Linux 
> > communitiy. But, please note I am not saying the *whole* Linux 
> > community is bad, I mean a small part of it.
> >
> > Okay, let me elaborate why I think FC3 sucks or FC3 is worse than 
> > FC1. Note that I did not have experience with FC2.
> >
> > 1. Installation. Well, what can I say? It is not worse, but it not 
> > any bettern than FC1. Components selection is still very difficult.
>
>
> This is a matter of personal preference. For me, FC installation looks 
> pretty easy - much easier than any version of Windows i tried.
>
> > 2. FC3 could not start into X in Virtual PC. It spews out tons of 
> > error messages complaining something that actually should not have 
> > caused its failure. So I have to download a temporary patch from 
> > http://vpc.visualwin.com/. See page 
> > http://vpc.visualwin.com/Notes/FedoraCore.3.Final.html.
>
>
> Sorry, but this is a problem in virrtual PC and has nothing to do with 
> Fedora, no matter the reason. There are a lot of windows apps that 
> don't run in wine of Crossover Office. Is it right to say that these 
> apps suck?
>
> > 3. After several times of kernel updating (at least 3), I finally can 
> > boot into X from the so called official kernel provided by FC3.
> >
> > 4. It is hopelessly slower than FC1! I could run FC1 with only 128mb 
> > memory and don't feel much sluggishness. I now run FC3 with 164mb 
> > memory, but it is visibly slower than FC1! Application startup time 
> > is almost unbearable.
>
>
> I didn't try FC1, but on my machine, both FC2 and FC3 run 
> significantly faster than RH9. When I installed FC2, it really made me 
> feel that somehow it upgraded my CPU. Your problem may be eithere 
> poorly supported hardware or, most probably, bad emulation in virtual pc
>
> > 5. I am a newbie on Linux, but I already find a few bugs. For 
> > example, in gnome-termial, if I set DEL to ASCII DEL in the profile 
> > settings, it actualy acts like BACKSPACE. This bug may be specific 
> > only to gnome, but since it's bundled with FC3, so I attribute the 
> > problem to FC3. It's quite reasonable.
>
>
> Never had such problem with any version of linux i tried. Either stop 
> tweaking options you don't understand or (again) it is an emulator 
> that needs tweaking. BTW, in my terminal, backspace is configured to 
> generate ASCII DEL, and del to escape sequence and I never changed 
> this. So, you probably just configured del to be a backspace.

What do you define the word 'bug' in software world? In my dictionary, 
bug at least means one thing - it does not work as it should to work. 
Your above comment is like saying - that DEL option is the ears of a 
deaf, don't use it!

> > 6. I have not acurate data to prove this, but I feel the system boot 
> > up time is longer than FC1.
>
>
> Look in release notes how to disable graphical boot.
>
> > 7. This is a minor problem - I only installed kernel+gnome, no KDE. 
> > Yet it takes up more than 2gb space. What the hell? A normal Windows 
> > 2000 installation usually takes only 1.5gb even with all components 
> > selected. I forgot how much was FC1, but FC3 apparently is not doing 
> > better or even worse.
>
>
> It depends on what else you chose to install. Win2k is 1.5gb and all 
> it provides is notepad. If you learn linux programming, you probably 
> installed development tools, and some other tools - depending on what 
> you are trying to do - databases, kernel sources, etc. Also, did you 
> install stuff like OpenOffice etc.?
>
> > 8. I may think of others that attribute to this 'FC3 sucks' topic.
> >
> > Final words - I am not negating Linux. Actually I think Linux and 
> > Open Source has a very good future. That's why I am catching the new 
> > waves here.
> >
> > Thanks.