2009-12-14 @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting Recap

[James Laska]

Thanks to Adam Williamson for leading the meeting.  Full irc transcript
available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20091214

= Attendees =

People present (lines said)

* adamw (56)
* wwoods (23)
* jlaska (17)
* kparal (14)
* skvidal (4)

Regrets:
* [[User:Liam|Liam]]
* [[User:Rhe|Hurry]]

= Agenda =

*
[https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-December/msg00250.html Proposed meeting agenda]
*
[http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-14/fedora-meeting.2009-12-14-16.01.html meetbot summary]

== Previous meeting follow-up ==

* adamw to offer some guidance on how to handle
hardware/local_configuration specific bugs

DONE -- see
[[Blocker_Bug_FAQ#What_about_hardware_and_local_configuration_dependent_issues.3F]]

* jlaska to post recommendations on F-12 QA retrospective

INPROGRESS -- expect to have this cleaned up in the next day or so (see
[[Fedora_12_QA_Retrospective#Recommendations]]).

== Enhancing Release Criteria ==

* See [[Fedora_Release_Criteria]]
* ''Current status''

As announced on the list, we completed the initial work on the criteria
at FUDCon

* ''What's next?''

No specific plans for further release criteria action.

== Security Policy / Test Plan ==

* Initial kick-off - http://spot.livejournal.com/312216.html
* ''Current status''

Adamw reported that he took the proposal to the security team as
discussed during previous meeting, but hasn't received much feedback so
far.  Wwoods noted there was some discussion at FUDCon on instrumenting
tests to detect when security changes have likely occurred for
example ...

* new builds that use consolehelper or have suid binaries
* added or removed policykit files 

The group felt this might make sense for a future rpmguard update.

* ''What's next?''

Adamw will likely escalate the issue to FESCO for guidance. 

== AutoQA update ==

Wwoods talked about several AutoQA discussions that took place at FUDCon
Toronto.  Additionally, Will posted his slides for review (see
http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/files/AutoQA-FUDCon-Toronto-2009.odp).
Some topics of discussion included:

* distro labels for test machines
* cleaner handling of 'noarch' tests like rpmlint/rpmguard
* Future AMQP (messaging bus) support

Wwoods also make progress on packaging his side-project ...
[http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/hot-dog/ hot-dog].

=== rpmguard integration ===

* See milestone - https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/Package%
20update%20tests

Kparal completed the integration of rpmguard into autoqa (see
[https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2009-December/000047.html announcement]).  Kparal asked for feedback on the changes before he merges them.  Specifically, if there are suggestions or recommendations to the test output format, Kparal is anxious for your feedback.  Wwoods suggested collapsing similar results from different architectures into the same result.

=== deps/conflicts prevention ===

* See milestone - https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/autoqa%
20depcheck

Wwoods reiterated that not much actual *work* on autoqa, but plenty of
good discussions. I expect we'll be writing up roadmaps and tickets and
such for a while.  Will has a much clearer idea for how to proceed now
and will begin adding tickets into the trac roadmap.

=== Install automation ===

* Proposal from [[User:Liam]] and [[User:Rhe]] out for review ... see
[[Is_anaconda_broken_proposal]].

Jlaska informed the team that Liam and Hurry are looking for feedback on
the definition of the 'problem space'.  Jlaska plans to provide some
commentary later today, but invited others to share their thoughts as
well.

Jlaska suggested that a team gathering in the next week or so might be
helpful to get everyone on the same page for F-13 test plan ideas.

== Open discussion - <Your topic here> ==

=== F-13 Test Day Schedule ===

Adamw and jlaska briefly discussed the F-13 test day schedule and
intentions for reaching out to F-13 feature owners (see
[[Releases/13/FeatureList]]).

= Upcoming QA events =

* NA

= Action items =

# adamw to escalate security policy issue to fesco
# wwoods to keep an eye on plans for autoqa tests
# jlaska to set up a meeting to co-ordinate test plan changes for F13
# adamw and jlaska to look at setting up f13 test day process

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