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FLP Meeting 2007-08-14 IRC log



Aug 14 20:29:21 *	glezos has changed the topic to: Fedora L10N meeting --
Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda
Aug 14 20:29:29 glezos	<meeting>
Aug 14 20:29:37 glezos	yay, who's here from L10n?
Aug 14 20:29:43 marek	MarekMahut
Aug 14 20:29:51 Raven46	PiotrDrÄ…g (pl)
Aug 14 20:29:57 *	marek (sk) sorry
Aug 14 20:29:58 *	MrTom (n=mrtom fedora/MrTom) has joined #fedora-meeting
Aug 14 20:29:59 glezos	DimitrisGlezos (el)
Aug 14 20:30:02 fabian_a	FabianAffolter (de)
Aug 14 20:30:03 Rasther	DiegoZacarao (pt_BR)
Aug 14 20:30:05 vpv	VillePekkaVainio (fi)
Aug 14 20:30:07 MrTom	ThomasCanniot (fr)
Aug 14 20:30:12 runa_b	RunaBhattacharjee (bn_IN)
Aug 14 20:30:50 glezos	anyone wants to chair?
Aug 14 20:31:28 glezos	also, someone to summarize & send email?
Aug 14 20:32:18 glezos	agenda is at $topic
Aug 14 20:32:31 glezos	# FUDCon presentation took place
Aug 14 20:32:45 glezos	everything went great, log was sent to the list
Aug 14 20:33:06 glezos	got a good feedback and some good ideas from other people
Aug 14 20:33:10 *	JSchmitt has quit ("Konversation terminated!")
Aug 14 20:33:11 glezos	really glad we did it!
Aug 14 20:34:17 glezos	that's it for this
Aug 14 20:34:25 glezos	(I guess)
Aug 14 20:34:26 glezos	# TQSG update
Aug 14 20:34:27 Rasther Raven46 rdieter_away Renault ricky rordway rsc runa_b
Aug 14 20:34:42 glezos	runa_b, any news from this?
Aug 14 20:35:03 runa_b	glezos: noriko is in charge..no idea from me
Aug 14 20:35:11 glezos	runa_b, oh right, sorry
Aug 14 20:35:15 MrTom	!
Aug 14 20:35:30 glezos	MrTom, go ahead
Aug 14 20:35:32 MrTom	what is TQSG ? (stupid question?) eof
Aug 14 20:35:39 glezos	translation quick start guide, sorry
Aug 14 20:35:44 glezos	we need to update it with the new information
Aug 14 20:35:48 marek	!
Aug 14 20:36:43 glezos	I think we work the meeting out without the meeting
protocol (!'s) marek, go ahead
Aug 14 20:36:58 marek	ok, I propose that "translation quick start guide" should
be add with acro. TQSG, I was looking for it today and was quite confused
because of the name.
Aug 14 20:37:36 runa_b	+1
Aug 14 20:38:07 glezos	marek, +1.. can you go ahead and change it wherever you
think we should change it?
Aug 14 20:38:18 marek	glezos: ok
Aug 14 20:38:41 glezos	It's a wiki, everyone can edit and we're monitoring the
pages so no worries
Aug 14 20:39:55 glezos	So since TQSG is a L10n doc, we could discuss a bit about it
Aug 14 20:40:21 glezos	do you think it's in good shape?
Aug 14 20:40:30 glezos	are the changes mentioned at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Tasks/TQSG OK?
Aug 14 20:40:30 *	frozty_sa has quit ("the internet is missing...")
Aug 14 20:40:58 marek	glezos: I propose to only show the full name linked off
the main page, so every new can easily find it
Aug 14 20:41:31 glezos	there was an idea to have the content on the wiki instead
of Docbook. Advantages are easy to manage/update, more contributors possibly
(like any wiki page). The disadvantage for this is that translations are harder
(no PO files).
Aug 14 20:42:17 glezos	it's a pretty important doc for our project, and it's a
bit outdated. I'm sure translations are even more outdated as well..
Aug 14 20:44:02 glezos	any thoughts on this?
Aug 14 20:44:20 marek	not from my side, I agree that it needs a re-fresh
Aug 14 20:44:50 Rasther	I guess for update wiki better, but for translator is
too bad
Aug 14 20:45:16 Raven46	-1 for tqsg on wiki, but +1 for changes on
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Tasks/TQSG
Aug 14 20:45:41 Rasther	Raven46: +1
Aug 14 20:46:36 glezos	okie
Aug 14 20:47:12 glezos	I'm +1 for having it in more translations than easily
editing it
Aug 14 20:47:37 glezos	I'll run a msgfmt --statisics and send an email to the
list for everyone to update their translations
Aug 14 20:47:51 glezos	# Organization of our modules
Aug 14 20:48:33 glezos	we don't have control on where each maintainer hosts
their software/doc
Aug 14 20:48:54 glezos	until transifex is in place (hopefully soonish) we can't
do anything about this
Aug 14 20:49:49 glezos	deployment has been delayed because of summer vacations
and security issues. For more info, see:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SummerOfCode/2007/DimitrisGlezos/Notes#deployment
Aug 14 20:51:40 glezos	comments?
Aug 14 20:52:26 glezos	Next topic: # Decide on one meeting time, most likely Tue
19UTC
Aug 14 20:52:36 glezos	runa_b, you're on this. :)
Aug 14 20:52:42 *	G (n=nigel 202 154 150 142) has joined #fedora-meeting
Aug 14 20:52:58 runa_b	glezos: well the 1100 UTC dint quite get a quorum
Aug 14 20:53:05 *	G has quit (Client Quit)
Aug 14 20:53:15 *	G (n=nigel wikipedia/NigelJ) has joined #fedora-meeting
Aug 14 20:53:23 runa_b	since the 1900 UTC time is doing fine then I guess its
best to stick on with this
Aug 14 20:53:24 glezos	runa_b, at least we tried, right?
Aug 14 20:53:29 runa_b	yup
Aug 14 20:53:31 glezos	+1 for 19
Aug 14 20:53:47 fabian_a	+1 for 19
Aug 14 20:53:53 Rasther	+1 for 19
Aug 14 20:54:00 runa_b	+1 (probable irregular attendence)
Aug 14 20:54:05 Raven46	+1
Aug 14 20:54:11 Raven46	for 19 ofc
Aug 14 20:54:26 *	nim-ni1 (n=nim-nim fedora/nim-nim) has joined #fedora-meeting
Aug 14 20:54:32 marek	+1 19h UTC
Aug 14 20:54:54 glezos	and yes, unanimous it is.
Aug 14 20:55:09 glezos	moving on?
Aug 14 20:55:10 runa_b	:)
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Aug 14 20:55:24 Rasther	yup
Aug 14 20:55:35 glezos	# Notification of Package movements between repositories
and their status.
Aug 14 20:55:46 glezos	runa_b, ?
Aug 14 20:55:49 runa_b	yup
Aug 14 20:56:18 runa_b	I am not sure if packages moved from elvis are completely
shifted to fpo or they still remain there
Aug 14 20:56:44 runa_b	and secondly..if any maintainers are moving the packages
then a standard notification ought to be sent
Aug 14 20:56:48 *	nim-ni1 (n=nim-nim fedora/nim-nim) has joined #fedora-meeting
Aug 14 20:56:52 runa_b	eof
Aug 14 20:56:56 glezos	runa_b, good idea.
Aug 14 20:57:09 *	wolfy (n=lonewolf fedora/wolfy) has joined #fedora-meeting
Aug 14 20:57:33 glezos	I think it would be good to have a wiki page explaining
what a module maintainer should do in order to have their resource handled by
the FLP
Aug 14 20:57:51 glezos	One, for example, would be to have it listed on
http://translate.fedoraproject.org/module/ with the correct information
Aug 14 20:58:50 *	G_ (n=nigel wikipedia/NigelJ) has joined #fedora-meeting
Aug 14 20:58:54 glezos	anyone interested in writing a couple of guidelines for this?
Aug 14 20:59:18 *	wolfy (n=lonewolf fedora/wolfy) has left #fedora-meeting ("Axe
me about Ebonics")
Aug 14 20:59:24 glezos	if we do have them, then we could send an email to
fedora-devel-list saying "please take a look at these guidelines and make sure
your module follows them"
Aug 14 20:59:37 runa_b	glezos: i could have volunteered but I am not thorough
with the information about the repositories
Aug 14 21:00:37 glezos	runa_b, we could all help out -- at least I'll do
whatever I can. Can you drive this through?
Aug 14 21:00:57 runa_b	glezos: umm...I can try. what end date are you looking at
Aug 14 21:01:16 glezos	runa_b, no idea, what do you think?
Aug 14 21:01:37 glezos	fabian_a, any thoughts on where we could mount this doc
on our wiki space?
Aug 14 21:01:56 runa_b	glezos: gimme one or two days to figure out how deep it
runs...perhaps we can talk on our channel sometime later this week
Aug 14 21:02:09 glezos	runa_b, great
Aug 14 21:02:23 runa_b	glezos: thanks
Aug 14 21:03:16 glezos	next topic then
Aug 14 21:03:17 glezos	Making Transifex/L10n updates a Feature for F8
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Aug 14 21:03:26 glezos	So this could be pretty important for us as a project
Aug 14 21:04:01 glezos	we've done a great deal of things
Aug 14 21:04:10 glezos	and IMO Fedora is more than just a product
Aug 14 21:05:02 glezos	it's also the community, the processes, the way we all
work. Having a non-OS feature like transifex a Feature (target) for F8 pushes
this idea forward
Aug 14 21:05:20 glezos	quaid and I drafted a page at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KarstenWade/FeatureTransifex
Aug 14 21:06:04 glezos	we called it FeatureLocalization but that's a bit too
vague as a release-specific feature
Aug 14 21:06:37 glezos	we could raise awareness for the importance of L10n and
the work we've done to get the FLP going as a full-features Project this way
Aug 14 21:06:42 vpv	+1 for this kind of stuff marked as a feature :)
Aug 14 21:06:43 glezos	what do you think?
Aug 14 21:07:09 *	nim-nim has quit (Success)
Aug 14 21:07:11 Raven46	+1 definitely :)
Aug 14 21:07:49 glezos	okey. I guess the feature proposal will be discussed in
the next RelEng meeting
Aug 14 21:08:25 glezos	any other thoughts on anything else before we close up?
Aug 14 21:08:39 glezos	Oh, it's 2 weeks until the string freeze
Aug 14 21:08:57 glezos	We need to open bug reports for any module that has
broken i18n support *before then*
Aug 14 21:09:09 Rasther	for Test2?
Aug 14 21:09:22 glezos	Rasther, for the whole F8 release!
Aug 14 21:09:28 marek	:)
Aug 14 21:09:31 glezos	See: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/Schedule
Aug 14 21:09:45 glezos	If you know a module has missing strings, open a bug
report asap!
Aug 14 21:10:07 marek	I will work hardly on sk translation these days
Aug 14 21:10:14 glezos	after August 28th the developer can't change the strings
without the approval of L10n -- see: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10n/Freezes
Aug 14 21:10:24 glezos	marek, *awesome*!
Aug 14 21:10:32 Rasther	ahh.. right..
Aug 14 21:10:33 glezos	marek, send an email to the list if you need anything
Aug 14 21:10:34 *	jwb is now known as jwb_gone
Aug 14 21:10:54 Rasther	I thought "F8 translation freeze"
Aug 14 21:11:05 marek	glezos: it's a lot of thing, and I don't know what module
to do first (I guess important are initscripts)
Aug 14 21:11:29 glezos	marek, see: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/GUI
Aug 14 21:11:50 *	marek bookmarks
Aug 14 21:12:05 *	G has quit (Connection timed out)
Aug 14 21:12:18 glezos	There's a way to check the completeness of a GUI.. One
could translate everything as "." (for example) and fire up the application..
The strings that won't be translated will show up 'cause everything else will be
dots
Aug 14 21:12:31 glezos	I did that for flpweb to make sure all strings were
marked for translation
Aug 14 21:12:42 glezos	but I guess that's a pretty big job for all our modules.
Aug 14 21:13:08 glezos	okey!
Aug 14 21:13:13 glezos	wrapping up then?
Aug 14 21:13:31 glezos	someone to send the IRC log to the list and on our page?
(please?:)
Aug 14 21:14:00 glezos	oh, </meeting>


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