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cant get out with anything other than firefox



hi all
the internet connection is working fine - firefox and other computers access the internet ok, on all levels.
firefox is working fine, web mail is all i can use
thunderbird/evolution/irc/yum/up2date cant access the net
with selinux turned off
with the firewall turned off
no going out
loaded of dvd = the same
loaded of cd´s = the same
on two different machines
any ideas would be good please
nothing is blocked anywhere
this was awroking fedora 5, 60 minutes ago
thanks
david


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