no floppy dir in /media ? bug ????
Larry tb
guess.who at freesurf.fr
Mon Mar 13 07:55:05 UTC 2006
David Timms wrote:
> Jeff Spaleta wrote:
>
>> On 3/12/06, David Timms <dtimms at bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Since floppy disk insertion aren't usually detectable, I guess you need
>>> to use a tool like Michal suggested to mount it. But I don't have a
>>> floppy drive on the couple of PC's that I have ;)
>>
>>
>> Perhaps its best not to comment if you don't have the hardware
>> configuration to do a functionality comparison.. to avoid
>> misrepresenting reality and avoid unnecessary confusion as to how
>> things currently work.
>
> Well, I guess I told a mistruth (you caught me out on that one). I do
> have a floppy disk drive (finding a floppy disk to test with it that
> doesn't have a heap of CRC errors is the hard bit)!
>
>> For my system with a floppy when running Gnome, the floppy drive shows
>> up in my Computer window and I can mount it via normal gnome
>> filemanager or panel interactions. From a gnome desktop pov this is
>> absolutely no different from fc4 experience when using gnome desktop
>> functionality.
>
> Perhaps Larry was not previously running / comparing the situation to
> fc4, but to an older or other distribution ?
Yes i were comparing the situation to fc4.
>
>> It doesn't matter that floppy media insertion can't be
>> detected...
>
> I would still state that it is the exact reason why there is no
> /media/floppy directory created / showing by default. The question from
> Larry that I was trying to answer was:
> >> There is no /media/floppy.
> >> How come this ?
Yep, now i understand. But still have a question about mounting floppy
from shell or text mode, as i wrote in the very previous mail.
>
>> gnome's file manager and gnome's disk mounter applet "see"
>> the floppy drive because hal "sees" the floppy drive. When using the
>> gnome desktop, whether the fstab entry or the mountpoint exists
>> doesn't matter.. gnome is using the information provided by hal to
>> tell the desktop user that the devices exist.
>
> Which I agree all works quite nicely, until you need to do scripted
> tasks at the commandline.
>
>> What is different, for all devices not just the floppy, is interaction
>> with mounting at the cmdline. I think its pretty clear from past
>> discussion on the list, when this changed was introduced.. that people
>> who have grown use to the previous behavior of hal and fstab-sync to
>> aid in cmdline mounting are going to be confused by the change.
>
> We could help allay any confusion and turn it into knowledge if a worked
> over response / instructions made it to release notes or fedora wiki ?
>
> <http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=mount&titlesearch=Titles>
>
>
> Having only been an oh-six newcomer to the test list, I welcome info to
> correct what I have learned so far in this thread: if we previously did:
> # mount /dev/fd0
> # cp /home/me/really-important-file /media/floppy
> # umount /dev/fd0
>
> is the suggested method now:
> # gnome-mount -d /dev/fd0
> # cp /home/me/really-important-file /media/floppy
> # gnome-umount -d /dev/fd0 ?
>
> gnome-mount is installed from gnome-mount-...rpm, and has a quite a few
> dependencies like gnome-vfs2 which needs libgnome, libbonobo and so
> forth. But it is installable / usable even if you aren't using the gnome
> desktop (for example one of my machines has only twm, and gnome-mount is
> already installed and working).
>
> If you wanted the (u)mount stuff on a minimal router/firewall install of
> fedora where you are not willing to install gnome-mount (~80k and its
> 18MB of requires), then the solution could be:
> - create the folder manually (or in the script)
> - add an entry to fstab (just to save on typing) (or give the full
> command in your script - then the script would be portable to another
> machine)
> - rest as previously performed / scripted
> ?
>
> > Let's
>
>> make sure we don't add additional confusion by giving them factually
>> deficient information when they ask for an explanation.
>
> > On 3/12/06, Michal Jaegermann <michal at harddata.com> wrote:
> >> Could you point which part was factually deficient?
> >
> > in your comments... nothing.
> >
> > In david thimms comments the discussion of the fact that the floppy
> > media insertion is not detectable by the "authomounter" is inmaterial
> > to the problem.
> The problem query was:
> >> There is no /media/floppy.
> >> How come this ?
>
> DaveT.
>
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