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2009-05-06 - Fedora QA Meeting Recap



Full IRC transcript available at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20090506

= Attendees =

* adamw (Adam Williamson)
* wwoods (Will Woods)
* jlaska (James Laska)
* Pip
* viking_ice (J├│hann Gu├░mundsson)
* f13 (Jesse Keating)

= Previous meeting follow-up =

* [jlaska] - transfer autoqa tasks into TRAC instance with milestones
** Tickets filed under F11 milestone -
https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/Fedora%2011

* [wwoods] - checking for a bug about an upgrade issue
** Performing a lot of upgrade tests and working w/ dwalsh to identify
+resolve issues
** 494995 Aborting upgrade of F10 to F11-beta leaves system unbootable
** 496618 bootloader.images.getDefault() returns None
** 499321 preupgrade backtrace
** 498843 Upgrade with VNC asks for password after reboot
** 496311 Preupgrade fails  can't read kick start file

* [jlaska] - ensure the failing disk drive issue is tracked in bugzilla
and get a Release note documented for running smartctl
** No action here 
** wwoods pointed to [[rhbug:495956|495956]] Ignore some failing SMART
attributes

* [wwoods] - review F11Blocker SELinux bugs
** there's not a lot of SELinux-specific stuff that I remember from the
blocker list
** 469257 selinux policy and mozplugger do not get along

* [jlaska] - review F11Blocker anaconda bugs
** Great discussion on fedora-list and fedora-test-list this past week.
I've been working to connect reporters with developers to fast track
defect resolution
** The majority of issues seem related to dmraid and previous disk
layout integration

* [adamw] - continue review of X11 bugs and volume control issues

= Autoqa update =

* jlaska created a wiki milestone and outlined Fedora 11 tasks
(https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/Fedora%2011)
* jkeating added new conflicts detection test
* wwoods plans to revisit autoqa in the coming days

= F-11 Volume control update =

* adamw noted that pavucontrol will not be shipped by default for f11.
There will be two mixers, the new gnome-volume-control (a Pulse-style
mixer) and gst-mixer

= F-11-GA Prep =

* Blocker bug -
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=F11Blocker&hide_resolved=1       
* Schedule - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/Schedule
* First RC?  Somewhere between 2009-05-12 and 2009-05-21

= Open discussion =

== Defining Release Candidate testing ==

jlaska asked whether providing "official" test summaries around areas
tested, areas not tested, known issues would be useful for release
engineering to make a decision.  Jesse indicated he dislikes making the
release decision by himself, especially when it's late at night and no
one is around.  

jlaska asked if there is value in defining how the release candidate
phase works now?  Jesse approved and recommended a separate meeting to
discuss further.

Take aways ...
* Begin documenting how the release candidate phase works now
* Experiment during F12 with scheduled release meetings

== Needs Retesting ==

While reviewing SELinux Block bugs, jlaska asked if we had a stock
response for requesting retesting.  Adamw noted that a "please retest"
didn't yet exist in [[BugZappers/StockBugzillaResponses]].  Jesse
pointed to the RSS feed for NEEDS_TESTING bugs
(http://feeds.feedburner.com/NeedsRetesting).

This led to discussion on how Rawhide bugs work through the system.
Adamw recommended just closing as fixed when the developer checks in
something they're pretty sure fixes it.  Jesse & Will reminded that
during freezes, bugs shouldn't transition to CLOSED/RAWHIDE until the
package has been tagged for rawhide.  It was discovered that the wiki
page [[BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow]] didn't capture closing bugs for
rawhide, only stable releases.  Adam took an action item to update.

== RelEng Proposal to drop Alpha ==

viking_ice reminded that a proposal is circulating for dropping F12
Alpha.  Jesse directed folks to fedora-devel-list
(https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-May/msg00311.html) to participate in the discussion.

= Upcoming QA events =
* 2009-05-07 - [[Test_Day:2009-05-07_Virtualization|Virtualization Test
Day]]
* 2009-05-12 - [[BugZappers/Triage_days]]
* 2009-05-14 - [[Test Day:2009-05-14 iBus|iBus Test Day]]

= Action items =

* [wwoods] - write a few more upgrade cases (encrypted root upgrade)
* [adamw] - update [[BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow]] wiki page to include
MODIFED->CLOSE process for rawhide bugs during freeze

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