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Re: Need to break string freeze for system-config-samba bugfix



Hi,

On Sat, 2007-09-08 at 14:55 +0100, Dimitris Glezos wrote:
> Στις 08-09-2007, ημέρα Σαβ, και ώρα 12:36 +0200, ο/η Nils Philippsen
> έγραψε:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On Sat, 2007-09-08 at 00:58 +0200, Xavier Conde Rueda wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > 2007/8/30, Domingo Becker <domingobecker gmail com>:
> > > > > I've already built the system-config-samba-1.2.48-1.fc8 package (didn't
> > > > > know that would violate policy). This contains a new dialog which warns
> > > > > about unknown Samba configuration options instead of throwing a
> > > > > traceback, see: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247541
> > > > >
> > > > > IMO, it would be better to keep the new string in without it being
> > > > > translated than throwing it out again.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Nils
> > > >
> > > > There is no problem for spanish locale.
> > > > But I seen yesterday that all po files vanished !
> > > > By the way, this module is not in i18n status page while it is in its cvs repo.
> > > > Translate.fpo status page seems to be showing a wrong state of this module.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Same as Domingo: where is this module, please?
> > 
> > all system-config-* modules of mine as well as hwbrowser were moved from
> > CVS on elvis/rhlinux to Mercurial repositories on
> > hosted.fedoraproject.org. This is not to annoy or confuse you, the
> > translators but part of a "bigger" plan to move wholesale to Fedora
> > infrastructure, not only for my packages but for all where we are
> > upstream (in the long run), and thus allowing for different source code
> > management (SCM) systems than CVS. I very much hope that this plan was
> > outlined in the translators circles as well.
> > 
> > I've moved my stuff sometime in July upon receiving notice of this plan
> > by Dimitris Glezos (on Cc). Another part of that plan was to move to a
> > better translation infrastructure where you translators don't need to
> > know about how to use all the SCM systems used in the various projects
> > (some still use CVS and I believe you can still commit your changes
> > directly for those, some use Subversion, some Mercurial (Hg), some git),
> > but can do the translating with one (web-based) tool ("Transifex") that
> > would deal with the projects' SCMs in the background. Much to my dismay,
> > it doesn't seem that we're there yet.
> > 
> > Dim, can you please expand on this, correct my mistakes ;-) and tell us
> > when we can expect Transifex to be in production?
> 
> Thanks for the recap Nils. Better communication with the translation
> team means more clear ideas on what's happening.

Ditto here, I wasn't aware that I needed to do anything else beyond
getting my stuff moved away from elvis CVS to hosted Hg. I just assumed
it would be implicitly clear that the translation source would have to
be moved as well... 

> The work the Fedora Infrastructure folks have done concerning the elvis
> "move" (in quotes because it was more a copy than a move) is mentioned
> at:
> 
>   http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/RFR/ElvisMove
> 
> Translators know about the above page, but that's almost all we know. We
> track the modules we are contributing to and their respective repos at:
> 
>   http://translate.fedoraproject.org/module/
> 
> This list needs to be updated immediately when the development of
> modules moves away from a repo, otherwise translators don't know where
> the development for a module takes place. We need to be notified
> (preferably with a mail and a bug report) if/when/which of the modules
> mentioned in the elvis move did actually move their development on the
> new VCS.

... but I guess I just didn't make this connection because the first
mail about the subject was from you -- I somehow thought the rest would
fall in place automatically.

> I'll send right now an email to the other owners mentioned on the
> ElvisMove page to remind them to notify us where they want us to commit
> translations to. Concerning your modules Nils: Should we update the
> website and make all the modules listed under your name on the ElvisMove
> page to point to the new repos?

Yes please, but I'll send a reply to your second mail right away so you
don't have to make exceptions for my modules.

> (I've been extremely busy with my work lately and I have given Transifex
> as much attention as I am able to. There's only so much one can do and
> take care of. A big "Thanks!" to Diego and Piotr who have helped a lot
> lately with our statistics config files.)

I didn't want to criticize, just point out that there are some loose
ends.

> I've created the following ticket to keep a better track on what's going
> on.:
> 
> https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/147
> 
> I would very much like to have it as soon as possible. But having a
> software like transifex in production is a sensitive process in terms of
> security and we better be safe than sorry. 

Is there anything particular with which I can help? I don't know the
Transifex code but if it's not too overwhelming I should be able to find
my way around after a short intro. I'm not sure about that ticket #147,
but there are some new strings in -samba and -users that needs
translation, so feel free to use them as guinea pigs (once I've
submitted the mail officially notifying translators about the VCS move).

> The worst case scenario in terms of deploying will be to *not* deploy
> and copy the modules in question somewhere in `/cvs/l10n/` for
> translators to commit there.

Ugh ;-). That would smell like much manual labour.

> Best case would be: Have the VCS users created in the weekend by Infra;
> Monday have access to smolt, revisor; at least 4-6 translators show up
> on IRC and help test; Until Wednesday add all the modules mentioned on
> the ticket. If many people help out and let us know what should happen,
> then even this tight schedule could work.
> 
> Hope I helped clarifying some things.

Yes. Again, please tell me if there is anything else I can help out
with, code-wise or have-fun-with-my-modules-wise or else ;-).

Ciao,
Nils
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