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Re: If there were translation teams...
- From: Josep Puigdemont <josep imatge-sintetica com>
- To: Fedora Translation Project List <fedora-trans-list redhat com>
- Subject: Re: If there were translation teams...
- Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 02:24:35 +0200
On dl, 2004-06-28 at 08:17, Bernd Groh wrote:
> Josep Puigdemont schrieb:
> >On Sat, 2004-06-26 at 08:16, Bernd Groh wrote:
> >>>If there were translation teams, and I was the coordinator of my team...
> >>Isn't that the case? Do you want to be the maintainer of all modules for
> >>catalan now or not? I haven't heard any objections, so it's yours for
> >>the taking. :)
> >I wanted to ask the other Catalan translators who are not subscribed
> >here for comments, if they had any objections, etc, in our own mailing
> >list (fedora at softcatala dot org). Although I haven't done that yet, I
> >did apply as a maintainer for dist module (I was too lazy to go over all
> >modules and apply for each one of them).
> Hmmm, I didn't get any request. :(
> I'll look into it.
I've sent you an email about this. I did the request the 26th of June,
but I'm not in a hurry about this, don't worry :)
> >>No, I didn't spot any flaws, a lot of your suggestions have already been
> >>put in place with the new system. And that exactly is it what puzzles
> >>me. Given you've just suggested a lot of things that we've just put in
> >>place with the new status pages, why again is it that it is criticized
> >>so much? Why even do people say it nullifies existing translation teams?
> >Because they are not mentioned at all, nor they seem to be encouraged,
> Well, they weren't mentioned before, and as I read it, was most of the
> critique addressed particularly against the new status pages. Or was the
> critique not addressed at the new status pages in particular, but "now"
> or "new status pages" actually referred to "then" and "since the
> beginning"? If that's the case, why not say so explicitly, why blame the
> newest change? At least then I would have understood what you are on
> about and could have simply agreed with you straight away.
For me it was not about the status pages, I was just worried about
consistency and not having teams. I obviously missled you if I made you
think otherwise. I think we agree in most of the thinks, though.
> >and because if I am a new translator I wouldn't know who to contact to
> >(GNOME tells me very clearly to check for my team's coordinator). I
> >don't think that what Christian meant was that teams can not be
> >implemented, I think he meant that teams are not needed at all, thus
> >will hardly be created, because you have to consider that translation
> >teams have lots of translators with the best intentions that get tired
> >too quickly (at least in my short experience).
> Can you understand though, that it is hard for me to tell what is meant
> if the new status pages are blamed in particular? I believe, that the
> new status pages were simply a trigger, however, I am still not entirely
Neither am I at this point!! well, summer is here and it seems that the
waters are calm again, so I'm not going to "put more wood to the fire"
(as we say).
> >If the path you're going is the path we are going, maybe we should also
> >know what the future plans are, and the direction we're taking.
> Of course, we want to get team pages up. And maybe that should be the
> next step, together with creating mailing lists for the individual
> languages. We all want that, Fedora wants that. Otherwise, I have to
How would that work for already established teams that already have
mailing lists? Should they change to a Red Hat one? Would Fedora allow
having lists outside Fedora? (our current list is fedora at softcatala
dot org, which is open to everybody)
> continue with how *I*'d do things, and that is *not* to be taken as any
> plans Fedora may have, it's what would happen if I had a say. I am not
> going to deny someone cvs access unless I have a person that I can make
> >>implemented with the new upgrade. I simply won't restrict anyone cvs
> >>access until we're fully organized, that's all. :)
> >Ok, why not speed it up a bit, then? How can we help?
> >Seems to me that the crowds want teams. Then make a poll and check if
> >that is so, and if it is, let's try to organize teams... Make a call for
> >team building, or just look who's been committing for each language to
> >find out who could be a maintainer (ask them to be maintainers, as you
> >wanted us to ask translators to become part of our teams, I know you
> >already did), or who could be a member of a team... Look the headers of
> >the po files for email addresses of translators, see if they are
> >subscribed here, maybe you could invite them to (maybe thank them for
> >their work too)...
> No poll required, I believe team pages are necessary. How you can help?
> Well, maybe you can look at who's been commiting for each language and
I'd gladly do that if it wasn't because I am on vacations on a remote
town without a regular Internet connection (I connect at night when my
GF is not looking, geeee! how was life before the Internet?! :)
> email me the list? :) Or, at least, and that's what everyone can help
> with, see who's been committing for your language, ask them to join this
> mailing list and speak up, and not just if things aren't the way they
> want them to be. And, thank you!
I think I did that, but I'll tell them again.
> >I think that whatever the methodology/system for translations is going
> >to be, it should be discussed in this list. Like I think this new method
> >should have been discussed here too before being implemented. I mean, it
> >is us (translators should be subscribed here) to whom it affect, and yet
> >we didn't know about it until it appeared (at least I didn't).
> Sounds reasonable. The participants of the individual mailing list will
What are those individual mailing lists, anyway?
> then have to post every system related issue that comes up also to this
> list though, since I couldn't do it, even if I wanted too. :) Maybe you
> can ask them to post all system related requests to this list? Thank you!
No need to cross post anything, from Fedora's web site:
"The place to discuss general translation issues is fedora-trans-list."
So let be it :)
I can't be subscribed to all mailing lists to see what's going to happen
with Fedora's translation system.
> I'll keep you up to date.
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