FC5T2 ready for even a test release?
Richard Hally
rhally at mindspring.com
Fri Jan 20 04:02:19 UTC 2006
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Hi
>
>> Why do you think it keeps coming up?
>
> You are the first for this release.
This is the first release that doesn't have it. ;)
>
>>>
>>> Everything installations are generally a bad idea.
>>>
>> Generally but not always!
>> In my case, one of the things I'm doing is looking for things that
>> don't have SELinux policy that need it.
>
> What do you mean by that?
I've been using the 'strict' policy since the 'Targeted/Strict' split
and looking for things to run that will produce avc denied messages.
>
>>
>>>
>>> * Redundancy - While Fedora Core itself is slowing moving towards
>>> providing more packages as part of the Fedora Extras and possibly
>>> doing several different targets the current selection uses multiple
>>> programs that provide the same functionality, browsers or desktop
>>> environments for example and its better for users to use a graphical
>>> tool like pirut and install packages as necessary.
>>
>> For those of us that run 'rawhide' redundancy is good and it saves
>> time to have "more than one way to skin a cat" already installed.
>> Don't you want "everything" tested?
>
> Use yum to install the rest.
'yum install available' doesn't work! try it =;)
>
>>>
>>> * Security, manageability and performance - As more and more
>>> packages are installed on a system the amount of updates and
>>> interactions between the packages that the user has to handle
>>> drastically increases. For users who are using Fedora as a
>>> development system or using it just to learn Linux where the system
>>> serves no other purpose and a high amount of bandwidth is available
>>> this might make sense
>>
>> You just gave another reason to have a 'everything' option. Plus don't
>> you want to make it easier for people to test everything? I'll bet
>> there are things in FC that no one uses and never gets tested.
>
> Use yum.
see above
>
>> BTW, what are you doing to get the number of CDs back down to 4?
>
> Not a agreed upon goal AFAIK.
Just another indication of bloat or the need to move more things to Extras.
>
>>
>> but for others
>>
>>> users who use it deploy it at various levels the amount of updates
>>> and potential security issues that they have to deal with packages
>>> that they might not even use is a additional burden. Moreover the
>>> additional packages installed might need listen to network
>>> connections by default making the systems potentially more vulnerable
>>> by increasing the attack vector. Additional services enabled by
>>> default also affect performance.
>>
>> That has nothing to do with whether or not there is a 'everything'
>> option.
>
> It does. Everything opens up more services.
That for a long time produced bunches of avc denied messages.
thanks for all the good work-- It's looking good.
Richard
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