From deepak.katagade at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 08:43:20 2006
From: deepak.katagade at gmail.com (Deepak Madhusudan)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:13:20 +0530
Subject: problem with serial driver while opening the minicom
Message-ID: <6f0f8ee70601020043h7e11f60cm4b4bde07b45e06f5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,
    I am writing a serial driver in FEDORA 3 (kernel-2.6.9). when i am
trying open the the serial driver /dev/ttyX throuh my minicom application it
is giving the following messages when i checked through the dmesg


*minicom: page allocation failure. order:4, mode:0xd1
*

* [<c0148f56>] __alloc_pages+0x28b/0x298
*

* [<c0148f7b>] __get_free_pages+0x18/0x24
*

* [<c014c689>] kmem_getpages+0x15/0x94
*

* [<c014d415>] cache_grow+0x155/0x29a
*

* [<c014d767>] cache_alloc_refill+0x20d/0x23d
*

* [<c014dd18>] __kmalloc+0x6b/0x7d*

Though the following messages came the driver was able to work.

**
**

Then I installed the same fedora3(kernel-2.6.9) again in the other seperate
partition and checked in this case.It als gave the above message but system
got hanged. Can anybody help me in this problem. waiting for the reply.



regards

deepak
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From sundaram at redhat.com  Mon Jan  2 08:47:00 2006
From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:17:00 +0530
Subject: problem with serial driver while opening the minicom
In-Reply-To: <6f0f8ee70601020043h7e11f60cm4b4bde07b45e06f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f0f8ee70601020043h7e11f60cm4b4bde07b45e06f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B8E884.8020305@redhat.com>

Deepak Madhusudan wrote:

> Hi All,
>     I am writing a serial driver in FEDORA 3 (kernel-2.6.9). when i am 
> trying open the the serial driver /dev/ttyX throuh my minicom 
> application it is giving the following messages when i checked through 
> the dmesg
>  
>
> *minicom: page allocation failure. order:4, mode:0xd1
> *
>
> * [<c0148f56>] __alloc_pages+0x28b/0x298
> *
>
> * [<c0148f7b>] __get_free_pages+0x18/0x24
> *
>
> * [<c014c689>] kmem_getpages+0x15/0x94
> *
>
> * [<c014d415>] cache_grow+0x155/0x29a
> *
>
> * [<c014d767>] cache_alloc_refill+0x20d/0x23d
> *
>
> * [<c014dd18>] __kmalloc+0x6b/0x7d*
>
> Though the following messages came the driver was able to work.
>
> ** 
>
> **
>
> Then I installed the same fedora3(kernel-2.6.9) again in the other 
> seperate partition and checked in this case.It als gave the above 
> message but system got hanged. Can anybody help me in this problem. 
> waiting for the reply.
>
>  
>
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PostIsOffTopic. try fedora-list




From sopwith at redhat.com  Tue Jan  3 19:37:03 2006
From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 14:37:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
In-Reply-To: <43B32FEB.4010904@redhat.com>
References: <43B32FEB.4010904@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0512292145221.12180@devserv.devel.redhat.com>

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

> A few ages back there was a discussion on setting up a gallery for
> Fedora based on community or fan artwork.  
> http://pygallery.sourceforge.net/ was suggested as one of the Python
> based solutions. Not sure if there are others we can take a look. It
> would be good to provide a place for the community to submit, rate etc
> at http://art.fedoraproject.org. It can provide custom designed and
> branded wallpapers, themes, sound themes, GDM/KDM login screen themes,
> Icons and so on.

Neat stuff. I suppose the biggest need is for someone to take over the
art.fedoraproject.org project on an ongoing basis.

Best,
-- Elliot
Red Hat Summit Nashville (May 30 - June 2, 2006)
http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/



From sopwith at redhat.com  Tue Jan  3 20:07:01 2006
From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:07:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Time to plan the first meeting
In-Reply-To: <43ACEA62.1030806@n-man.com>
References: <43ACEA62.1030806@n-man.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0512241807360.19215@devserv.devel.redhat.com>

On Sat, 24 Dec 2005, Patrick Barnes wrote:

> First, the meeting time.  I'd like to shoot for the second week of
> January.  At present, we already have Fedora meetings on Tuesday and
> Thursday.  I'd kind of like to plan our meeting time in close proximity
> to the existing meetings, but I'm open to alternative suggestions.

Just about anytime Tuesdays should work for me. I'm in the US EST time
zone.

> For those of you who have been following our CMS discussions, we now
> have a new page at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/CMS to track
> our efforts.  

This page says that Zope3 is not yet released, which seems to be 
inaccurate given the presence of Zope 3.1.x on zope.org :) What's the 
story here?

Best,
-- Elliot
Red Hat Summit Nashville (May 30 - June 2, 2006)
http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/



From pemboa at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 20:14:17 2006
From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 14:14:17 -0600
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0512292145221.12180@devserv.devel.redhat.com>
References: <43B32FEB.4010904@redhat.com>
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Message-ID: <16de708d0601031214i3be88933oe471612c12631d6d@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/3/06, Elliot Lee <sopwith at redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
> > A few ages back there was a discussion on setting up a gallery for
> > Fedora based on community or fan artwork.
> > http://pygallery.sourceforge.net/ was suggested as one of the Python
> > based solutions. Not sure if there are others we can take a look. It
> > would be good to provide a place for the community to submit, rate etc
> > at http://art.fedoraproject.org. It can provide custom designed and
> > branded wallpapers, themes, sound themes, GDM/KDM login screen themes,
> > Icons and so on.
>
> Neat stuff. I suppose the biggest need is for someone to take over the
> art.fedoraproject.org project on an ongoing basis.


Once pointed in the right direction, I am willing to give it a shot. I am
looking for an area to contribute to the Fedora Project

Best,
> -- Elliot
> Red Hat Summit Nashville (May 30 - June 2, 2006)
> http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/
>
> --
> Fedora-websites-list mailing list
> Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
>



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From pemboa at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 20:18:32 2006
From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 14:18:32 -0600
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0512292145221.12180@devserv.devel.redhat.com>
References: <43B32FEB.4010904@redhat.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0512292145221.12180@devserv.devel.redhat.com>
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On 1/3/06, Elliot Lee <sopwith at redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
> > A few ages back there was a discussion on setting up a gallery for
> > Fedora based on community or fan artwork.
> > http://pygallery.sourceforge.net/ was suggested as one of the Python
> > based solutions. Not sure if there are others we can take a look. It
> > would be good to provide a place for the community to submit, rate etc
> > at http://art.fedoraproject.org. It can provide custom designed and
> > branded wallpapers, themes, sound themes, GDM/KDM login screen themes,
> > Icons and so on.
>
> Neat stuff. I suppose the biggest need is for someone to take over the
> art.fedoraproject.org project on an ongoing basis.


Seems to me that the pygallery is a gallery generator (ie. generates static
files) and is nothing like what is needed (kde-look.org art.gnome.org)

--
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From sopwith at redhat.com  Tue Jan  3 20:23:25 2006
From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:23:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
In-Reply-To: <16de708d0601031214i3be88933oe471612c12631d6d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43B32FEB.4010904@redhat.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0512292145221.12180@devserv.devel.redhat.com>
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On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Arthur Pemberton wrote:

> > Neat stuff. I suppose the biggest need is for someone to take over the
> > art.fedoraproject.org project on an ongoing basis.
> 
> 
> Once pointed in the right direction, I am willing to give it a shot. I am
> looking for an area to contribute to the Fedora Project

Hey Art, that's cool. The direction to head is in finding the right
direction, so to speak. The main need is for a leader who is willing to
both do the work and guide the effort. There is no one right answer - the
site can become whatever you make it. If you have a clear idea of how the
art site should work, run with it! If not, you can always solicit ideas
from others and then move ahead with implementing them. The only
requirement is a willingness to keep driving things ahead to find the
solutions and implement them.

As far as the technical side of things how much of that do you feel
qualified to take care of? It sounds like pygallery is not "it". If you
find an existing solution to deploy, the Fedora Infrastructure team can
help with deploying it, but if a solution needs to be written from
scratch, that would probably be something that you'd have to do...

Best,
-- Elliot
Red Hat Summit Nashville (May 30 - June 2, 2006)
http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/



From sundaram at redhat.com  Tue Jan  3 20:28:44 2006
From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 01:58:44 +0530
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
In-Reply-To: <16de708d0601031214i3be88933oe471612c12631d6d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43B32FEB.4010904@redhat.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0512292145221.12180@devserv.devel.redhat.com>
	<16de708d0601031214i3be88933oe471612c12631d6d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43BADE7C.1020801@redhat.com>

Hi

>
>     Neat stuff. I suppose the biggest need is for someone to take over the
>     art.fedoraproject.org <http://art.fedoraproject.org> project on an
>     ongoing basis.
>
>
> Once pointed in the right direction, I am willing to give it a shot. I 
> am looking for an area to contribute to the Fedora Project

If you are willing to take the lead its upto you to find the right 
direction with pointers that has already been given.  You can 
participate in the meetings scheduled to come up or discuss those 
implementations in the wiki or in this list to take the ideas further 
and implement it.  Thats how it works in this project.

regards
Rahul



From pemboa at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 20:35:06 2006
From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 14:35:06 -0600
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0601031515100.5439@devserv.devel.redhat.com>
References: <43B32FEB.4010904@redhat.com>
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Well here is my response thus far. I have searched the internet as best as
possible, and have found no script even close to the needed task written in
python. However, I have already contacted a programming buddy of mine, and
we willing to begin writing the necessary app from scratch.

If the general list is ok with this, then I would like suggestions for the
design of the site, etc. And also recommendations of wether we should begin
development on one of our own servers, or if we will be give access to the
fedoraproject.org server at art.fedoraproject.org or similiar.

When exactly is the next meeting planned?
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From sopwith at redhat.com  Tue Jan  3 20:42:25 2006
From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:42:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
In-Reply-To: <16de708d0601031235x74c92ae5pc2e59c9ab7b1abe1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43B32FEB.4010904@redhat.com>
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On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Arthur Pemberton wrote:

> If the general list is ok with this, then I would like suggestions for the
> design of the site, etc. And also recommendations of wether we should begin
> development on one of our own servers, or if we will be give access to the
> fedoraproject.org server at art.fedoraproject.org or similiar.

You should begin development on your own servers. Once things are "ready
to go", we can run the site on the fedoraproject.org servers.

Although it's very nice to have, Python is not a hard & fast requirement
for the web site. Do you know of any implementations in other languages of
what you need? If nothing else, they will give you a template to write
python code from :)

Various things to keep in mind:
	We have postgres & mysql available for databases, with postgres 
	being preferred.

	The implementation should store data only in the database, in 
	order to allow using a cluster of systems to serve the same web 
	site.

Best,
-- Elliot
Red Hat Summit Nashville (May 30 - June 2, 2006)
http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/



From kwade at redhat.com  Tue Jan  3 20:43:05 2006
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:43:05 -0800
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
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On Tue, 2006-01-03 at 14:35 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> Well here is my response thus far. I have searched the internet as
> best as possible, and have found no script even close to the needed
> task written in python. However, I have already contacted a
> programming buddy of mine, and we willing to begin writing the
> necessary app from scratch. 

I know we haven't settled on Zope for anything, but there is a chance
that such a framework would be in place.  Are you considering a Zope
module or something entirely from scratch?

- Karsten
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From sundaram at redhat.com  Tue Jan  3 21:02:53 2006
From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 02:32:53 +0530
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
In-Reply-To: <16de708d0601031235x74c92ae5pc2e59c9ab7b1abe1@mail.gmail.com>
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Arthur Pemberton wrote:

> Well here is my response thus far. I have searched the internet as 
> best as possible, and have found no script even close to the needed 
> task written in python. However, I have already contacted a 
> programming buddy of mine, and we willing to begin writing the 
> necessary app from scratch.
>
> If the general list is ok with this, then I would like suggestions for 
> the design of the site, etc. And also recommendations of wether we 
> should begin development on one of our own servers, or if we will be 
> give access to the fedoraproject.org <http://fedoraproject.org> server 
> at art.fedoraproject.org <http://art.fedoraproject.org> or similiar.

Development should in your own infrastructure. http://fedoraproject.org 
or any subdomains is only for deployments.

>
> When exactly is the next meeting planned?

The proposal was 
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2005-December/msg00083.html. 
Feel free to pitch in.



From nman64 at n-man.com  Tue Jan  3 22:24:30 2006
From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:24:30 -0600
Subject: Time to plan the first meeting
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0512241807360.19215@devserv.devel.redhat.com>
References: <43ACEA62.1030806@n-man.com>
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Elliot Lee wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Dec 2005, Patrick Barnes wrote:
>
> > First, the meeting time.  I'd like to shoot for the second week of
> > January.  At present, we already have Fedora meetings on Tuesday and
> > Thursday.  I'd kind of like to plan our meeting time in close proximity
> > to the existing meetings, but I'm open to alternative suggestions.
>
> Just about anytime Tuesdays should work for me. I'm in the US EST time
> zone.
>   
I'm willing to postpone this to the 17th to allow Thomas Chung to
participate.  I propose we shoot for:

2006-01-17 1900 UTC
2006-01-17 1400 US Eastern
2006-01-17 1300 US Central
2006-01-17 1100 US Western

I don't /think/ this conflicts with any other meeting times.  Any
objections?

We can discuss future meeting times and frequency in the meeting.
> > For those of you who have been following our CMS discussions, we now
> > have a new page at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/CMS to track
> > our efforts.  
>
> This page says that Zope3 is not yet released, which seems to be 
> inaccurate given the presence of Zope 3.1.x on zope.org :) What's the 
> story here?
>   
My mistake.  This has been fixed.  The last time I had compared Zope 2
and Zope 3, which was about 6 months ago, Zope 3 didn't yet have a
stable release.  It is unfortunate that Zope 3 is not fully
backwards-compatible with the Zope 2 products, or I wouldn't even list
Zope 2 as a consideration.
> Best,
> -- Elliot
> Red Hat Summit Nashville (May 30 - June 2, 2006)
> http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/
>
>   

-- 
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nman64 at n-man.com

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From sundaram at redhat.com  Tue Jan  3 22:32:59 2006
From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 04:02:59 +0530
Subject: Time to plan the first meeting
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Hi

>My mistake.  This has been fixed.  The last time I had compared Zope 2
>and Zope 3, which was about 6 months ago, Zope 3 didn't yet have a
>stable release.  It is unfortunate that Zope 3 is not fully
>backwards-compatible with the Zope 2 products, or I wouldn't even list
>Zope 2 as a consideration.
>  
>
Why is backward compatibility with a older version of Zope an important 
consideration for as essentially new deployment?. Are there major 
modules which are Zope 2 only and ones which we would want in Fedora?. 
We need more details on the wiki.

regards
Rahul



From nman64 at n-man.com  Wed Jan  4 00:50:34 2006
From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:50:34 -0600
Subject: Time to plan the first meeting
In-Reply-To: <43BAFB9B.8070002@redhat.com>
References: <43ACEA62.1030806@n-man.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0512241807360.19215@devserv.devel.redhat.com>	<43BAF99E.7070503@n-man.com>
	<43BAFB9B.8070002@redhat.com>
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Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Hi
>
>> My mistake.  This has been fixed.  The last time I had compared Zope 2
>> and Zope 3, which was about 6 months ago, Zope 3 didn't yet have a
>> stable release.  It is unfortunate that Zope 3 is not fully
>> backwards-compatible with the Zope 2 products, or I wouldn't even list
>> Zope 2 as a consideration.
>>  
>>
> Why is backward compatibility with a older version of Zope an
> important consideration for as essentially new deployment?. Are there
> major modules which are Zope 2 only and ones which we would want in
> Fedora?. We need more details on the wiki.
>
> regards
> Rahul
>
Most of the key Zope products are currently only available for Zope 2. 
The Zope 2 suggestion is to use the combination of Zope and Plone, and
Plone only works on Zope 2 right now.  If we decide we want Plone, then
we would have to use Zope 2 until Plone becomes available for Zope 3.

-- 
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From pemboa at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 04:05:09 2006
From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:05:09 -0600
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
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On 1/3/06, Elliot Lee <sopwith at redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>
> > If the general list is ok with this, then I would like suggestions for
> the
> > design of the site, etc. And also recommendations of wether we should
> begin
> > development on one of our own servers, or if we will be give access to
> the
> > fedoraproject.org server at art.fedoraproject.org or similiar.
>
> You should begin development on your own servers. Once things are "ready
> to go", we can run the site on the fedoraproject.org servers.
>
> Although it's very nice to have, Python is not a hard & fast requirement
> for the web site. Do you know of any implementations in other languages of
> what you need? If nothing else, they will give you a template to write
> python code from :)
>
> Various things to keep in mind:
>         We have postgres & mysql available for databases, with postgres
>         being preferred.
>
>         The implementation should store data only in the database, in
>         order to allow using a cluster of systems to serve the same web
>         site.
>
> Best,
> -- Elliot
> Red Hat Summit Nashville (May 30 - June 2, 2006)
> http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/


Great. As soon as I get back to my main machine. I will get started. Still,
any design guideliness for the site?

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From pemboa at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 04:10:28 2006
From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:10:28 -0600
Subject: Time to plan the first meeting
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On 1/3/06, Patrick Barnes <nman64 at n-man.com> wrote:
>
> Elliot Lee wrote:
> > On Sat, 24 Dec 2005, Patrick Barnes wrote:
> >
> > > First, the meeting time.  I'd like to shoot for the second week of
> > > January.  At present, we already have Fedora meetings on Tuesday and
> > > Thursday.  I'd kind of like to plan our meeting time in close
> proximity
> > > to the existing meetings, but I'm open to alternative suggestions.
> >
> > Just about anytime Tuesdays should work for me. I'm in the US EST time
> > zone.
> >
> I'm willing to postpone this to the 17th to allow Thomas Chung to
> participate.  I propose we shoot for:
>
> 2006-01-17 1900 UTC
> 2006-01-17 1400 US Eastern
> 2006-01-17 1300 US Central
> 2006-01-17 1100 US Western
>
> I don't /think/ this conflicts with any other meeting times.  Any
> objections?
>
> No objection, except that I have an engagement at 2pm Central. I assume
that meeting will be at irc://freenode/fedora ?
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From sundaram at redhat.com  Wed Jan  4 04:14:13 2006
From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:44:13 +0530
Subject: Time to plan the first meeting
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Hi

>
>     I don't /think/ this conflicts with any other meeting times.  Any
>     objections?
>
> No objection, except that I have an engagement at 2pm Central. I 
> assume that meeting will be at irc://freenode/fedora

#fedora-websites in freenode. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites for 
other details.




From pemboa at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 04:15:01 2006
From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:15:01 -0600
Subject: Time to plan the first meeting
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On 1/3/06, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram at redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> >
> >     I don't /think/ this conflicts with any other meeting times.  Any
> >     objections?
> >
> > No objection, except that I have an engagement at 2pm Central. I
> > assume that meeting will be at irc://freenode/fedora
>
> #fedora-websites in freenode. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites for
> other details.


Ah, yes of course, typo. Great.

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From sundaram at redhat.com  Wed Jan  4 04:15:35 2006
From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:45:35 +0530
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
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Hi

>
> Great. As soon as I get back to my main machine. I will get started. 
> Still, any design guideliness for the site?

Perhaps Diana fong (CC'ed) can provide some mockups. In general other 
similar sites could be used for inspiration and functionality.





From pemboa at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 04:22:55 2006
From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:22:55 -0600
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
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On 1/3/06, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram at redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> >
> > Great. As soon as I get back to my main machine. I will get started.
> > Still, any design guideliness for the site?
>
> Perhaps Diana fong (CC'ed) can provide some mockups. In general other
> similar sites could be used for inspiration and functionality.
>
> Ok, I shall wait for word from Ms. Fong, otherwise I will take inspiration
from the Fedora logo and kde-look.org.

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From giallu at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 08:46:15 2006
From: giallu at gmail.com (Gianluca Sforna)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:46:15 +0100
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
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On 12/31/05, Arthur Pemberton <pemboa at gmail.com> wrote:
> Unfortunately, none of the apps from those links properly fit the
> bill, as things like searching, rating, etc. would certainlty be needed. The
> project seems is to be more along the line of kde-look.org or art.gnome.org
> (I am not sure of these systems have a particular name/category, please tell
> me if they do).
>
Well, I had a look to those sites and their organization (with
searching/rating/catagories) seems more the customization of a weblog
rather than a picture gallery.

Searching for this kind of topic you can find (again) many Zope/plone
based solutions, and also stand alone ones.

Possible starting points for a search (google: python based weblog engine)
http://www.python.org/~jeremy/weblog/031104d.html
http://www.python.org/pypi?%3Aaction=home

Cheers

Gianluca



From dfong at redhat.com  Wed Jan  4 16:14:07 2006
From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:14:07 -0500
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
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Andrew...

How much flexibility would I have?...are there restrictions that I
should take into consideration in my mockups?  Alternatively I could
make a couple and we can figure it out from there.  But be forewarned,
it won't look too much like kde-look.

Thanks again for taking on this task.  I should have something for you
in a couple of days.

Diana


On Tue, 2006-01-03 at 22:22 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> On 1/3/06, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram at redhat.com> wrote:
>         Hi
>         
>         >
>         > Great. As soon as I get back to my main machine. I will get
>         started.
>         > Still, any design guideliness for the site?
>         
>         Perhaps Diana fong (CC'ed) can provide some mockups. In
>         general other
>         similar sites could be used for inspiration and functionality.
>         
> Ok, I shall wait for word from Ms. Fong, otherwise I will take
> inspiration from the Fedora logo and kde-look.org.
> 
> -- 
> As a boy I jumped through Windows, as a man I play with Penguins.



From pemboa at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 19:35:32 2006
From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:35:32 -0600
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
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On 1/4/06, Gianluca Sforna <giallu at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 12/31/05, Arthur Pemberton <pemboa at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Unfortunately, none of the apps from those links properly fit the
> > bill, as things like searching, rating, etc. would certainlty be needed.
> The
> > project seems is to be more along the line of kde-look.org or
> art.gnome.org
> > (I am not sure of these systems have a particular name/category, please
> tell
> > me if they do).
> >
> Well, I had a look to those sites and their organization (with
> searching/rating/catagories) seems more the customization of a weblog
> rather than a picture gallery.
>
> Searching for this kind of topic you can find (again) many Zope/plone
> based solutions, and also stand alone ones.
>
> Possible starting points for a search (google: python based weblog engine)
> http://www.python.org/~jeremy/weblog/031104d.html
> http://www.python.org/pypi?%3Aaction=home
>
> Cheers
>
> Gianluca


Ok thanks. I had considered that I migth have been searching for the wrong
thing. I will do some googling and get back to the list.

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From pemboa at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 19:46:14 2006
From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:46:14 -0600
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
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On 1/4/06, Diana Fong <dfong at redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Andrew...
>
> How much flexibility would I have?...are there restrictions that I
> should take into consideration in my mockups?


I am as flexible as theire are online tutorials. Infact I would like
restrictions as to what html spec to use, etc.

 Alternatively I could
> make a couple and we can figure it out from there.  But be forewarned,
> it won't look too much like kde-look.


I would appreciate if you made a  couple. That is in no way a problem, I
like the functionality of kde-look.org more so than the design. I am more
concerned with following whatever look the Fedora project may or may not
have.

Thanks again for taking on this task.  I should have something for you
> in a couple of days.


No problem, it is my pleasure.

Diana
>
>
> On Tue, 2006-01-03 at 22:22 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> > On 1/3/06, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram at redhat.com> wrote:
> >         Hi
> >
> >         >
> >         > Great. As soon as I get back to my main machine. I will get
> >         started.
> >         > Still, any design guideliness for the site?
> >
> >         Perhaps Diana fong (CC'ed) can provide some mockups. In
> >         general other
> >         similar sites could be used for inspiration and functionality.
> >
> > Ok, I shall wait for word from Ms. Fong, otherwise I will take
> > inspiration from the Fedora logo and kde-look.org.
> >
> > --
> > As a boy I jumped through Windows, as a man I play with Penguins.
>
> --
> Fedora-websites-list mailing list
> Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
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>



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From nman64 at n-man.com  Wed Jan  4 20:43:57 2006
From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:43:57 -0600
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
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Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>
>
> On 1/4/06, *Diana Fong* <dfong at redhat.com <mailto:dfong at redhat.com>>
> wrote:
>
>     Andrew...
>
>     How much flexibility would I have?...are there restrictions that I
>     should take into consideration in my mockups? 
>
>
> I am as flexible as theire are online tutorials. Infact I would like
> restrictions as to what html spec to use, etc.
HTML 4.01, CSS 2.1

On the HTML, though, keep to lower-case tags, properly nest tags, and
close all of the tags that you can.  Try to keep entirely separate
stylesheets and avoid inline styles.  Make sure you use a proper DTD,
and that the pages can pass validation checks.  Also avoid tags and
attributes that are deprecated or unavailable in XHTML standards. 
Basically, we want HTML that is ready to become XHTML or can easily be
ported to another markup.  If you can meet Section 508 and WAI
accessibility guidelines, that would be great.  If you choose an AJAX
solution, make sure it scales backwards to work on older browsers, too. 
Using AJAX and DHTML-type solutions would produce a nicer interface, but
we want the site to be as accessible as possible.

PNG, SVG

Try to stick to PNG graphics.  Do not use GIF images, and prefer PNG
over JPEG.  Obviously, we will want to accept all kinds of
contributions, including vector graphics creations, so make sure you
allow for SVG submissions, and possibly other formats, too.  Completely
proprietary formats, such as some of the formats used by Adobe solutions
or Paint Shop Pro, should not be supported.  Providing directions for
exporting to more open formats should be easy.

RSS

Although not a requirement, RSS feeds of updates would be nice to have.

Layout

You are free to come up with whatever sort of layout you desire.  As
long as it is relatively easy to use and works well, you can do what
feels right to you.  We should be able to theme the site to match
coloration and graphical nuances of other Fedora materials, but this
should not restrict the layout.
>
>      Alternatively I could
>     make a couple and we can figure it out from there.  But be
>     forewarned,
>     it won't look too much like kde-look.
>
>
> I would appreciate if you made a  couple. That is in no way a problem,
> I like the functionality of kde-look.org <http://kde-look.org> more so
> than the design. I am more concerned with following whatever look the
> Fedora project may or may not have.
>
If you follow the guidelines I have laid out above, we should have a
great deal of flexibility in the appearance, so you should be able to
focus on the function of the site and we can hammer out appearance
details as we go.

-- 
Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes
nman64 at n-man.com

http://www.n-man.com/
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From pemboa at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 03:51:37 2006
From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 21:51:37 -0600
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
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On 1/4/06, Patrick Barnes <nman64 at n-man.com> wrote:
>
> Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 1/4/06, *Diana Fong* <dfong at redhat.com <mailto:dfong at redhat.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >     Andrew...
> >
> >     How much flexibility would I have?...are there restrictions that I
> >     should take into consideration in my mockups?
> >
> >
> > I am as flexible as theire are online tutorials. Infact I would like
> > restrictions as to what html spec to use, etc.
> HTML 4.01, CSS 2.1
>
> On the HTML, though, keep to lower-case tags, properly nest tags, and
> close all of the tags that you can.  Try to keep entirely separate
> stylesheets and avoid inline styles.  Make sure you use a proper DTD,
> and that the pages can pass validation checks.  Also avoid tags and
> attributes that are deprecated or unavailable in XHTML standards.
> Basically, we want HTML that is ready to become XHTML or can easily be
> ported to another markup.  If you can meet Section 508 and WAI
> accessibility guidelines, that would be great.  If you choose an AJAX
> solution, make sure it scales backwards to work on older browsers, too.
> Using AJAX and DHTML-type solutions would produce a nicer interface, but
> we want the site to be as accessible as possible.


Great. One problem I have not yet found a solution to however is the
handling of the TARGET attribute (not supported in XHTML). Altough I am some
time away from coming to this problem. Any suggestions on how to handle
that?

PNG, SVG
>
> Try to stick to PNG graphics.  Do not use GIF images, and prefer PNG
> over JPEG.  Obviously, we will want to accept all kinds of
> contributions, including vector graphics creations, so make sure you
> allow for SVG submissions, and possibly other formats, too.  Completely
> proprietary formats, such as some of the formats used by Adobe solutions
> or Paint Shop Pro, should not be supported.  Providing directions for
> exporting to more open formats should be easy.
>
> RSS
>
> Although not a requirement, RSS feeds of updates would be nice to have.
>
> Layout
>
> You are free to come up with whatever sort of layout you desire.  As
> long as it is relatively easy to use and works well, you can do what
> feels right to you.  We should be able to theme the site to match
> coloration and graphical nuances of other Fedora materials, but this
> should not restrict the layout.
> >
> >      Alternatively I could
> >     make a couple and we can figure it out from there.  But be
> >     forewarned,
> >     it won't look too much like kde-look.
> >
> >
> > I would appreciate if you made a  couple. That is in no way a problem,
> > I like the functionality of kde-look.org <http://kde-look.org> more so
> > than the design. I am more concerned with following whatever look the
> > Fedora project may or may not have.
> >
> If you follow the guidelines I have laid out above, we should have a
> great deal of flexibility in the appearance, so you should be able to
> focus on the function of the site and we can hammer out appearance
> details as we go.


I aggree.

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From nman64 at n-man.com  Thu Jan  5 04:11:11 2006
From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:11:11 -0600
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
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Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>
>
>
> Great. One problem I have not yet found a solution to however is the
> handling of the TARGET attribute (not supported in XHTML). Altough I
> am some time away from coming to this problem. Any suggestions on how
> to handle that?
>
>
You have three choices, and I'll leave the choice up to you.

1. Extend the DTD to include the target attribute.
This will allow the document to validate, but really is cheating.

2. Use JavaScript with PrivoxyWindowOpen().
Works well, but can cause problems with the passing of the referring URL
or with old browsers.

3. Use JavaScript and the rel attribute to set the DOM target attribute.
This JavaScript (probably in a separate .js file):

|function externalLinks() {
 if (!document.getElementsByTagName) return;
 var anchors = document.getElementsByTagName("a");
 for (var i=0; i<anchors.length; i++) {
   var anchor = anchors[i];
   if (anchor.getAttribute("href") &&
       anchor.getAttribute("rel") == "external")
     anchor.target = "_blank";
 }
}
window.onload = externalLinks;

This script tag:
<script type="text/javascript" src="filename.js"> </script>
|
And anchors that look like this:
<a href="http://target.uri.here/" rel="external">A Link to open in a new
window</a>

This solution is probably the one I would use.  It works well throughout
the browser world (ancient browsers will open the links in the same
window), and it complies with standards without cheating.

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From pemboa at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 04:30:08 2006
From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:30:08 -0600
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
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On 1/4/06, Patrick Barnes <nman64 at n-man.com> wrote:
>
> Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Great. One problem I have not yet found a solution to however is the
> > handling of the TARGET attribute (not supported in XHTML). Altough I
> > am some time away from coming to this problem. Any suggestions on how
> > to handle that?
> >
> >
> You have three choices, and I'll leave the choice up to you.
>
> 1. Extend the DTD to include the target attribute.
> This will allow the document to validate, but really is cheating.
>
> 2. Use JavaScript with PrivoxyWindowOpen().
> Works well, but can cause problems with the passing of the referring URL
> or with old browsers.
>
> 3. Use JavaScript and the rel attribute to set the DOM target attribute.
> This JavaScript (probably in a separate .js file):
>
> |function externalLinks() {
> if (!document.getElementsByTagName) return;
> var anchors = document.getElementsByTagName("a");
> for (var i=0; i<anchors.length; i++) {
>    var anchor = anchors[i];
>    if (anchor.getAttribute("href") &&
>        anchor.getAttribute("rel") == "external")
>      anchor.target = "_blank";
> }
> }
> window.onload = externalLinks;
>
> This script tag:
> <script type="text/javascript" src="filename.js"> </script>
> |
> And anchors that look like this:
> <a href="http://target.uri.here/" rel="external">A Link to open in a new
> window</a>
>
> This solution is probably the one I would use.  It works well throughout
> the browser world (ancient browsers will open the links in the same
> window), and it complies with standards without cheating.


I hadn't come across 3 before. I like it the best.

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From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Fri Jan  6 04:03:38 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Patrick Barnes (nman64))
Date: Thu,  5 Jan 2006 23:03:38 -0500
Subject: web/html/Contribute index.php,1.3,1.4
Message-ID: <200601060404.k0644APA019888@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: nman64

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/Contribute
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv19870/html/Contribute

Modified Files:
	index.php 
Log Message:
Add Feedback/Communicate section to Contribute


Index: index.php
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/Contribute/index.php,v
retrieving revision 1.3
retrieving revision 1.4
diff -u -r1.3 -r1.4
--- index.php	6 Dec 2005 06:53:35 -0000	1.3
+++ index.php	6 Jan 2006 04:03:35 -0000	1.4
@@ -68,6 +68,13 @@
 <p>
   For information on other Fedora projects, see the <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Projects">Projects</a> wiki page.
 </p>
+
+<h2>Providing Feedback and Reaching the Community</h2>
+
+<p>
+  To learn how you can provide feedback and how you can get in touch with the Fedora Community, visit our <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate">Communicate</a> wiki page.
+</p>
+
 <?
 
 $template->displayFooter('$Date$');



From nman64 at n-man.com  Fri Jan  6 07:33:28 2006
From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 01:33:28 -0600
Subject: CVS Messages
Message-ID: <43BE1D48.2000505@n-man.com>

This list will now be getting CVS messages, including commits and
structural changes, for the web component in the Fedora Infrastructure
CVS repository.  The From header on these messages will be set to
fedora-websites-list at redhat.com, so you should be able to filter based
upon that, if you so desire.  Traffic on that component has typically
been light, so the list shouldn't be overwhelmed with messages.  We'll
see how it works out, and can change this practice in the future if needed.

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From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Fri Jan  6 15:21:56 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Fri,  6 Jan 2006 10:21:56 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/jargon-buster fedora-glossary.php, 1.4, 1.5 index.php,
	1.4, 1.5 ln-legalnotice.php, 1.4, 1.5 rv-revhistory.php, 1.3, 1.4
Message-ID: <200601061522.k06FMQGL011357@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/jargon-buster
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv11334

Modified Files:
	fedora-glossary.php index.php ln-legalnotice.php 
	rv-revhistory.php 
Log Message:
Update to 1.9.5 (#177103)


Index: fedora-glossary.php
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/jargon-buster/fedora-glossary.php,v
retrieving revision 1.4
retrieving revision 1.5
diff -u -r1.4 -r1.5
--- fedora-glossary.php	24 Oct 2005 11:40:03 -0000	1.4
+++ fedora-glossary.php	6 Jan 2006 15:21:54 -0000	1.5
@@ -7,7 +7,15 @@
 
 ?>
 
-<div class="navheader"><table width="100%" summary="Navigation header"><tr><th colspan="3" align="center">Glossary</th></tr><tr><td width="20%" align="left"><a accesskey="p" href="index.php">Prev</a>&#160;</td><th width="60%" align="center">&#160;</th><td width="20%" align="right">&#160;</td></tr></table><hr></div><div class="glossary"><div class="titlepage"><div><div><h2 class="title"><a name="fedora-glossary"></a>Glossary</h2></div></div></div><div class="glossdiv"><h3 class="title">Jargon Buster</h3><dl><dt><a name="gl-jb-alsa"></a>ALSA</dt><dd><p>
+<div class="navheader"><table width="100%" summary="Navigation header"><tr><th colspan="3" align="center">Glossary</th></tr><tr><td width="20%" align="left"><a accesskey="p" href="index.php">Prev</a>&#160;</td><th width="60%" align="center">&#160;</th><td width="20%" align="right">&#160;</td></tr></table><hr></div><div class="glossary"><div class="titlepage"><div><div><h2 class="title"><a name="fedora-glossary"></a>Glossary</h2></div></div></div><div class="glossdiv"><h3 class="title">Jargon Buster</h3><dl><dt><a name="gl-a11y"></a>a11y</dt><dd><p>
+	    An abbreviation for "accessibility," frequently used in
+	    programming to avoid unnecessary typing and misspelling.
+	    Accessibility is the provision of services for impaired
+	    users, such as text-to-speech translation for the visually
+	    impaired.  The <code class="literal">11</code> derives from the eleven
+	    letters between the beginning <code class="literal">a</code> and the
+	    ending <code class="literal">y</code>.
+	  </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-alsa"></a>ALSA</dt><dd><p>
             The Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) provides audio
 	    and MIDI functionality to the Linux operating system. Refer
 	    to <a href="http://www.alsa-project.org/" target="_top">http://www.alsa-project.org/</a> for more
@@ -70,7 +78,11 @@
             can help the community fix the problem by making a record in
             Bugzilla.  This procedure is called "entering a bug."  For more
             information about Bugzilla, refer to <a href="http://bugzilla.redhat.com/" target="_top">http://bugzilla.redhat.com/</a>.
-          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-clearlooks"></a>Clearlooks</dt><dd><p>
+          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-cjk"></a>CJK</dt><dd><p>
+	    An abbreviation for "Chinese, Japanese and Korean," East
+	    Asian languages which require the use of an <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-input-method">Input method</a> platform due to the large number
+	    of possible typographic characters.
+	  </p><p>See Also <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-iiimf">IIIMF</a>.</p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-clearlooks"></a>Clearlooks</dt><dd><p>
 	    Clearlooks is the default theme for a GNOME desktop
 	    environment in Fedora Core 4.  The Clearlooks design is based on
 	    the original <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-jb-bluecurve">Bluecurve</a>.
@@ -257,7 +269,15 @@
 	    also allows the user to pass arguments to the kernel. Refer
 	    to <a href="http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/" target="_top">http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/</a> for more
 	    information about GRUB.
-          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-i386"></a>i386</dt><dd><p>
+          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-i18n"></a>i18n</dt><dd><p>
+	    An abbreviation for "internationalization," frequently used
+	    in programming to avoid unnecessary typing and misspellings.
+	    Internationalization is the provision of multiple
+	    translations for messages that applications produce.  The
+	    <code class="literal">18</code> derives from the eighteen (18) letters
+	    between the beginning <code class="literal">i</code> and the ending
+	    <code class="literal">n</code>.
+	  </p><p>See Also <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-l10n">l10n</a>.</p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-i386"></a>i386</dt><dd><p>
             The entire set of computer processors that are compatible
             with the Intel x86 platform, including Intel Pentium and
             Celeron, AMD Athlon and Duron, and VIA C3 <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-jb-cpu">CPU</a>s, are commonly referred to as
@@ -265,7 +285,14 @@
             <code class="systemitem">i386</code> term is often used as
             shorthand for the distribution set of files meant for this
             line of computers or processors.
-          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-im"></a>IM</dt><dd><p>
+          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-iiimf"></a>IIIMF</dt><dd><p>
+	    The Intranet/Internet Input Method Framework, or
+	    <span class="acronym">IIIMF</span>, is an <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-input-method">Input method</a> framework for handling languages
+	    such as <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-cjk">CJK</a>, which will not map readily
+	    to a standard keyboard device.  IIIMF works by loading
+	    language engines dynamically at runtime as they are
+	    requested by clients.
+	  </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-im"></a>IM</dt><dd><p>
 	    Instant messaging, or <span class="acronym">IM</span>, is a real-time,
 	    text-based form of communication.  You can use IM to have
 	    conversations with individuals or groups.  America Online, an
@@ -278,7 +305,15 @@
 	    Inkscape is a vector graphics illustration program.  It uses
 	    SVG as the default file format.  For more information about
 	    Inkscape, refer to <a href="http://www.inkscape.org/" target="_top">http://www.inkscape.org/</a>.
-	  </p><p>See Also <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-jb-sodipodi">Sodipodi</a>.</p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-irc"></a>IRC</dt><dd><p>
+	  </p><p>See Also <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-jb-sodipodi">Sodipodi</a>.</p></dd><dt><a name="gl-input-method"></a>Input method</dt><dd><p>
+	    A method used to enter text other than selecting each
+	    character directly on a keyboard or other input
+	    hardware. Input methods are widely used for entering
+	    ideographs and other characters phonetically or by
+	    component, such as in Esat Asian languages.  Fedora Core uses the
+	    <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-iiimf">IIIMF</a> platform by default, but also
+	    offers other platforms such as <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-scim">SCIM</a>.
+	  </p><p>See Also <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-cjk">CJK</a>.</p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-irc"></a>IRC</dt><dd><p>
             Internet Relay Chat, or <span class="acronym">IRC</span>, is a
             real-time, text-based form of communication.  You can use
             IRC to have conversations with individuals or groups.  IRC
@@ -321,7 +356,15 @@
 	    in the system's hardware configuration, and configures the
 	    devices for use with Fedora software.  Refer to <a href="http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/additional-projects/kudzu/" target="_top">http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/additional-projects/kudzu/</a>
 	    for more information about <code class="command">kudzu</code>.
-          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-ldap"></a>LDAP</dt><dd><p>
+          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-l10n"></a>l10n</dt><dd><p>
+	    An abbreviation for "localization," frequently used in
+	    programming to avoid unnecessary typing and misspelling.
+	    Localization is the provision of nation-specific settings
+	    for the representation of numbers, dates, currency, and
+	    other customary symbols.  The <code class="literal">10</code> derives
+	    from the ten letters between the beginning
+	    <code class="literal">l</code> and the ending <code class="literal">n</code>.
+	  </p><p>See Also <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-i18n">i18n</a>.</p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-ldap"></a>LDAP</dt><dd><p>
             The Lightweight Directory Access Protocol, or
             <span class="acronym">LDAP</span>, is a standard for hierarchically
             organizing and accessing collections of information.  This
@@ -348,21 +391,13 @@
             about all PCI buses in the system and all devices connected
             to them.  It is frequently used to diagnose problems with
             hardware recognition or driver compatibility.
-          </p></dd><dt>md5sum</dt><dd><p>
+          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-md5sum"></a>md5sum</dt><dd><p>
             The <code class="command">md5sum</code> utility computes a 128-bit
             message digest hash value for any specified files.  A hash
             value is a "fingerprint" for a given file, created by a
             computation that makes it very unlikely that any two files
             will create the same hash value.
 	  </p><p>
-            Download mirrors for Fedora Core <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-jb-iso">ISO</a> image
-            files also include a related MD5SUMS file which contains the
-            hash values for the <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-jb-iso">ISO</a> files.  Run
-            <code class="command">md5sum</code> against the downloaded files to
-            verify the hash value.  If a file's hash value does not
-            match, you should not use that file to burn a CD.  Try
-            downloading the file again.
-          </p><p>
 	    To download an MD5 hash program for Windows operating
 	    systems, refer to <a href="http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/" target="_top">http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/</a>.
           </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-memtest86"></a>memtest86</dt><dd><p>
@@ -443,7 +478,7 @@
             by a Red Hat Network subscription and up to 24x7 support with one-hour
             response.  Refer to <a href="http://www.redhat.com/software/rhel/" target="_top">http://www.redhat.com/software/rhel/</a> for more
             information about Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
-          </p></dd><dt>rhgb</dt><dd><p>
+          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-rhgb"></a>rhgb</dt><dd><p>
             Red Hat Graphical Boot, or
             <span><strong class="application"><span class="acronym">rhgb</span></strong></span>, is an
             optional component of the boot process.  The
@@ -454,7 +489,7 @@
             desired.  Systems that have been upgraded from Red Hat Linux to Fedora Core
             are not configured to include
             <span><strong class="application">rhgb</strong></span>.
-          </p></dd><dt>RHN Applet</dt><dd><p>
+          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-rhn-applet"></a>RHN Applet</dt><dd><p>
             The <span><strong class="application">rhn-applet</strong></span> utility was
             originally designed for use with Red Hat Enterprise Linux and Red Hat Network.
             It provides a notification and user interface for system
@@ -477,13 +512,36 @@
             <code class="command">rsync</code> to create a <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-jb-mirror">mirror</a> of an online resource.  Refer to
             <a href="http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/" target="_top">http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/</a> for more
             information about <code class="command">rsync</code>.
-          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-selinux"></a>SELinux</dt><dd><p>
+          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-scim"></a>SCIM</dt><dd><p>
+	    The Smart Common Input Method platform, or
+	    <span class="acronym">SCIM</span>, is a C++ library that abstracts
+	    input method interface into simple, independent classes.
+	    It provides a higher level and simpler interface than some
+	    other input method platforms.
+	  </p><p>See Also <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-input-method">Input method</a>.</p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-selinux"></a>SELinux</dt><dd><p>
 	    SELinux is a set of extensions to the Linux <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-jb-kernel">kernel</a> that provide extremely strong
             security.  SELinux is based on role definitions, and allows
             very granular control over access to system resources based
             on those roles.  These security measures limit the risk
             associated with computer intrusions by unauthorized persons.
             For more information about SELinux, refer to <a href="http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/" target="_top">http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/</a> and <a href="http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/selinux-faq" target="_top">http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/selinux-faq</a>.
+          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-sha1sum"></a>sha1sum</dt><dd><p>
+            The <code class="command">sha1sum</code> utility computes a 160-bit
+            message digest hash value for any specified files.  A hash
+            value is a "fingerprint" for a given file, created by a
+            computation that makes it very unlikely that any two files
+            will create the same hash value.
+	  </p><p>
+            Download mirrors for Fedora Core <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-jb-iso">ISO</a> image
+            files also include a related SHA1SUMS file which contains the
+            hash values for the <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-jb-iso">ISO</a> files.  Run
+            <code class="command">sha1sum</code> against the downloaded files to
+            verify the hash value.  If a file's hash value does not
+            match, you should not use that file to burn a CD.  Try
+            downloading the file again.
+          </p><p>
+	    To download an SHA-1 hash program for Windows operating
+	    systems, refer to <a href="http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/" target="_top">http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/</a>.
           </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-sodipodi"></a>Sodipodi</dt><dd><p>
             Sodipodi is a vector graphics illustration application. It
             uses W3C SVG as its default format. Refer to <a href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/sodipodi/" target="_top">http://sourceforge.net/projects/sodipodi/</a> for more
@@ -531,7 +589,17 @@
             flexible and is suitable for a wide variety of
             configurations such as remote desktops and thin-client
             applications.
-          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-yum"></a>yum</dt><dd><p>
+          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-xen"></a>Xen</dt><dd><p>
+	    Xen is an open source virtual machine monitor for Intel x86
+	    machines which supports concurrent execution of multiple
+	    guest operating systems.  Using Xen, an administrator can
+	    set up many virtual machines running on a single physical
+	    computer.  Any single virtual machine, while executing,
+	    performs nearly as well as the physical system without Xen.
+	    Xen may be used for testing software, providing large-scale
+	    web hosting on limited hardware, any many other
+	    applications.
+	  </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-yum"></a>yum</dt><dd><p>
             The Yellow Dog Updater, or <span class="acronym">yum</span>, is a
             complete software management utility for RPM-based systems
             such as Fedora. It automatically determines software


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@@ -7,16 +7,18 @@
 
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-<div class="navheader"><table width="100%" summary="Navigation header"><tr><th colspan="3" align="center">Fedora Jargon Buster</th></tr><tr><td width="20%" align="left">&#160;</td><th width="60%" align="center">&#160;</th><td width="20%" align="right">&#160;<a accesskey="n" href="fedora-glossary.php">Next</a></td></tr></table><hr></div><div class="article" lang="en"><div class="titlepage"><div><div><h2 class="title"><a name="id2603423"></a>Fedora Jargon Buster</h2></div><div><div class="authorgroup"><div class="author"><h3 class="author"><span class="firstname">Dave</span> <span class="surname">Pawson</span></h3></div><div class="author"><h3 class="author"><span class="firstname">Tammy</span> <span class="surname">Fox</span></h3></div><div class="author"><h3 class="author"><span class="firstname">Paul</span> <span class="othername">W.</span> <span class="surname">Frields</span></h3></div></div></div><div><p class="copyright">Copyright &#169; 2003, 2004, 2005 Dave Pawson, Pa!
 ul W. Frields, Red Hat, Inc.</p></div><div><a href="ln-legalnotice.php">Legal Notice</a></div><div><a href="rv-revhistory.php">Revision History</a></div></div><hr></div><div class="toc"><dl><dt><span class="glossary"><a href="fedora-glossary.php">Glossary</a></span></dt></dl></div><p>
+<div class="navheader"><table width="100%" summary="Navigation header"><tr><th colspan="3" align="center">Fedora Jargon Buster</th></tr><tr><td width="20%" align="left">&#160;</td><th width="60%" align="center">&#160;</th><td width="20%" align="right">&#160;<a accesskey="n" href="fedora-glossary.php">Next</a></td></tr></table><hr></div><div class="article" lang="en"><div class="titlepage"><div><div><h2 class="title"><a name="id2688665"></a>Fedora Jargon Buster</h2></div><div><div class="authorgroup"><div class="author"><h3 class="author"><span class="firstname">Dave</span> <span class="surname">Pawson</span></h3></div><div class="author"><h3 class="author"><span class="firstname">Tammy</span> <span class="surname">Fox</span></h3></div><div class="author"><h3 class="author"><span class="firstname">Paul</span> <span class="othername">W.</span> <span class="surname">Frields</span></h3></div></div></div><div><p class="copyright">Copyright &#169; 2003, 2004 Dave Pawson</p></div>!
 <div><p class="copyright">Copyright &#169; 2003, 2004, 2005 Red Hat, Inc.</p></div><div><p class="copyright">Copyright &#169; 2004, 2005, 2006 Paul W. Frields</p></div><div><a href="ln-legalnotice.php">Legal Notice</a></div><div><a href="rv-revhistory.php">Revision History</a></div></div><hr></div><div class="toc"><dl><dt><span class="glossary"><a href="fedora-glossary.php">Glossary</a></span></dt></dl></div><p>
     This document clarifies some of the terms used on various lists, web
     pages, and IRC, when talking about Fedora. Many thanks to the people
-    on the fedora-list and at Red Hat for their input.
+    on the fedora-list and at Red Hat for their input.  If you cannot find
+    a term in this document that you think should appear here, use the
+    bug reporting information below to notify the maintainers.
   </p><div class="tip" style="margin-left: 0.5in; margin-right: 0.5in;"><table border="0" summary="Tip: Reporting Document Errors"><tr><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="top" width="25"><img alt="[Tip]" src="./stylesheet-images/tip.png"></td><th align="left">Reporting Document Errors</th></tr><tr><td align="left" valign="top"><p>
     To report an error or omission in this document, file a bug report in Bugzilla
     at <a href="http://bugzilla.redhat.com/" target="_top">http://bugzilla.redhat.com/</a>.  When you file your bug, select "Fedora Documentation" as the
     <code class="systemitem">Product</code>, and select the title of this document as
     the <code class="systemitem">Component</code>.  The version of this document is
-    jargon-buster-1.9.4.1 (2005-10-24).
+    jargon-buster-1.9.5 (2006-01-06).
   </p><p>
     The maintainers of this document will automatically receive your bug report.
     On behalf of the entire Fedora community, thank you for helping us make


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--- ln-legalnotice.php	24 Oct 2005 11:40:03 -0000	1.4
+++ ln-legalnotice.php	6 Jan 2006 15:21:54 -0000	1.5
@@ -26,28 +26,10 @@
     They all may be freely redistributed with documentation
     produced for the Fedora Project.
     </p><p>
-    jargon-buster-1.9.4.1 (2005-10-24)
+    jargon-buster-1.9.5 (2006-01-06)
   </p><p>
-    Red Hat, Red Hat Network, the Red Hat "Shadow Man" logo, RPM, Maximum RPM, the RPM logo, Linux
-    Library, PowerTools, Linux Undercover, RHmember, RHmember More, Rough Cuts,
-    Rawhide and all Red Hat-based trademarks and logos are trademarks or registered
-    trademarks of Red Hat, Inc. in the United States and other countries.
-  </p><p>
-    Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds.
-  </p><p>
-    Motif and UNIX are registered trademarks of The Open Group.
-  </p><p>
-    Intel and Pentium are registered trademarks of Intel Corporation. Itanium
-    and Celeron are trademarks of Intel Corporation.
-  </p><p>
-    AMD, AMD Athlon, AMD Duron, and AMD K6 are trademarks of Advanced Micro
-    Devices, Inc.
-  </p><p>
-    Windows is a registered trademark of Microsoft Corporation.
-  </p><p>
-    SSH and Secure Shell are trademarks of SSH Communications Security, Inc.
-  </p><p>
-    FireWire is a trademark of Apple Computer Corporation.
+    Red Hat and the Red Hat "Shadow Man" logo are registered trademarks of
+    Red Hat, Inc. in the United States and other countries.
   </p><p>
     All other trademarks and copyrights referred to are the property of their
     respective owners.


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+++ rv-revhistory.php	6 Jan 2006 15:21:54 -0000	1.4
@@ -74,6 +74,18 @@
 	  <p>
 	    Spelling correction (#171596).
 	  </p>
+	</td></tr><tr><td align="left">Revision 1.9.5</td><td align="left">6 Jan 2006</td><td align="left">PaulWFrields</td></tr><tr><td align="left" colspan="3">
+	  <p>
+	    Add additional entries for input methods, programming
+	    features, and Xen (#177103).
+	  </p>
+	  <p>
+	    Additional cross referencing.
+	  </p>
+	  <p>
+	    Delineate copyright information, partly for clarity and
+	    partly for properly exercising build tools.
+	  </p>
 	</td></tr></table></div></div>
 
 <?



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Fri Jan  6 23:32:52 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Fri,  6 Jan 2006 18:32:52 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/jargon-buster fedora-glossary.php, 1.5, 1.6 index.php,
	1.5, 1.6 ln-legalnotice.php, 1.5, 1.6 rv-revhistory.php, 1.4, 1.5
Message-ID: <200601062333.k06NXMGR031146@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/jargon-buster
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv31122

Modified Files:
	fedora-glossary.php index.php ln-legalnotice.php 
	rv-revhistory.php 
Log Message:
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+++ fedora-glossary.php	6 Jan 2006 23:32:50 -0000	1.6
@@ -7,7 +7,7 @@
 
 ?>
 
-<div class="navheader"><table width="100%" summary="Navigation header"><tr><th colspan="3" align="center">Glossary</th></tr><tr><td width="20%" align="left"><a accesskey="p" href="index.php">Prev</a>&#160;</td><th width="60%" align="center">&#160;</th><td width="20%" align="right">&#160;</td></tr></table><hr></div><div class="glossary"><div class="titlepage"><div><div><h2 class="title"><a name="fedora-glossary"></a>Glossary</h2></div></div></div><div class="glossdiv"><h3 class="title">Jargon Buster</h3><dl><dt><a name="gl-a11y"></a>a11y</dt><dd><p>
+<div class="navheader"><table width="100%" summary="Navigation header"><tr><th colspan="3" align="center">Glossary</th></tr><tr><td width="20%" align="left"><a accesskey="p" href="index.php">Prev</a>&#160;</td><th width="60%" align="center">&#160;</th><td width="20%" align="right">&#160;</td></tr></table><hr></div><div class="glossary"><div class="titlepage"><div><div><h2 class="title"><a name="fedora-glossary"></a>Glossary</h2></div></div></div><div class="glossdiv"><h3 class="title">Jargon Buster</h3><dl><dt><a name="gl-jb-a11y"></a>a11y</dt><dd><p>
 	    An abbreviation for "accessibility," frequently used in
 	    programming to avoid unnecessary typing and misspelling.
 	    Accessibility is the provision of services for impaired
@@ -78,11 +78,11 @@
             can help the community fix the problem by making a record in
             Bugzilla.  This procedure is called "entering a bug."  For more
             information about Bugzilla, refer to <a href="http://bugzilla.redhat.com/" target="_top">http://bugzilla.redhat.com/</a>.
-          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-cjk"></a>CJK</dt><dd><p>
+          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-cjk"></a>CJK</dt><dd><p>
 	    An abbreviation for "Chinese, Japanese and Korean," East
-	    Asian languages which require the use of an <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-input-method">Input method</a> platform due to the large number
+	    Asian languages which require the use of an <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-jb-input-method">Input method</a> platform due to the large number
 	    of possible typographic characters.
-	  </p><p>See Also <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-iiimf">IIIMF</a>.</p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-clearlooks"></a>Clearlooks</dt><dd><p>
+	  </p><p>See Also <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-jb-iiimf">IIIMF</a>.</p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-clearlooks"></a>Clearlooks</dt><dd><p>
 	    Clearlooks is the default theme for a GNOME desktop
 	    environment in Fedora Core 4.  The Clearlooks design is based on
 	    the original <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-jb-bluecurve">Bluecurve</a>.
@@ -269,7 +269,7 @@
 	    also allows the user to pass arguments to the kernel. Refer
 	    to <a href="http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/" target="_top">http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/</a> for more
 	    information about GRUB.
-          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-i18n"></a>i18n</dt><dd><p>
+          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-i18n"></a>i18n</dt><dd><p>
 	    An abbreviation for "internationalization," frequently used
 	    in programming to avoid unnecessary typing and misspellings.
 	    Internationalization is the provision of multiple
@@ -277,7 +277,7 @@
 	    <code class="literal">18</code> derives from the eighteen (18) letters
 	    between the beginning <code class="literal">i</code> and the ending
 	    <code class="literal">n</code>.
-	  </p><p>See Also <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-l10n">l10n</a>.</p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-i386"></a>i386</dt><dd><p>
+	  </p><p>See Also <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-jb-l10n">l10n</a>.</p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-i386"></a>i386</dt><dd><p>
             The entire set of computer processors that are compatible
             with the Intel x86 platform, including Intel Pentium and
             Celeron, AMD Athlon and Duron, and VIA C3 <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-jb-cpu">CPU</a>s, are commonly referred to as
@@ -285,10 +285,10 @@
             <code class="systemitem">i386</code> term is often used as
             shorthand for the distribution set of files meant for this
             line of computers or processors.
-          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-iiimf"></a>IIIMF</dt><dd><p>
+          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-iiimf"></a>IIIMF</dt><dd><p>
 	    The Intranet/Internet Input Method Framework, or
-	    <span class="acronym">IIIMF</span>, is an <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-input-method">Input method</a> framework for handling languages
-	    such as <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-cjk">CJK</a>, which will not map readily
+	    <span class="acronym">IIIMF</span>, is an <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-jb-input-method">Input method</a> framework for handling languages
+	    such as <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-jb-cjk">CJK</a>, which will not map readily
 	    to a standard keyboard device.  IIIMF works by loading
 	    language engines dynamically at runtime as they are
 	    requested by clients.
@@ -305,15 +305,15 @@
 	    Inkscape is a vector graphics illustration program.  It uses
 	    SVG as the default file format.  For more information about
 	    Inkscape, refer to <a href="http://www.inkscape.org/" target="_top">http://www.inkscape.org/</a>.
-	  </p><p>See Also <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-jb-sodipodi">Sodipodi</a>.</p></dd><dt><a name="gl-input-method"></a>Input method</dt><dd><p>
+	  </p><p>See Also <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-jb-sodipodi">Sodipodi</a>.</p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-input-method"></a>Input method</dt><dd><p>
 	    A method used to enter text other than selecting each
 	    character directly on a keyboard or other input
 	    hardware. Input methods are widely used for entering
 	    ideographs and other characters phonetically or by
 	    component, such as in Esat Asian languages.  Fedora Core uses the
-	    <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-iiimf">IIIMF</a> platform by default, but also
-	    offers other platforms such as <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-scim">SCIM</a>.
-	  </p><p>See Also <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-cjk">CJK</a>.</p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-irc"></a>IRC</dt><dd><p>
+	    <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-jb-iiimf">IIIMF</a> platform by default, but also
+	    offers other platforms such as <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-jb-scim">SCIM</a>.
+	  </p><p>See Also <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-jb-cjk">CJK</a>.</p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-irc"></a>IRC</dt><dd><p>
             Internet Relay Chat, or <span class="acronym">IRC</span>, is a
             real-time, text-based form of communication.  You can use
             IRC to have conversations with individuals or groups.  IRC
@@ -356,7 +356,7 @@
 	    in the system's hardware configuration, and configures the
 	    devices for use with Fedora software.  Refer to <a href="http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/additional-projects/kudzu/" target="_top">http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/additional-projects/kudzu/</a>
 	    for more information about <code class="command">kudzu</code>.
-          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-l10n"></a>l10n</dt><dd><p>
+          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-l10n"></a>l10n</dt><dd><p>
 	    An abbreviation for "localization," frequently used in
 	    programming to avoid unnecessary typing and misspelling.
 	    Localization is the provision of nation-specific settings
@@ -364,7 +364,7 @@
 	    other customary symbols.  The <code class="literal">10</code> derives
 	    from the ten letters between the beginning
 	    <code class="literal">l</code> and the ending <code class="literal">n</code>.
-	  </p><p>See Also <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-i18n">i18n</a>.</p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-ldap"></a>LDAP</dt><dd><p>
+	  </p><p>See Also <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-jb-i18n">i18n</a>.</p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-ldap"></a>LDAP</dt><dd><p>
             The Lightweight Directory Access Protocol, or
             <span class="acronym">LDAP</span>, is a standard for hierarchically
             organizing and accessing collections of information.  This
@@ -391,7 +391,7 @@
             about all PCI buses in the system and all devices connected
             to them.  It is frequently used to diagnose problems with
             hardware recognition or driver compatibility.
-          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-md5sum"></a>md5sum</dt><dd><p>
+          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-md5sum"></a>md5sum</dt><dd><p>
             The <code class="command">md5sum</code> utility computes a 128-bit
             message digest hash value for any specified files.  A hash
             value is a "fingerprint" for a given file, created by a
@@ -478,7 +478,7 @@
             by a Red Hat Network subscription and up to 24x7 support with one-hour
             response.  Refer to <a href="http://www.redhat.com/software/rhel/" target="_top">http://www.redhat.com/software/rhel/</a> for more
             information about Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
-          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-rhgb"></a>rhgb</dt><dd><p>
+          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-rhgb"></a>rhgb</dt><dd><p>
             Red Hat Graphical Boot, or
             <span><strong class="application"><span class="acronym">rhgb</span></strong></span>, is an
             optional component of the boot process.  The
@@ -489,7 +489,7 @@
             desired.  Systems that have been upgraded from Red Hat Linux to Fedora Core
             are not configured to include
             <span><strong class="application">rhgb</strong></span>.
-          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-rhn-applet"></a>RHN Applet</dt><dd><p>
+          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-rhn-applet"></a>RHN Applet</dt><dd><p>
             The <span><strong class="application">rhn-applet</strong></span> utility was
             originally designed for use with Red Hat Enterprise Linux and Red Hat Network.
             It provides a notification and user interface for system
@@ -512,20 +512,20 @@
             <code class="command">rsync</code> to create a <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-jb-mirror">mirror</a> of an online resource.  Refer to
             <a href="http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/" target="_top">http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/</a> for more
             information about <code class="command">rsync</code>.
-          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-scim"></a>SCIM</dt><dd><p>
+          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-scim"></a>SCIM</dt><dd><p>
 	    The Smart Common Input Method platform, or
 	    <span class="acronym">SCIM</span>, is a C++ library that abstracts
 	    input method interface into simple, independent classes.
 	    It provides a higher level and simpler interface than some
 	    other input method platforms.
-	  </p><p>See Also <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-input-method">Input method</a>.</p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-selinux"></a>SELinux</dt><dd><p>
+	  </p><p>See Also <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-jb-input-method">Input method</a>.</p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-selinux"></a>SELinux</dt><dd><p>
 	    SELinux is a set of extensions to the Linux <a href="fedora-glossary.php#gl-jb-kernel">kernel</a> that provide extremely strong
             security.  SELinux is based on role definitions, and allows
             very granular control over access to system resources based
             on those roles.  These security measures limit the risk
             associated with computer intrusions by unauthorized persons.
             For more information about SELinux, refer to <a href="http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/" target="_top">http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/</a> and <a href="http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/selinux-faq" target="_top">http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/selinux-faq</a>.
-          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-sha1sum"></a>sha1sum</dt><dd><p>
+          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-sha1sum"></a>sha1sum</dt><dd><p>
             The <code class="command">sha1sum</code> utility computes a 160-bit
             message digest hash value for any specified files.  A hash
             value is a "fingerprint" for a given file, created by a
@@ -589,7 +589,7 @@
             flexible and is suitable for a wide variety of
             configurations such as remote desktops and thin-client
             applications.
-          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-xen"></a>Xen</dt><dd><p>
+          </p></dd><dt><a name="gl-jb-xen"></a>Xen</dt><dd><p>
 	    Xen is an open source virtual machine monitor for Intel x86
 	    machines which supports concurrent execution of multiple
 	    guest operating systems.  Using Xen, an administrator can


Index: index.php
===================================================================
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retrieving revision 1.5
retrieving revision 1.6
diff -u -r1.5 -r1.6
--- index.php	6 Jan 2006 15:21:54 -0000	1.5
+++ index.php	6 Jan 2006 23:32:50 -0000	1.6
@@ -7,7 +7,7 @@
 
 ?>
 
-<div class="navheader"><table width="100%" summary="Navigation header"><tr><th colspan="3" align="center">Fedora Jargon Buster</th></tr><tr><td width="20%" align="left">&#160;</td><th width="60%" align="center">&#160;</th><td width="20%" align="right">&#160;<a accesskey="n" href="fedora-glossary.php">Next</a></td></tr></table><hr></div><div class="article" lang="en"><div class="titlepage"><div><div><h2 class="title"><a name="id2688665"></a>Fedora Jargon Buster</h2></div><div><div class="authorgroup"><div class="author"><h3 class="author"><span class="firstname">Dave</span> <span class="surname">Pawson</span></h3></div><div class="author"><h3 class="author"><span class="firstname">Tammy</span> <span class="surname">Fox</span></h3></div><div class="author"><h3 class="author"><span class="firstname">Paul</span> <span class="othername">W.</span> <span class="surname">Frields</span></h3></div></div></div><div><p class="copyright">Copyright &#169; 2003, 2004 Dave Pawson</p></div>!
 <div><p class="copyright">Copyright &#169; 2003, 2004, 2005 Red Hat, Inc.</p></div><div><p class="copyright">Copyright &#169; 2004, 2005, 2006 Paul W. Frields</p></div><div><a href="ln-legalnotice.php">Legal Notice</a></div><div><a href="rv-revhistory.php">Revision History</a></div></div><hr></div><div class="toc"><dl><dt><span class="glossary"><a href="fedora-glossary.php">Glossary</a></span></dt></dl></div><p>
+<div class="navheader"><table width="100%" summary="Navigation header"><tr><th colspan="3" align="center">Fedora Jargon Buster</th></tr><tr><td width="20%" align="left">&#160;</td><th width="60%" align="center">&#160;</th><td width="20%" align="right">&#160;<a accesskey="n" href="fedora-glossary.php">Next</a></td></tr></table><hr></div><div class="article" lang="en"><div class="titlepage"><div><div><h2 class="title"><a name="id2853726"></a>Fedora Jargon Buster</h2></div><div><div class="authorgroup"><div class="author"><h3 class="author"><span class="firstname">Dave</span> <span class="surname">Pawson</span></h3></div><div class="author"><h3 class="author"><span class="firstname">Tammy</span> <span class="surname">Fox</span></h3></div><div class="author"><h3 class="author"><span class="firstname">Paul</span> <span class="othername">W.</span> <span class="surname">Frields</span></h3></div></div></div><div><p class="copyright">Copyright &#169; 2003, 2004 Dave Pawson</p></div>!
 <div><p class="copyright">Copyright &#169; 2003, 2004, 2005 Red Hat, Inc.</p></div><div><p class="copyright">Copyright &#169; 2004, 2005, 2006 Paul W. Frields</p></div><div><a href="ln-legalnotice.php">Legal Notice</a></div><div><a href="rv-revhistory.php">Revision History</a></div></div><hr></div><div class="toc"><dl><dt><span class="glossary"><a href="fedora-glossary.php">Glossary</a></span></dt></dl></div><p>
     This document clarifies some of the terms used on various lists, web
     pages, and IRC, when talking about Fedora. Many thanks to the people
     on the fedora-list and at Red Hat for their input.  If you cannot find
@@ -18,7 +18,7 @@
     at <a href="http://bugzilla.redhat.com/" target="_top">http://bugzilla.redhat.com/</a>.  When you file your bug, select "Fedora Documentation" as the
     <code class="systemitem">Product</code>, and select the title of this document as
     the <code class="systemitem">Component</code>.  The version of this document is
-    jargon-buster-1.9.5 (2006-01-06).
+    jargon-buster-1.9.5.1 (2006-01-06).
   </p><p>
     The maintainers of this document will automatically receive your bug report.
     On behalf of the entire Fedora community, thank you for helping us make


Index: ln-legalnotice.php
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/jargon-buster/ln-legalnotice.php,v
retrieving revision 1.5
retrieving revision 1.6
diff -u -r1.5 -r1.6
--- ln-legalnotice.php	6 Jan 2006 15:21:54 -0000	1.5
+++ ln-legalnotice.php	6 Jan 2006 23:32:50 -0000	1.6
@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
     They all may be freely redistributed with documentation
     produced for the Fedora Project.
     </p><p>
-    jargon-buster-1.9.5 (2006-01-06)
+    jargon-buster-1.9.5.1 (2006-01-06)
   </p><p>
     Red Hat and the Red Hat "Shadow Man" logo are registered trademarks of
     Red Hat, Inc. in the United States and other countries.


Index: rv-revhistory.php
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/jargon-buster/rv-revhistory.php,v
retrieving revision 1.4
retrieving revision 1.5
diff -u -r1.4 -r1.5
--- rv-revhistory.php	6 Jan 2006 15:21:54 -0000	1.4
+++ rv-revhistory.php	6 Jan 2006 23:32:50 -0000	1.5
@@ -86,6 +86,10 @@
 	    Delineate copyright information, partly for clarity and
 	    partly for properly exercising build tools.
 	  </p>
+	</td></tr><tr><td align="left">Revision 1.9.5.1</td><td align="left">6 Jan 2006</td><td align="left">PaulWFrields</td></tr><tr><td align="left" colspan="3">
+	  <p>
+	    Fix labels to uniformity.
+	  </p>
 	</td></tr></table></div></div>
 
 <?



From pemboa at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 06:52:17 2006
From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:52:17 -0600
Subject: Time to plan the first meeting
In-Reply-To: <16de708d0601032015r6fde2c97ya25d934c4199ed2d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43ACEA62.1030806@n-man.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0512241807360.19215@devserv.devel.redhat.com>
	<43BAF99E.7070503@n-man.com>
	<16de708d0601032010s1349e88by4db9bfffb3e67b1@mail.gmail.com>
	<43BB4B95.5040501@redhat.com>
	<16de708d0601032015r6fde2c97ya25d934c4199ed2d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16de708d0601082252w3dbfaf34g4c226e96ab6a0fbc@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/3/06, Arthur Pemberton <pemboa at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 1/3/06, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram at redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > >
> > >     I don't /think/ this conflicts with any other meeting times.  Any
> > >     objections?
> > >
> > > No objection, except that I have an engagement at 2pm Central. I
> > > assume that meeting will be at irc://freenode/fedora
> >
> > #fedora-websites in freenode. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites for
> > other details.
>
>
> Is the date on the wiki correct " 2006-01-17 19:00 UTC" ?

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From sundaram at redhat.com  Mon Jan  9 06:54:31 2006
From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 12:24:31 +0530
Subject: Time to plan the first meeting
In-Reply-To: <16de708d0601082252w3dbfaf34g4c226e96ab6a0fbc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43ACEA62.1030806@n-man.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0512241807360.19215@devserv.devel.redhat.com>	<43BAF99E.7070503@n-man.com>	<16de708d0601032010s1349e88by4db9bfffb3e67b1@mail.gmail.com>	<43BB4B95.5040501@redhat.com>	<16de708d0601032015r6fde2c97ya25d934c4199ed2d@mail.gmail.com>
	<16de708d0601082252w3dbfaf34g4c226e96ab6a0fbc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43C208A7.4030403@redhat.com>

Hi

> Is the date on the wiki correct " 2006-01-17 19:00 UTC" ?
>
As of now, yes.

-- 
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Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Mon Jan  9 22:12:34 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz (katzj))
Date: Mon,  9 Jan 2006 17:12:34 -0500
Subject: web/html/About/Projects/anaconda-installer index.php,1.1,1.2
Message-ID: <200601092213.k09MD42N016805@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: katzj

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/About/Projects/anaconda-installer
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv16756

Modified Files:
	index.php 
Log Message:
add dcantrell


Index: index.php
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/About/Projects/anaconda-installer/index.php,v
retrieving revision 1.1
retrieving revision 1.2
diff -u -r1.1 -r1.2
--- index.php	29 Nov 2005 17:30:35 -0000	1.1
+++ index.php	9 Jan 2006 22:12:19 -0000	1.2
@@ -42,6 +42,7 @@
 /* Format: "Full Name", "email at hostname", "Title"
  * Note: Title is optional. If omitted, then your title is "Maintainer" */
 $project->addMaintainer("Jeremy Katz","katzj at redhat.com");
+$project->addContributor("David Cantrell","dcantrell at redhat.com");
 $project->addContributor("Chris Lumens","clumens at redhat.com");
 $project->addContributor("Paul Nasrat","pnasrat at redhat.com");
 $project->addContributor("Peter Jones","pjones at redhat.com");



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 10 01:00:15 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Patrick Barnes (nman64))
Date: Mon,  9 Jan 2006 20:00:15 -0500
Subject: web/html/About/Projects common.inc,1.1,1.2
Message-ID: <200601100100.k0A10ksI021750@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: nman64

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/About/Projects
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv21732/html/About/Projects

Modified Files:
	common.inc 
Log Message:
Add Fedora Legacy to Projects


Index: common.inc
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/About/Projects/common.inc,v
retrieving revision 1.1
retrieving revision 1.2
diff -u -r1.1 -r1.2
--- common.inc	29 Nov 2005 17:30:30 -0000	1.1
+++ common.inc	10 Jan 2006 01:00:13 -0000	1.2
@@ -7,6 +7,7 @@
                 "Extras"=>array("uri"=>"/About/Projects/extras.php"),
                 "Documentation"=>array("uri"=>"/About/Projects/docs.php"),
 		"Translations"=>array("uri"=>"/About/Projects/translations/"),
+		"Legacy"=>array("uri"=>"/About/Projects/legacy.php"),
 );
 
 $core_project_list=array(



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 10 01:02:45 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Patrick Barnes (nman64))
Date: Mon,  9 Jan 2006 20:02:45 -0500
Subject: web/html/About/Projects legacy.php,NONE,1.1
Message-ID: <200601100102.k0A12jO4023412@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: nman64

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/About/Projects
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv23401/html/About/Projects

Added Files:
	legacy.php 
Log Message:
Add Fedora Legacy to Projects


***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'legacy.php'



From stefan at hoelldampf.net  Tue Jan 10 05:56:30 2006
From: stefan at hoelldampf.net (Stefan Hoelldampf)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 21:56:30 -0800
Subject: web/html/About/Projects legacy.php,NONE,1.1
In-Reply-To: <200601100102.k0A12jO4023412@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>
References: <200601100102.k0A12jO4023412@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <43C34C8E.8000005@hoelldampf.net>

Patrick Barnes (nman64) wrote:

> Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/About/Projects

Is there any reason why the directories sometimes have uppercase and
sometimes lowercase names?

Regards,
	Stefan



From nman64 at n-man.com  Tue Jan 10 08:03:17 2006
From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:03:17 -0600
Subject: web/html/About/Projects legacy.php,NONE,1.1
In-Reply-To: <43C34C8E.8000005@hoelldampf.net>
References: <200601100102.k0A12jO4023412@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>
	<43C34C8E.8000005@hoelldampf.net>
Message-ID: <43C36A45.50200@n-man.com>

Stefan Hoelldampf wrote:
> Patrick Barnes (nman64) wrote:
>
> > Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/About/Projects
>
> Is there any reason why the directories sometimes have uppercase and
> sometimes lowercase names?
>
> Regards,
> 	Stefan
>
>   
With the update to fedora.redhat.com that we did in early December, we
started using uppercase directory names in many places.  There are still
exceptions, and the old files are still present.  We are in a
transitional phase, I suppose.

-- 
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nman64 at n-man.com

http://www.n-man.com/
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From kwade at redhat.com  Tue Jan 10 20:02:09 2006
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:02:09 -0800
Subject: web/html/About/Projects legacy.php,NONE,1.1
In-Reply-To: <43C34C8E.8000005@hoelldampf.net>
References: <200601100102.k0A12jO4023412@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>
	<43C34C8E.8000005@hoelldampf.net>
Message-ID: <1136923330.8443.475.camel@erato.phig.org>

On Mon, 2006-01-09 at 21:56 -0800, Stefan Hoelldampf wrote:
> Patrick Barnes (nman64) wrote:
> 
> > Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/About/Projects
> 
> Is there any reason why the directories sometimes have uppercase and
> sometimes lowercase names?

The original content was all lowercase directories.

Greg and Alex recently did a major content facelift and shuffle.  When
they did that, they restructured some content under new Capitalized
directories.

Sorry, I don't know the reasoning behind the decision.

- Karsten
-- 
Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/
gpg fingerprint:  2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115    5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41   
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From gdk at redhat.com  Wed Jan 11 14:46:55 2006
From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:46:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: web/html/About/Projects legacy.php,NONE,1.1
In-Reply-To: <1136923330.8443.475.camel@erato.phig.org>
References: <200601100102.k0A12jO4023412@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>
	<43C34C8E.8000005@hoelldampf.net>
	<1136923330.8443.475.camel@erato.phig.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0601110946160.25066@gdk.devel.redhat.com>


The only "reasoning," such as it was, was to differentiate between "old" 
and "new" content.

--g

---------------------------------------------------------------
Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Foundation || fedoraproject.org
Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors
---------------------------------------------------------------

On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Karsten Wade wrote:

> On Mon, 2006-01-09 at 21:56 -0800, Stefan Hoelldampf wrote:
> > Patrick Barnes (nman64) wrote:
> > 
> > > Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/About/Projects
> > 
> > Is there any reason why the directories sometimes have uppercase and
> > sometimes lowercase names?
> 
> The original content was all lowercase directories.
> 
> Greg and Alex recently did a major content facelift and shuffle.  When
> they did that, they restructured some content under new Capitalized
> directories.
> 
> Sorry, I don't know the reasoning behind the decision.
> 
> - Karsten
> -- 
> Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/
> gpg fingerprint:  2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115    5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41   
> Content Services                          Fedora Documentation Project
> http://www.redhat.com/docs   http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject
> 



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Fri Jan 13 15:09:17 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Karsten Wade (kwade))
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:09:17 -0500
Subject: web/html/About/Projects/translations index.php,1.1,1.2
Message-ID: <200601131509.k0DF9nkg004559@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: kwade

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/About/Projects/translations
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv4541

Modified Files:
	index.php 
Log Message:
Changing the project maintainer, at the direction of Sarah Wang.


Index: index.php
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/About/Projects/translations/index.php,v
retrieving revision 1.1
retrieving revision 1.2
diff -u -r1.1 -r1.2
--- index.php	29 Nov 2005 17:31:07 -0000	1.1
+++ index.php	13 Jan 2006 15:09:15 -0000	1.2
@@ -59,7 +59,8 @@
 ";
 
 /* Contacts */
-$project->addMaintainer("Sarah Wang","sarahs at redhat.com");
+$project->addMaintainer("Amanpreet Singh Alam","aalam at redhat.com");
+$project->addMaintainer("Chester Cheng","ccheng at redhat.com");
 
 $project->addMisc("Bug Reporting, Testing, and Quality Assurance", "
 



From vathna at online.com.kh  Mon Jan 16 04:37:58 2006
From: vathna at online.com.kh (vathna)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:37:58 +0700
Subject: block website in squide
Message-ID: <003301c61a56$a1caa600$6200a8c0@camitsolution.com>

dear all,

Please tell me how to block some website by using SQUID.

best regards,
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From nman64 at n-man.com  Mon Jan 16 06:19:11 2006
From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:19:11 -0600
Subject: block website in squide
In-Reply-To: <003301c61a56$a1caa600$6200a8c0@camitsolution.com>
References: <003301c61a56$a1caa600$6200a8c0@camitsolution.com>
Message-ID: <43CB3ADF.5050805@n-man.com>

Your post is off topic for this list.  You need to see
fedora-list at redhat.com:

http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list

See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PostIsOffTopic for more information.

-- 
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From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Mon Jan 16 18:23:29 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Elliot Lee (sopwith))
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:23:29 -0500
Subject: web/html/About/schedule index.php, 1.3, 1.4 fedora-project.ics, 1.1,
	NONE
Message-ID: <200601161824.k0GIO025003437@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: sopwith

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/About/schedule
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv3395

Modified Files:
	index.php 
Removed Files:
	fedora-project.ics 
Log Message:
fix


Index: index.php
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/About/schedule/index.php,v
retrieving revision 1.3
retrieving revision 1.4
diff -u -r1.3 -r1.4
--- index.php	20 Dec 2005 22:46:47 -0000	1.3
+++ index.php	16 Jan 2006 18:23:27 -0000	1.4
@@ -19,8 +19,8 @@
 
 <p>Documentation and translation of content depends on this schedule.  The documentation schedule is found on the <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule"></a> wiki page.</p>
 
-<p>You can <a href="webcal://fedora.redhat.com/About/schedule/fedora-project.ics">subscribe to this calendar</a> 
-or <a href="fedora-project.ics">download it</a>.
+<p>You can <a href="webcal://fedora.redhat.com/participate/schedule/fedora-project.ics">subscribe to this calendar</a> 
+or <a href="/participate/schedule/fedora-project.ics">download it</a>.
 
 <div class="table">
 <table summary="Fedora Core 5 Schedule" border ="1">


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From sundaram at redhat.com  Mon Jan 16 20:56:42 2006
From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 02:26:42 +0530
Subject: Meeting reminder
Message-ID: <43CC088A.3050206@redhat.com>

Hi

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings

-- 
Rahul 

Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers



From dfong at redhat.com  Mon Jan 16 21:05:30 2006
From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:05:30 -0500
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
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Alrighty...

Here are my mockups.
http://www.isity.net/artFedora/01Index.png
http://www.isity.net/artFedora/02Category.png
http://www.isity.net/artFedora/03Entry01.png
http://www.isity.net/artFedora/03Entry02.png
http://www.isity.net/artFedora/04About.png

The site should be centered (recenter with window size change).  The
background color should be #434343.

What do you think?
I'm open to category changes and other navigation options.

Thanks again for helping!
Diana


On Wed, 2006-01-04 at 13:46 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> 
> 
> On 1/4/06, Diana Fong <dfong at redhat.com> wrote:
>         
>         How much flexibility would I have?...are there restrictions
>         that I
>         should take into consideration in my mockups? 
> 
> I am as flexible as theire are online tutorials. Infact I would like
> restrictions as to what html spec to use, etc. 
> 
> 
>          Alternatively I could
>         make a couple and we can figure it out from there.  But be
>         forewarned, 
>         it won't look too much like kde-look.
> 
> I would appreciate if you made a  couple. That is in no way a problem,
> I like the functionality of kde-look.org more so than the design. I am
> more concerned with following whatever look the Fedora project may or
> may not have. 
> 
> 
>         Thanks again for taking on this task.  I should have something
>         for you
>         in a couple of days.
> 
> No problem, it is my pleasure.
> 
> 
>         Diana
>         
>         
>         On Tue, 2006-01-03 at 22:22 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote: 
>         > On 1/3/06, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram at redhat.com> wrote:
>         >         Hi
>         >
>         >         >
>         >         > Great. As soon as I get back to my main machine. I
>         will get 
>         >         started.
>         >         > Still, any design guideliness for the site?
>         >
>         >         Perhaps Diana fong (CC'ed) can provide some mockups.
>         In
>         >         general other
>         >         similar sites could be used for inspiration and
>         functionality. 
>         >
>         > Ok, I shall wait for word from Ms. Fong, otherwise I will
>         take
>         > inspiration from the Fedora logo and kde-look.org.
>         >
>         > --
>         > As a boy I jumped through Windows, as a man I play with
>         Penguins. 
>         
>         --
>         Fedora-websites-list mailing list
>         Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
>         https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> As a boy I jumped through Windows, as a man I play with Penguins.



From chitlesh at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 21:12:43 2006
From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:12:43 +0100
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
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> Here are my mockups.
> http://www.isity.net/artFedora/01Index.png
> http://www.isity.net/artFedora/02Category.png
> http://www.isity.net/artFedora/03Entry01.png
> http://www.isity.net/artFedora/03Entry02.png
> http://www.isity.net/artFedora/04About.png

WOW these are great
+1

--
http://clunixchit.blogspot.com



From sundaram at redhat.com  Mon Jan 16 21:14:31 2006
From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 02:44:31 +0530
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
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Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:

>>Here are my mockups.
>>http://www.isity.net/artFedora/01Index.png
>>http://www.isity.net/artFedora/02Category.png
>>http://www.isity.net/artFedora/03Entry01.png
>>http://www.isity.net/artFedora/03Entry02.png
>>http://www.isity.net/artFedora/04About.png
>>    
>>
>
>WOW these are great
>+1
>  
>
Agreed. Now someone needs to build the actual application and we are 
ready to shoot ahead.

-- 
Rahul 

Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers



From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info  Mon Jan 16 21:05:23 2006
From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:05:23 -0000 (GMT)
Subject: Meeting times
Message-ID: <45197.192.168.0.2.1137445523.squirrel@192.168.0.2>

Apologies for suddenly posting rather than joining in the discussions
about the weekly meeting times - missed the actual times until I was
pointed to it :)

Anyway.. Tuesday night is bad for me. Any chance the day can be changed,
or even done on rotation?

Doesn't matter if not - I'm not exactly active ;)


Clair



From ivazquez at ivazquez.net  Mon Jan 16 22:26:54 2006
From: ivazquez at ivazquez.net (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:26:54 -0500
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
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On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 02:44 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
> 
> >>Here are my mockups.
> >>http://www.isity.net/artFedora/01Index.png
> >>http://www.isity.net/artFedora/02Category.png
> >>http://www.isity.net/artFedora/03Entry01.png
> >>http://www.isity.net/artFedora/03Entry02.png
> >>http://www.isity.net/artFedora/04About.png
> >
> >WOW these are great
> >+1
> >
> Agreed. Now someone needs to build the actual application and we are 
> ready to shoot ahead.

I'd just like to throw my support behind TurboGears
(http://www.turbogears.org/) for this one. Presumably it's going to be
on its own hostname (art.fedoraproject.org?) so there won't be
interference with other web applications.

I could go into a long diatribe about how easy and flexible and etc. TG
is, but I recommend you take a look at it yourself.

The only downside is that it requires a daemon that uses Python, but
OTOH if the machine will be running Zope and/or Python CGI then I can't
really see that being a problem.

Unfortunately I don't have any time to work on it directly myself, but
I'm certainly happy to provide direction for those that do. Also,
#fedora-python now exists on Freenode for those that want more info
about Python et al.

BTW, *amazing* job Diana. Also, do you do [X]HTML or just mock-ups?

-- 
Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams <ivazquez at ivazquez.net>
http://fedora.ivazquez.net/

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From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Elliot Lee (sopwith))
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:48:56 -0500
Subject: web/html/Download vendors.list,1.5,1.6
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+++ vendors.list	16 Jan 2006 22:48:54 -0000	1.6
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+<a href="http://www.LinuxISOs.de/">LinuxISOs.de<? /* bestellung at linuxisos.de */ ?></a>::<a href="http://www.linuxisos.de/catalog/index.php/cPath/161_51">CDs or DVD</a>::7.00 - 11.00 EUR
+
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Log Message:
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From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 17 02:32:43 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:32:43 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-ja_JP/figs - New
	directory
Message-ID: <200601170232.k0H2Whtc023333@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-ja_JP/figs
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv23324/figs

Log Message:
Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-ja_JP/figs added to the repository




From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 17 02:32:49 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:32:49 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-ja_JP/stylesheet-images
	- New directory
Message-ID: <200601170232.k0H2WnmZ023349@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-ja_JP/stylesheet-images
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv23324/stylesheet-images

Log Message:
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From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 17 02:34:17 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:34:17 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-ru/figs - New directory
Message-ID: <200601170234.k0H2YHWg023375@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-ru/figs
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv23366/figs

Log Message:
Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-ru/figs added to the repository




From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 17 02:34:23 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:34:23 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-ru/stylesheet-images -
	New directory
Message-ID: <200601170234.k0H2YNQo023391@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-ru/stylesheet-images
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv23366/stylesheet-images

Log Message:
Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-ru/stylesheet-images added to the repository




From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 17 02:36:29 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:36:29 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-zh_CN/figs - New
	directory
Message-ID: <200601170236.k0H2aTu0023422@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-zh_CN/figs
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv23413/figs

Log Message:
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From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 17 02:36:35 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:36:35 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-zh_CN/stylesheet-images
	- New directory
Message-ID: <200601170236.k0H2aZ2k023438@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-zh_CN/stylesheet-images
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv23413/stylesheet-images

Log Message:
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From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 17 02:40:04 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:40:04 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-en fedora.css, NONE,
	1.1 index.php, NONE, 1.1 ln-legalnotice.php, NONE,
	1.1 sn-anaconda.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-arch-specific.php, NONE,
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	1.1 sn-package-movement.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-package-notes.php,
	NONE, 1.1 sn-test.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-whatitis.php, NONE,
	1.1 watermark.png, NONE, 1.1
Message-ID: <200601170240.k0H2e4qS023507@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-en
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	sn-package-notes.php sn-test.php sn-whatitis.php watermark.png 
Log Message:
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--- NEW FILE fedora.css ---
/*

CSS for Red Hat Linux Project docs from the Documentation Project

Written by Tammy Fox and Garrett LeSage

Copyright 2003 Tammy Fox, Garrett LeSage, and Red Hat, Inc.
Copywight 2005 Tommy Reynolds <Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com>

License: GPL

*/

body	{
	background-attachment	scroll;
	background-color:	#FEFEFF;
	background-image:	url('watermark.png');
	background-position:	top center;
	background-repeat:	repeat;
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li p {
	display: inline;
}

div.table table {
	width: 95%;
	background-color: #DCDCDC;
	color: #000000;
	border-spacing: 0;
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div.table table th {
	border: 1px solid #A9A9A9;
	background-color: #A9A9A9;
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}

div.table table td {
	border: 1px solid #A9A9A9;
	background-color: #DCDCDC;
	color: #000000;
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}

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	background-color: #FAF9E0;
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	margin-top: 0.5em;
}

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.qandaset tr.answer td {
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.qandaset tr.question td, .qandaset tr.answer td {
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hr {
	border: 0;
	border-bottom: 1px solid #ccc;
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From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 17 02:40:10 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:40:10 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-en/figs
	Fedora_Desktop.png, NONE, 1.1
Message-ID: <200601170240.k0H2eA90023524@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-en/figs
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv23465/test2-latest-en/figs

Added Files:
	Fedora_Desktop.png 
Log Message:
Added latest FC5t2 relnotes from HEAD



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 17 02:40:15 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:40:15 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-en/stylesheet-images
	1.png, NONE, 1.1 10.png, NONE, 1.1 11.png, NONE, 1.1 12.png,
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	NONE, 1.1 note.png, NONE, 1.1 tip.png, NONE, 1.1 warning.png,
	NONE, 1.1
Message-ID: <200601170240.k0H2eFbM023560@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-en/stylesheet-images
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Log Message:
Added latest FC5t2 relnotes from HEAD



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 17 02:40:21 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:40:21 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-it fedora.css, NONE,
	1.1 index.php, NONE, 1.1 ln-legalnotice.php, NONE,
	1.1 sn-anaconda.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-arch-specific.php, NONE,
	1.1 sn-intro.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-legacy.php, NONE,
	1.1 sn-legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-networking.php, NONE,
	1.1 sn-overview.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-package-misc.php, NONE,
	1.1 sn-package-movement.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-package-notes.php,
	NONE, 1.1 sn-test.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-whatitis.php, NONE,
	1.1 watermark.png, NONE, 1.1
Message-ID: <200601170240.k0H2eLP4023592@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-it
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	sn-package-misc.php sn-package-movement.php 
	sn-package-notes.php sn-test.php sn-whatitis.php watermark.png 
Log Message:
Added latest FC5t2 relnotes from HEAD


--- NEW FILE fedora.css ---
/*

CSS for Red Hat Linux Project docs from the Documentation Project

Written by Tammy Fox and Garrett LeSage

Copyright 2003 Tammy Fox, Garrett LeSage, and Red Hat, Inc.
Copywight 2005 Tommy Reynolds <Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com>

License: GPL

*/

body	{
	background-attachment	scroll;
	background-color:	#FEFEFF;
	background-image:	url('watermark.png');
	background-position:	top center;
	background-repeat:	repeat;
}

li p {
	display: inline;
}

div.table table {
	width: 95%;
	background-color: #DCDCDC;
	color: #000000;
	border-spacing: 0;
}

div.table table th {
	border: 1px solid #A9A9A9;
	background-color: #A9A9A9;
	color: #000000;
}

div.table table td {
	border: 1px solid #A9A9A9;
	background-color: #DCDCDC;
	color: #000000;
	padding: 0.5em;
	margin-bottom: 0.5em;
	margin-top: 2px;

}

div.note table, div.tip table, div.important table, div.caution table, div.warning table {
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	border: 2px solid #D0D0B0;
	background-color: #FAF9E0;
	color: #000000;
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	margin-bottom: 0.5em;
	margin-top: 0.5em;
}

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}

hr {
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	border-bottom: 1px solid #ccc;
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	font-family: monospace;
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	padding: 10px;
	border: 1px solid #bbb;
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From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 17 02:40:27 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:40:27 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-it/figs
	Fedora_Desktop.png, NONE, 1.1
Message-ID: <200601170240.k0H2eR9b023609@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-it/figs
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv23465/test2-latest-it/figs

Added Files:
	Fedora_Desktop.png 
Log Message:
Added latest FC5t2 relnotes from HEAD



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 17 02:40:32 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:40:32 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-it/stylesheet-images
	1.png, NONE, 1.1 10.png, NONE, 1.1 11.png, NONE, 1.1 12.png,
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	NONE, 1.1 note.png, NONE, 1.1 tip.png, NONE, 1.1 warning.png,
	NONE, 1.1
Message-ID: <200601170240.k0H2eWYu023645@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-it/stylesheet-images
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Added Files:
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Log Message:
Added latest FC5t2 relnotes from HEAD



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 17 02:40:38 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:40:38 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-ja_JP fedora.css, NONE,
	1.1 index.php, NONE, 1.1 ln-legalnotice.php, NONE,
	1.1 sn-anaconda.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-arch-specific.php, NONE,
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	1.1 sn-whatitis.php, NONE, 1.1 watermark.png, NONE, 1.1
Message-ID: <200601170240.k0H2ec6R023677@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-ja_JP
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Added Files:
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	sn-whatitis.php watermark.png 
Log Message:
Added latest FC5t2 relnotes from HEAD


--- NEW FILE fedora.css ---
/*

CSS for Red Hat Linux Project docs from the Documentation Project

Written by Tammy Fox and Garrett LeSage

Copyright 2003 Tammy Fox, Garrett LeSage, and Red Hat, Inc.
Copywight 2005 Tommy Reynolds <Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com>

License: GPL

*/

body	{
	background-attachment	scroll;
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li p {
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div.table table {
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From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 17 02:40:44 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:40:44 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-ja_JP/figs
	Fedora_Desktop.png, NONE, 1.1
Message-ID: <200601170240.k0H2eiRU023694@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-ja_JP/figs
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv23465/test2-latest-ja_JP/figs

Added Files:
	Fedora_Desktop.png 
Log Message:
Added latest FC5t2 relnotes from HEAD



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 17 02:40:49 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:40:49 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-ja_JP/stylesheet-images
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	NONE, 1.1
Message-ID: <200601170240.k0H2eno3023730@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-ja_JP/stylesheet-images
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Log Message:
Added latest FC5t2 relnotes from HEAD



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 17 02:40:55 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:40:55 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-ru fedora.css, NONE,
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	1.1 sn-anaconda.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-arch-specific.php, NONE,
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	1.1 sn-package-movement.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-package-notes.php,
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	1.1 watermark.png, NONE, 1.1
Message-ID: <200601170240.k0H2etnm023762@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-ru
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Log Message:
Added latest FC5t2 relnotes from HEAD


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CSS for Red Hat Linux Project docs from the Documentation Project

Written by Tammy Fox and Garrett LeSage

Copyright 2003 Tammy Fox, Garrett LeSage, and Red Hat, Inc.
Copywight 2005 Tommy Reynolds <Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com>

License: GPL

*/

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From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 17 02:41:00 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:41:00 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-ru/figs
	Fedora_Desktop.png, NONE, 1.1
Message-ID: <200601170241.k0H2f0Yu023779@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-ru/figs
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv23465/test2-latest-ru/figs

Added Files:
	Fedora_Desktop.png 
Log Message:
Added latest FC5t2 relnotes from HEAD



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 17 02:41:07 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:41:07 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-ru/stylesheet-images
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Message-ID: <200601170241.k0H2f7fc023815@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-ru/stylesheet-images
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Log Message:
Added latest FC5t2 relnotes from HEAD



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 17 02:41:12 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:41:12 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-zh_CN fedora.css, NONE,
	1.1 index.php, NONE, 1.1 ln-legalnotice.php, NONE,
	1.1 sn-anaconda.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-arch-specific.php, NONE,
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	1.1 sn-package-notes.php, NONE, 1.1 sn-test.php, NONE,
	1.1 sn-whatitis.php, NONE, 1.1 watermark.png, NONE, 1.1
Message-ID: <200601170241.k0H2fCGM023846@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-zh_CN
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Log Message:
Added latest FC5t2 relnotes from HEAD


--- NEW FILE fedora.css ---
/*

CSS for Red Hat Linux Project docs from the Documentation Project

Written by Tammy Fox and Garrett LeSage

Copyright 2003 Tammy Fox, Garrett LeSage, and Red Hat, Inc.
Copywight 2005 Tommy Reynolds <Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com>

License: GPL

*/

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From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 17 02:41:18 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:41:18 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-zh_CN/figs
	Fedora_Desktop.png, NONE, 1.1
Message-ID: <200601170241.k0H2fIPh023863@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-zh_CN/figs
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv23465/test2-latest-zh_CN/figs

Added Files:
	Fedora_Desktop.png 
Log Message:
Added latest FC5t2 relnotes from HEAD



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 17 02:41:24 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:41:24 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-zh_CN/stylesheet-images
	1.png, NONE, 1.1 10.png, NONE, 1.1 11.png, NONE, 1.1 12.png,
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	NONE, 1.1 note.png, NONE, 1.1 tip.png, NONE, 1.1 warning.png,
	NONE, 1.1
Message-ID: <200601170241.k0H2fOON023899@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-zh_CN/stylesheet-images
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv23465/test2-latest-zh_CN/stylesheet-images

Added Files:
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Log Message:
Added latest FC5t2 relnotes from HEAD



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 17 02:42:32 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:42:32 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/release-notes index.php,1.12,1.13
Message-ID: <200601170243.k0H2h3Y8023929@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv23911

Modified Files:
	index.php 
Log Message:
Change tip to include latest HEAD -- still need the tagged versions at ISO spin


Index: index.php
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/release-notes/index.php,v
retrieving revision 1.12
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-These are the latest release notes, updated for FC5 test1:
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-<a href="/docs/release-notes/fc5/test1-latest-it/">it</a> |
-<a href="/docs/release-notes/fc5/test1-latest-ru/">ru</a>
+<a href="/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-en/">en</a> |
+<a href="/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-it/">it</a> |
+<a href="/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-ru/">ru</a> |
+<a href="/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-ja_JP/">ja_JP</a> |
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@@ -33,7 +35,7 @@
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 <a href="/docs/release-notes/fc5/test1-ru/">ru</a> |
 <a href="/docs/release-notes/fc5/test1-zh_CN/">zh_CN</a>
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From pemboa at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 04:24:29 2006
From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:24:29 -0600
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
In-Reply-To: <1137450414.26538.8.camel@ignacio.lan>
References: <43B32FEB.4010904@redhat.com>
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On 1/16/06, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams <ivazquez at ivazquez.net> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 02:44 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
> I'd just like to throw my support behind TurboGears
> (http://www.turbogears.org/) for this one. Presumably it's going to be
> on its own hostname (art.fedoraproject.org?) so there won't be
> interference with other web applications.
>
> Thanks for the Turbo Gear suggestion. I looked at it, and it seems very
interesting to me. I am just not sure, that I am willing to add this layer
of unfamiliar tech to this project. It seems like something I would look
into personally for future project however.

The project is intended to be written in Python, so in that regard TG would
fit right in.

Arthur
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From dfong at redhat.com  Tue Jan 17 16:14:32 2006
From: dfong at redhat.com (Diana Fong)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:14:32 -0500
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
In-Reply-To: <1137450414.26538.8.camel@ignacio.lan>
References: <43B32FEB.4010904@redhat.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0601031515100.5439@devserv.devel.redhat.com>
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Message-ID: <1137514472.5053.3.camel@marshall.boston.redhat.com>

On Mon, 2006-01-16 at 17:26 -0500, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote:
> BTW, *amazing* job Diana. Also, do you do [X]HTML or just mock-ups?


Thanks.  While I do HTML...theses are mockups...just images.  My hope is
that someone with more skills (nudges Arthur) than I can take on the
task of implementing the art.fedora site.  

Diana



From nman64 at n-man.com  Wed Jan 18 08:42:11 2006
From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:42:11 -0600
Subject: Meeting Minutes - 2006-01-17
Message-ID: <43CDFF63.9060004@n-man.com>

== Present ==

ArthurPemberton
BobJensen
DianaFong
HrishikeshBallal
IgnacioVazquezAbrams
PatrickBarnes
RahulSundaram
ThomasChung

== Notes ==

 * The fedoraproject.org transition
 We're making fedoraproject.org the primary Fedora site.  We now have a
note on fedora.redhat.com.  This move is being conducted because of the
success of fedoraproject.org in surpassing fedora.redhat.com as a robust
and up-to-date Fedora resource.  The remaining static content from
fedora.redhat.com we want moved to fedoraproject.org in our upcoming CMS
solution.

 * CMS Decision
 We need to select a CMS solution to use on fedoraproject.org to handle
more static content and documents we want on a real workflow.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/CMS has details covering current
thinking.  If we can discuss this on-list and come to agreement on the
direction we want to move, we'll begin setting up for testing. 
Zope+Plone seems to be gaining preference.  We may also want to include
a gallery add-on until a real solution for art.fedoraproject.org is
ready.  If we don't want Plone, we can use Zope 3 instead of Zope 2,
which has performance and future-proof advantages.  See the above listed
page for more information; send feedback to the list.

 * Gallery
 ArthurPemberton will be working on implementing an artwork gallery for
art.fedoraproject.org, using DianaFong's designs as a reference for the
appearance.  This will likely involve a lot of work, so volunteers are
welcome to help.  Until this is ready, we'd like to come up with a
temporary solution in our CMS.  If we select a solid framework for our
CMS, Arthur could work within that to save some work.

 * Weekly Report
 BobJensen and HrishikeshBallal have agreed to take up writing the
Websites weekly report.  They're both very busy, so any other volunteers
are welcome to step up and offer assistance.

 * Fedora Journal
 RahulSundaram has introduced fedorajournal.org, which is to provide a
resource for Fedora similar to Red Hat Magazine.  He hopes to bring this
under the Fedora Project umbrella and coordinate this effort with some
of the other news efforts.

In a bit of an uncharacteristic display, `EvilBob` grew a heart and
wished everyone a happy new year to end our story.  Well, Bob, happy new
year to you, too.

Thank you all for your participation and interest.  Details for our next
meeting can be found at http://fedoraproject.org/Websites/Meetings -- I
know that many of you couldn't work with the time we had chosen.  If we
would like to rotate times (which I think would be a nice idea), let's
quickly discuss what kind of a rotation would work best for everyone.

attachment:websites-meeting-2006-01-17.log

-- 
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From nman64 at n-man.com  Wed Jan 18 11:36:22 2006
From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 05:36:22 -0600
Subject: Meeting Minutes - 2006-01-17
In-Reply-To: <43CDFF63.9060004@n-man.com>
References: <43CDFF63.9060004@n-man.com>
Message-ID: <43CE2836.5010806@n-man.com>

Patrick Barnes wrote:
>
> Thank you all for your participation and interest.  Details for our next
> meeting can be found at http://fedoraproject.org/Websites/Meetings -- I
> know that many of you couldn't work with the time we had chosen.  If we
> would like to rotate times (which I think would be a nice idea), let's
> quickly discuss what kind of a rotation would work best for everyone.
>
>   
Correction: The URL in the above paragraph should be:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Meetings

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From tchung at fedora.redhat.com  Wed Jan 18 18:59:12 2006
From: tchung at fedora.redhat.com (Thomas Chung)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:59:12 -0800
Subject: LUG wiki page
Message-ID: <20060118185912.M58269@fedora.redhat.com>

I would like to propose to revamp our LUG wiki page.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxUserGroups

It might be better if we redesign it by Region as we did on Ambassadors CountryList wiki
page.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList

--
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung



From sundaram at redhat.com  Wed Jan 18 19:08:33 2006
From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 00:38:33 +0530
Subject: LUG wiki page
In-Reply-To: <20060118185912.M58269@fedora.redhat.com>
References: <20060118185912.M58269@fedora.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <43CE9231.1090208@redhat.com>

Thomas Chung wrote:

>I would like to propose to revamp our LUG wiki page.
>
>http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxUserGroups
>
>It might be better if we redesign it by Region as we did on Ambassadors CountryList wiki
>page.
>
>http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList
>  
>
Yeah. I was waiting for more LUG's to show up if ever before doing that. 
Now its the right time. Please go ahead.

-- 
Rahul 

Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers



From tchung at fedora.redhat.com  Wed Jan 18 20:18:35 2006
From: tchung at fedora.redhat.com (Thomas Chung)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:18:35 -0800
Subject: LUG wiki page
In-Reply-To: <43CE9231.1090208@redhat.com>
References: <20060118185912.M58269@fedora.redhat.com>
	<43CE9231.1090208@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <20060118201742.M94191@fedora.redhat.com>

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 00:38:33 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote
> Thomas Chung wrote:
> 
> >I would like to propose to revamp our LUG wiki page.
> >
> >http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxUserGroups
> >
> >It might be better if we redesign it by Region as we did on Ambassadors CountryList wiki
> >page.
> >
> >http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList
> >  
> >
> Yeah. I was waiting for more LUG's to show up if ever before doing that. 
> Now its the right time. Please go ahead.
> 
> -- 
> Rahul

Ok, it's ready for a review before we go production.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Temp/LUG

--
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung



From sundaram at redhat.com  Wed Jan 18 20:20:26 2006
From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 01:50:26 +0530
Subject: LUG wiki page
In-Reply-To: <20060118201742.M94191@fedora.redhat.com>
References: <20060118185912.M58269@fedora.redhat.com>	<43CE9231.1090208@redhat.com>
	<20060118201742.M94191@fedora.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <43CEA30A.4090302@redhat.com>

Thomas Chung wrote:

>On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 00:38:33 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote
>  
>
>>Thomas Chung wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I would like to propose to revamp our LUG wiki page.
>>>
>>>http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxUserGroups
>>>
>>>It might be better if we redesign it by Region as we did on Ambassadors CountryList wiki
>>>page.
>>>
>>>http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Yeah. I was waiting for more LUG's to show up if ever before doing that. 
>>Now its the right time. Please go ahead.
>>
>>-- 
>>Rahul
>>    
>>
>
>Ok, it's ready for a review before we go production.
>
>http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Temp/LUG
>
>--
>
Go for it. I already saw it. I watch all wiki changes.

-- 
Rahul 

Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers



From tchung at fedora.redhat.com  Wed Jan 18 20:30:57 2006
From: tchung at fedora.redhat.com (Thomas Chung)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:30:57 -0800
Subject: LUG wiki page
In-Reply-To: <43CEA30A.4090302@redhat.com>
References: <20060118185912.M58269@fedora.redhat.com>	<43CE9231.1090208@redhat.com>
	<20060118201742.M94191@fedora.redhat.com>
	<43CEA30A.4090302@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <20060118202331.M57467@fedora.redhat.com>

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 01:50:26 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote
> >Thomas Chung wrote:
> >Ok, it's ready for a review before we go production.
> >
> >http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Temp/LUG
> >
> >--
> >
> Go for it. I already saw it. I watch all wiki changes.
> 
> -- 
> Rahul

Alright, I saved the old information at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Archive/LinuxUserGroups

And renamed new information at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxUserGroups

New Wiki page is now in production. :)
--
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung



From sundaram at redhat.com  Wed Jan 18 20:39:11 2006
From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 02:09:11 +0530
Subject: LUG wiki page
In-Reply-To: <20060118202331.M57467@fedora.redhat.com>
References: <20060118185912.M58269@fedora.redhat.com>	<43CE9231.1090208@redhat.com>	<20060118201742.M94191@fedora.redhat.com>	<43CEA30A.4090302@redhat.com>
	<20060118202331.M57467@fedora.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <43CEA76F.40804@redhat.com>

Hi

>Alright, I saved the old information at
>http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Archive/LinuxUserGroups
>
>And renamed new information at
>http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxUserGroups
>
>New Wiki page is now in production. :)
>--
>  
>
Excellent. Thanks.


-- 
Rahul 

Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers



From pemboa at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 22:21:49 2006
From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:21:49 -0600
Subject: LUG wiki page
In-Reply-To: <43CEA76F.40804@redhat.com>
References: <20060118185912.M58269@fedora.redhat.com>
	<43CE9231.1090208@redhat.com>
	<20060118201742.M94191@fedora.redhat.com>
	<43CEA30A.4090302@redhat.com>
	<20060118202331.M57467@fedora.redhat.com> <43CEA76F.40804@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <16de708d0601181421w4536dc91pd8ce39ba2773be2e@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/18/06, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram at redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> >Alright, I saved the old information at
> >http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Archive/LinuxUserGroups
> >
> >And renamed new information at
> >http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxUserGroups
> >
> >New Wiki page is now in production. :)
> >--
> >
> >
> Excellent. Thanks.


Missing from the list of  regions is my hoem region, the Caribbean. In all
fairness it does not  come under Central America.  Also, is it okay if I
simply add on the LUGs that I am  in as is the  normal nature of wikis?

--
> Rahul
>
> Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers
>
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> Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
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From sundaram at redhat.com  Wed Jan 18 22:30:16 2006
From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 04:00:16 +0530
Subject: LUG wiki page
In-Reply-To: <16de708d0601181421w4536dc91pd8ce39ba2773be2e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060118185912.M58269@fedora.redhat.com>	<43CE9231.1090208@redhat.com>	<20060118201742.M94191@fedora.redhat.com>	<43CEA30A.4090302@redhat.com>	<20060118202331.M57467@fedora.redhat.com>
	<43CEA76F.40804@redhat.com>
	<16de708d0601181421w4536dc91pd8ce39ba2773be2e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43CEC178.3020509@redhat.com>

Hi

>
> Missing from the list of  regions is my hoem region, the Caribbean. In 
> all fairness it does not  come under Central America.  Also, is it 
> okay if I simply add on the LUGs that I am  in as is the  normal 
> nature of wikis?

Ya. Do it. The whole point of the wiki is that you dont need to ask for 
non-major changes. If you messup, we will scream and revert.

-- 
Rahul 

Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Thu Jan 19 18:10:24 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Karsten Wade (kwade))
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:10:24 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide - New directory
Message-ID: <200601191810.k0JIAOo8001070@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: kwade

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv1061/translation-quick-start-guide

Log Message:
Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide added to the repository




From luya at jpopmail.com  Thu Jan 19 19:03:38 2006
From: luya at jpopmail.com (Luya Tshimbalanga)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:03:38 -0800
Subject: Fedora Art gallery
Message-ID: <20060119190338.6C7C77B52A@ws5-10.us4.outblaze.com>

> The project is intended to be written in Python, so in that regard TG would fit right in.

Speaking about XHTML, I can provide some assistance to heavily optimize TG to use that
standard (version 1.0 and 1.1) although I am heavily involved in french translation of
fedoraproject.org.

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From chitlesh at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 19:42:04 2006
From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:42:04 +0100
Subject: fp:ChitleshGoorah protocol not supported
Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0601191142h48839dc5uc0d646872aa96325@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

On Kubuntu, if you type "ubw:ChitleshGoorah", for example, on
Konqueror, Konqueror will open my wiki page on the
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/.

Do we have a similar protocol on Fedora Core ?
i did fp:ChitleshGoorah
I got Protocol not supported.

ps: I don't have a wiki page on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ .

--
http://clunixchit.blogspot.com



From sundaram at redhat.com  Thu Jan 19 19:45:14 2006
From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:15:14 +0530
Subject: fp:ChitleshGoorah protocol not supported
In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0601191142h48839dc5uc0d646872aa96325@mail.gmail.com>
References: <13dbfe4f0601191142h48839dc5uc0d646872aa96325@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43CFEC4A.2090209@redhat.com>

Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:

>Hello,
>
>On Kubuntu, if you type "ubw:ChitleshGoorah", for example, on
>Konqueror, Konqueror will open my wiki page on the
>https://wiki.ubuntu.com/.
>
>Do we have a similar protocol on Fedora Core ?
>i did fp:ChitleshGoorah
>I got Protocol not supported.
>
>ps: I don't have a wiki page on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ .
>
>--
>http://clunixchit.blogspot.com
>
>  
>
That should be easy enough to implement as a keyword. File a RFE against 
Firefox, Mozilla suite and Konqueror and pass on the bugzilla numbers to 
this list.


-- 
Rahul 

Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers



From chitlesh at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 20:22:57 2006
From: chitlesh at gmail.com (Chitlesh GOORAH)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:22:57 +0100
Subject: fp:ChitleshGoorah protocol not supported
In-Reply-To: <43CFEC4A.2090209@redhat.com>
References: <13dbfe4f0601191142h48839dc5uc0d646872aa96325@mail.gmail.com>
	<43CFEC4A.2090209@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0601191222y59422f89h100fc4d7256cf083@mail.gmail.com>

> That should be easy enough to implement as a keyword. File a RFE against
> Firefox, Mozilla suite and Konqueror and pass on the bugzilla numbers to
> this list.

Thanks, true it was quite easy :)
I blogged it the steps here
http://clunixchit.blogspot.com/2006/01/fpchitleshgoorah.html


--
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From sundaram at redhat.com  Thu Jan 19 20:26:19 2006
From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:56:19 +0530
Subject: fp:ChitleshGoorah protocol not supported
In-Reply-To: <13dbfe4f0601191222y59422f89h100fc4d7256cf083@mail.gmail.com>
References: <13dbfe4f0601191142h48839dc5uc0d646872aa96325@mail.gmail.com>	<43CFEC4A.2090209@redhat.com>
	<13dbfe4f0601191222y59422f89h100fc4d7256cf083@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43CFF5EB.5050800@redhat.com>

Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:

>>That should be easy enough to implement as a keyword. File a RFE against
>>Firefox, Mozilla suite and Konqueror and pass on the bugzilla numbers to
>>this list.
>>    
>>
>
>Thanks, true it was quite easy :)
>I blogged it the steps here
>http://clunixchit.blogspot.com/2006/01/fpchitleshgoorah.html
>  
>

File a RFE against the all the browsers shipped in Fedora Core still. 
This is nifty to have by default.

-- 
Rahul 

Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers



From pemboa at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 00:34:20 2006
From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:34:20 -0600
Subject: Idea / Suggestion
Message-ID: <16de708d0601191634u10dabe30o1e50aefdcbdfb7ff@mail.gmail.com>

Hello to all.

Just two ideas I wanted to put forward for discussion:

1) Setting up of mailing list searching facilities to fedoraproject.org to
better search the list archives. I have seen calls for better search
capabilities of the archives numerous times on the mailing lists for Fedora.
I would suggest setting up a system to archive, search, rate (mod), and
maybe even allow for batch download of archive for offline viewing.

2) Setting up of a system to log and search chatter from the IRC channels
for later use.

That ways new posters have less of a reason to not check up on past posts
before posting their own queries. A page outlining guidelines for creating a
good post would be a nice compliment.

My $.002
Arthur Pemberton

--
As a boy I jumped through Windows, as a man I play with Penguins.
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From sundaram at redhat.com  Fri Jan 20 00:47:01 2006
From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:17:01 +0530
Subject: Idea / Suggestion
In-Reply-To: <16de708d0601191634u10dabe30o1e50aefdcbdfb7ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <16de708d0601191634u10dabe30o1e50aefdcbdfb7ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43D03305.6010906@redhat.com>

Arthur Pemberton wrote:

> Hello to all.
>
> Just two ideas I wanted to put forward for discussion:
>
> 1) Setting up of mailing list searching facilities to 
> fedoraproject.org <http://fedoraproject.org> to better search the list 
> archives. I have seen calls for better search capabilities of the 
> archives numerous times on the mailing lists for Fedora. I would 
> suggest setting up a system to archive, search, rate (mod), and maybe 
> even allow for batch download of archive for offline viewing.

What software is available for this?

>
> 2) Setting up of a system to log and search chatter from the IRC 
> channels for later use.

This would help - http://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/. In python of course :-)

>
> That ways new posters have less of a reason to not check up on past 
> posts before posting their own queries. A page outlining guidelines 
> for creating a good post would be a nice compliment.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityConduct


-- 
Rahul 

Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers



From pemboa at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 01:11:45 2006
From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:11:45 -0600
Subject: Idea / Suggestion
In-Reply-To: <43D03305.6010906@redhat.com>
References: <16de708d0601191634u10dabe30o1e50aefdcbdfb7ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<43D03305.6010906@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <16de708d0601191711l9880bd9qef8fdd0fdc60dae2@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/19/06, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram at redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>
> > Hello to all.
> >
> > Just two ideas I wanted to put forward for discussion:
> >
> > 1) Setting up of mailing list searching facilities to
> > fedoraproject.org <http://fedoraproject.org> to better search the list
> > archives. I have seen calls for better search capabilities of the
> > archives numerous times on the mailing lists for Fedora. I would
> > suggest setting up a system to archive, search, rate (mod), and maybe
> > even allow for batch download of archive for offline viewing.
>
> What software is available for this?


I know of none such, yet at least.

>
> > 2) Setting up of a system to log and search chatter from the IRC
> > channels for later use.
>
> This would help - http://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/. In python of course :-)


Very nice. I like it already.

>
> > That ways new posters have less of a reason to not check up on past
> > posts before posting their own queries. A page outlining guidelines
> > for creating a good post would be a nice compliment.
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityConduct


Ok, fair enough. This brings up another issue for however. Is it the nature
of wikis that they are not very surfing friendly? Ie. most of the content in
the wiki seems best got to via searching. The wiki as it stands now, doesn't
seem to promote leisurely browsing, this, I guess however, is subjective.

--
> Rahul
>
> Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers
>
> --
As a boy I jumped through Windows, as a man I play with Penguins.
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From sundaram at redhat.com  Fri Jan 20 01:24:43 2006
From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:54:43 +0530
Subject: Idea / Suggestion
In-Reply-To: <16de708d0601191711l9880bd9qef8fdd0fdc60dae2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <16de708d0601191634u10dabe30o1e50aefdcbdfb7ff@mail.gmail.com>	<43D03305.6010906@redhat.com>
	<16de708d0601191711l9880bd9qef8fdd0fdc60dae2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43D03BDB.5030706@redhat.com>

Hi

>     http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityConduct
>     <http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityConduct>
>
>
> Ok, fair enough. This brings up another issue for however. Is it the 
> nature of wikis that they are not very surfing friendly? Ie. most of 
> the content in the wiki seems best got to via searching. The wiki as 
> it stands now, doesn't seem to promote leisurely browsing, this, I 
> guess however, is subjective.

We are striving very hard to provide this. I know most of the pages by 
heart and I am too close to provide a subjective view but you could make 
sure that each of the pages are reachable from the frontpage in four 
clicks as a rule of thumb. If not I will consider that a bug.  If you 
want to help, get to the index page and verify that each of the pages 
list are easily accessible in such a manner and if not send me a list of 
pages which do not meet this criteria and I will fix the problem.

-- 
Rahul 

Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers



From pemboa at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 01:28:04 2006
From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:28:04 -0600
Subject: Idea / Suggestion
In-Reply-To: <43D03BDB.5030706@redhat.com>
References: <16de708d0601191634u10dabe30o1e50aefdcbdfb7ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<43D03305.6010906@redhat.com>
	<16de708d0601191711l9880bd9qef8fdd0fdc60dae2@mail.gmail.com>
	<43D03BDB.5030706@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <16de708d0601191728q47233f04ke8540dd062175fbc@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/19/06, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram at redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> >     http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityConduct
> >     <http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityConduct>
> >
> >
> > Ok, fair enough. This brings up another issue for however. Is it the
> > nature of wikis that they are not very surfing friendly? Ie. most of
> > the content in the wiki seems best got to via searching. The wiki as
> > it stands now, doesn't seem to promote leisurely browsing, this, I
> > guess however, is subjective.
>
> We are striving very hard to provide this. I know most of the pages by
> heart and I am too close to provide a subjective view but you could make
> sure that each of the pages are reachable from the frontpage in four
> clicks as a rule of thumb. If not I will consider that a bug.  If you
> want to help, get to the index page and verify that each of the pages
> list are easily accessible in such a manner and if not send me a list of
> pages which do not meet this criteria and I will fix the problem.


Seems to me like an excuse to write a  script.

--
> Rahul
>
> Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers
>
> --
> Fedora-websites-list mailing list
> Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
>



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From sundaram at redhat.com  Fri Jan 20 01:31:15 2006
From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:01:15 +0530
Subject: Idea / Suggestion
In-Reply-To: <16de708d0601191728q47233f04ke8540dd062175fbc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <16de708d0601191634u10dabe30o1e50aefdcbdfb7ff@mail.gmail.com>	<43D03305.6010906@redhat.com>	<16de708d0601191711l9880bd9qef8fdd0fdc60dae2@mail.gmail.com>	<43D03BDB.5030706@redhat.com>
	<16de708d0601191728q47233f04ke8540dd062175fbc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43D03D63.2020003@redhat.com>

Hi

>
>     We are striving very hard to provide this. I know most of the pages by
>     heart and I am too close to provide a subjective view but you
>     could make
>     sure that each of the pages are reachable from the frontpage in four
>     clicks as a rule of thumb. If not I will consider that a bug.  If you
>     want to help, get to the index page and verify that each of the pages
>     list are easily accessible in such a manner and if not send me a
>     list of
>     pages which do not meet this criteria and I will fix the problem.
>
>
> Seems to me like an excuse to write a  script.

Do that and be my community hero.


-- 
Rahul 

Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers



From bela.pesics at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 08:41:25 2006
From: bela.pesics at gmail.com (Bela Pesics)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:41:25 +0100
Subject: Idea / Suggestion
In-Reply-To: <43D03D63.2020003@redhat.com>
References: <16de708d0601191634u10dabe30o1e50aefdcbdfb7ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<43D03305.6010906@redhat.com>
	<16de708d0601191711l9880bd9qef8fdd0fdc60dae2@mail.gmail.com>
	<43D03BDB.5030706@redhat.com>
	<16de708d0601191728q47233f04ke8540dd062175fbc@mail.gmail.com>
	<43D03D63.2020003@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <f67c87220601200041p7832678iab239e6e471fe949@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/20/06, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram at redhat.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> >
> >     We are striving very hard to provide this. I know most of the pages by
> >     heart and I am too close to provide a subjective view but you
> >     could make
> >     sure that each of the pages are reachable from the frontpage in four
> >     clicks as a rule of thumb. If not I will consider that a bug.  If you
> >     want to help, get to the index page and verify that each of the pages
> >     list are easily accessible in such a manner and if not send me a
> >     list of
> >     pages which do not meet this criteria and I will fix the problem.
> >
> >
> > Seems to me like an excuse to write a  script.
>
> Do that and be my community hero.
>

For the time being, it would be extremely helpful to include
[[TitleIndex]] (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/TitleIndex) on the front
page.

Also consider:
 - fedora* sites under *.fedoraproject.org domain (at least as a redirect)
 - sitemap (tree of talking assorted titles, max. 5 words comment)

Bela



From sopwith at redhat.com  Fri Jan 20 16:55:49 2006
From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:55:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: On building a good-looking web site
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0601201154530.14227@devserv.devel.redhat.com>

http://www.websiteoptimization.com/speed/tweak/blink/

Very interesting article with examples of the specific factors that matter 
when building a good-looking web site.

Best,
-- Elliot



From ivazquez at ivazquez.net  Sat Jan 21 01:55:57 2006
From: ivazquez at ivazquez.net (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:55:57 -0500
Subject: On building a good-looking web site
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0601201154530.14227@devserv.devel.redhat.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0601201154530.14227@devserv.devel.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1137808557.2552.1.camel@ignacio.lan>

On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 11:55 -0500, Elliot Lee wrote:
> http://www.websiteoptimization.com/speed/tweak/blink/
> 
> Very interesting article with examples of the specific factors that matter 
> when building a good-looking web site.

And of course we can't forget the quintessential WPTS...

http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/

-- 
Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams <ivazquez at ivazquez.net>
http://fedora.ivazquez.net/

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From ivazquez at ivazquez.net  Sat Jan 21 04:25:13 2006
From: ivazquez at ivazquez.net (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:25:13 -0500
Subject: Idea / Suggestion
In-Reply-To: <16de708d0601191728q47233f04ke8540dd062175fbc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <16de708d0601191634u10dabe30o1e50aefdcbdfb7ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<43D03305.6010906@redhat.com>
	<16de708d0601191711l9880bd9qef8fdd0fdc60dae2@mail.gmail.com>
	<43D03BDB.5030706@redhat.com>
	<16de708d0601191728q47233f04ke8540dd062175fbc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1137817513.5176.3.camel@ignacio.lan>

On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 19:28 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> Seems to me like an excuse to write a  script. 

Just writing some random notes here to possibly help out.

I tracked down the link-finding stuff built-in to
MoinMoin.wikiaction.do_info(). It needs a Moinmoin.request.RequestBase
object. Moinmoin.request.RequestCLI looks promising.

-- 
Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams <ivazquez at ivazquez.net>
http://fedora.ivazquez.net/

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From sundaram at redhat.com  Sat Jan 21 06:12:28 2006
From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:42:28 +0530
Subject: Idea / Suggestion
In-Reply-To: <f67c87220601200041p7832678iab239e6e471fe949@mail.gmail.com>
References: <16de708d0601191634u10dabe30o1e50aefdcbdfb7ff@mail.gmail.com>	<43D03305.6010906@redhat.com>	<16de708d0601191711l9880bd9qef8fdd0fdc60dae2@mail.gmail.com>	<43D03BDB.5030706@redhat.com>	<16de708d0601191728q47233f04ke8540dd062175fbc@mail.gmail.com>	<43D03D63.2020003@redhat.com>
	<f67c87220601200041p7832678iab239e6e471fe949@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43D1D0CC.5020108@redhat.com>

Bela Pesics wrote:

>On 1/20/06, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram at redhat.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>Hi
>>
>>    
>>
>>>    We are striving very hard to provide this. I know most of the pages by
>>>    heart and I am too close to provide a subjective view but you
>>>    could make
>>>    sure that each of the pages are reachable from the frontpage in four
>>>    clicks as a rule of thumb. If not I will consider that a bug.  If you
>>>    want to help, get to the index page and verify that each of the pages
>>>    list are easily accessible in such a manner and if not send me a
>>>    list of
>>>    pages which do not meet this criteria and I will fix the problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>Seems to me like an excuse to write a  script.
>>>      
>>>
>>Do that and be my community hero.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>For the time being, it would be extremely helpful to include
>[[TitleIndex]] (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/TitleIndex) on the front
>page.
>  
>
Not sure the title page is already that useful but I have added it to 
the header for now. See http:/fedoraproject.org/wiki

>Also consider:
> - fedora* sites under *.fedoraproject.org domain (at least as a redirect)
>  
>
Many of these redirects are already setup. If you find more that is 
required, file a enhancement request against Fedora infrastructure in 
http://bugzilla.redhat.com

> - sitemap (tree of talking assorted titles, max. 5 words comment)
>  
>
Added sitemap to header too.

-- 
Rahul 

Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 24 05:22:20 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Amanpreet Singh Alam (aalam))
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:22:20 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/stylesheet-images - New
	directory
Message-ID: <200601240522.k0O5MKAq004715@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: aalam

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/stylesheet-images
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv4706/stylesheet-images

Log Message:
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From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 24 06:29:52 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Amanpreet Singh Alam (aalam))
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:29:52 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide fedora.css, NONE,
	1.1 sn_accounts.html, NONE, 1.1 sn_translating_docs.html, NONE,
	1.1 sn_translating_software.html, NONE, 1.1
Message-ID: <200601240629.k0O6TrjO006728@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: aalam

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6713/translation-quick-start-guide

Added Files:
	fedora.css sn_accounts.html sn_translating_docs.html 
	sn_translating_software.html 
Log Message:
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Written by Tammy Fox and Garrett LeSage

Copyright 2003 Tammy Fox, Garrett LeSage, and Red Hat, Inc.
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      To participate in the Fedora Project as a translator you need an account.
      You can apply for an account at <a href="http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/" target="_top">http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/</a>. You need to
      provide a user name (login), an email address, a target language
      &#8212; most likely your native language &#8212; and the public
      part of your SSH key.
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<tt class="command">ssh-keygen -t dsa</tt>
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	    Do not forget this passphrase as you will need it to access
	    to the CVS repository.
	  </p></td></tr></table></div></li><li><p>
	  Change permissions to your key and <tt class="filename">.ssh</tt>
	  directory:
	</p><pre class="screen">
<tt class="command">chmod 755 ~/.ssh</tt>

</pre></li><li><p>
	  Copy and paste the ssh key in the space provided in order to
	  complete the account application.
	</p></li></ol></div><p>
      There are also two lists where you can discuss translation issues.
      The first is <i class="firstterm">fedora-trans-list</i>, a general
      list to discuss problems that affect all languages. Refer to
      <a href="http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list" target="_top">http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list</a>
      for more information.  The second is the language-specific list,
      such as <i class="firstterm">fedora-trans-es</i> for Spanish
      translators, to discuss issues that affect only the individual
      community of translators.
    </p><p>
      You may also find it useful to subscribe to
      <i class="firstterm">fedora-docs-list</i> to stay informed about
      general documentation issues.
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      The Fedora documentation is also stored in a CVS repository under
      the directory <tt class="filename">docs/</tt>. The process to download
      the documentation is similar to the one used to download
      <tt class="filename">.po</tt> files:
    </p><pre class="screen">
<tt class="command">export	CVSROOT=:ext:<i class="replaceable"><tt>username</tt></i>@cvs.fedora.redhat.com:/cvs/docs</tt>
<tt class="command">cvs co docs</tt>
</pre><p>
      This step downloads all the current documents in the directory. To
      download only a single document to translate, list the current
      modules in the repository and then check out that module.  You
      must also check out the <tt class="filename">docs-common</tt> module to
      check document validity for building.
    </p><pre class="screen">
<tt class="command">cvs co -c</tt>
<tt class="command">cvs co example-tutorial docs-common</tt>
</pre><p>
      The documents are written in DocBook XML format and named using
      the specific-language locale, such as
      <tt class="filename">example-tutorial-en.xml</tt>. If you plan to
      translate directly from the original XML file, you should create
      the document for your language:
    </p><pre class="screen">
<tt class="command">cp example-tutorial-en.xml example-tutorial-<i class="replaceable"><tt>es</tt></i>.xml</tt>
</pre><p>
      Afterwards you can work on the new copy.
    </p><p>
      You can also convert the XML files into <tt class="filename">.po</tt>
      files and work with a <i class="replaceable"><tt>.po</tt></i> editor like
      <span><b class="application">KBabel</b></span> or
      <span><b class="application">gtranslator</b></span>. To do so, follow these
      steps:
    </p><div class="procedure"><ol type="1"><li><p>
	  In a terminal, go to the directory of the document you want to
	  translate:
	</p><pre class="screen">
<tt class="command">cd ~/docs/example-tutorial</tt>
</pre></li><li><p>
	  Extract the translatable strings with xml2pot:
	</p><pre class="screen">
<tt class="command">xml2pot example-tutorial-en.xml &gt; <i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i>.po</tt>
</pre></li><li><p>
	  Now you can translate the file using the same application used
	  to translate software:
	</p><pre class="screen">
<tt class="command">kbabel <i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i>.po</tt>
</pre></li><li><p>
	  Once you finish, it is necessary to convert the translated
	  <tt class="filename">.po</tt> file to <tt class="filename">.xml</tt>
	  file in the target language with <tt class="command">po2xml</tt>:
	</p><pre class="screen">
<tt class="command">po2xml example-tutorial-en.xml <i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i>.po &gt; example-tutorial-<i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i>.xml</tt>
</pre></li></ol></div><p>
      The <tt class="command">xml2po</tt> filter does not include entities
      in the <tt class="filename">.po</tt> file.  You must change the
      language of the document.  Locate a line like the following near
      the top of the document:
    </p><pre class="screen">
<tt class="computeroutput">&lt;article id="example-tutorial" lang="en"&gt;</tt>
</pre><p>Change the attribute to your language:</p><pre class="screen">
<b class="userinput"><tt>&lt;article id="example-tutorial" lang="<i class="replaceable"><tt>es</tt></i>"&gt;</tt></b>
</pre><p>
      When the translated file is ready, add it to the repository:
    </p><pre class="screen">
<tt class="command">cvs add example-tutorial-<i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i>.xml</tt>
<tt class="command">cvs commit -m '<i class="replaceable"><tt>Any comment</tt></i>' example-tutorial-<i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i>.xml</tt>
</pre><p>
      You may have to change the <tt class="filename">Makefile</tt> so the
      document can be built in HTML and PDF formats.
    </p><div class="caution" style="margin-left: 0.5in; margin-right: 0.5in;"><table border="0" summary="Caution: Note:"><tr><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="top" width="25"><img alt="[Caution]" src="./stylesheet-images/caution.png"></td><th align="left">Note:</th></tr><tr><td colspan="2" align="left" valign="top"><p>
	Please advise the community through fedora-doc-list and
	fedora-trans-<i class="replaceable"><tt>locale</tt></i> that you are
	modifying the <tt class="filename">Makefile</tt>.  Inform the
	community that you are working on the translation of this
	document before you begin, to avoid conflict between translators
	working on the same file.
      </p></td></tr></table></div><div class="procedure"><ol type="1"><li><p>
	  In the text editor of your preference, open the
	  <tt class="filename">Makefile</tt>.
	</p><pre class="screen">
<tt class="command">vi Makefile</tt>
</pre></li><li><p>
	  Add the locale of the new translation after the other
	  languages as in the following example:
	</p><pre class="screen">
<b class="userinput"><tt>LANGUAGES = en de <i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i></tt></b>
</pre></li><li><p>
	  Commit the <tt class="filename">Makefile</tt>.
	</p><pre class="screen">
<tt class="command">cvs commit -m '<i class="replaceable"><tt>Any comment</tt></i>' Makefile</tt>
</pre></li><li><p>
	  Then, you can build the document in your langugage by typing:
	</p><pre class="screen">
<tt class="command">make html-<i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i></tt>
</pre></li></ol></div></div><div class="navfooter"><hr><table width="100%" summary="Navigation footer"><tr><td width="40%" align="left"><a accesskey="p" href="sn_translating_software.html">Prev</a>&#160;</td><td width="20%" align="center"><a accesskey="u" href="index.html">Up</a></td><td width="40%" align="right">&#160;</td></tr><tr><td width="40%" align="left" valign="top">3.&#160;Translating software&#160;</td><td width="20%" align="center"><a accesskey="h" href="index.html">Home</a></td><td width="40%" align="right" valign="top">&#160;</td></tr></table></div></body></html>


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      The translatable part of a software package is available in one or
      more <tt class="filename">po</tt> files. The Fedora Project stores these files in
      a CVS repository under the directory
      <tt class="filename">translate/</tt>. Once your account has been
      approved, download this directory typing the following
      instructions in a command line:
    </p><pre class="screen">
<tt class="command">export CVS_RSH=ssh</tt>
<tt class="command">export	CVSROOT=:ext:<i class="replaceable"><tt>username</tt></i>@i18.redhat.com:/usr/local/CVS</tt> 
<tt class="command">cvs -z9 co translate/</tt>
</pre><p>
      These commands download all the modules and
      <tt class="filename">.po</tt> files to your machine following the same
      hierarchy of the repository. Each directory contains a
      <tt class="filename">.pot</tt> file, such as
      <tt class="filename">anaconda.pot</tt>, and the
      <tt class="filename">.po</tt> files for each language, such as
      <tt class="filename">zh_CN.po</tt>, <tt class="filename">de.po</tt>, and so
      forth.
    </p><p>
      You can check the status of the translations at <a href="http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status" target="_top">http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status</a>. Choose your
      language in the dropdown menu or check the overall status. Select
      a package to view the maintainer and the name of the last
      translator of this module. If you want to translate a module,
      contact your language-specific list and let your community know
      you are working on that module.  Afterwards, select
      <tt class="literal">take</tt> in the status page. The module is then
      assigned to you.  At the password prompt, enter the one you
      received via e-mail when you applied for your account.
    </p><p>
      You can now start translating.
    </p><div class="procedure"><ol type="1"><li><p>
	  Go to the directory of the package you have taken.
	</p><pre class="screen">
<tt class="command">cd ~/translate/<i class="replaceable"><tt>package_name</tt></i></tt>
</pre></li><li><p>
	  Update the files with the following command:
	</p><pre class="screen">
<tt class="command">cvs up</tt>
</pre></li><li><p>
	  Translate the po file of your language in a po editor such as
	  <span><b class="application">KBabel</b></span> or
	  <span><b class="application">gtranslator</b></span>. For example, to open
	  the <tt class="filename">.po</tt> file for Spanish in
	  <span><b class="application">KBabel</b></span>, type:
	</p><pre class="screen">
<tt class="command">kbabel es.po</tt>
</pre></li><li><p>
	  When you finish your work, commit your changes back to the
	  repository:
	</p><pre class="screen">
<tt class="command">cvs commit -m 'comments' <i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i>.po</tt>
</pre></li><li><p>
	  As a last step, click the <tt class="literal">release</tt> link on
	  the status page to release the module so other people can work
	  on it.
	</p></li></ol></div><p>
      If you want to proofread your translation as part of the software,
      follow these steps:
    </p><div class="procedure"><ol type="1"><li><p>
	  Go to the directory of the package you want to proofread:
	</p><pre class="screen">
<tt class="command">cd ~/translate/<i class="replaceable"><tt>package_name</tt></i></tt>
</pre></li><li><p>
	  Convert the <tt class="filename">.po</tt> file in
	  <tt class="filename">.mo</tt> file with <tt class="command">msgfmt</tt>:
	</p><pre class="screen">
<tt class="command">msgfmt <i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i>.po</tt>
</pre></li><li><p>
	  Overwrite the existing <tt class="filename">.mo</tt> file in
	  <tt class="filename">/usr/share/locale/<i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i>/LC_MESSAGES/</tt>. 
	  First, back up the existing file:
	</p><pre class="screen">
<tt class="command">cp /usr/share/locale/<i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i>/LC_MESSAGES/<i class="replaceable"><tt>package_name</tt></i>.mo <i class="replaceable"><tt>package_name</tt></i>.mo-backup</tt>
<tt class="command">mv <i class="replaceable"><tt>package_name</tt></i>.mo /usr/share/locale/<i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i>/LC_MESSAGES/</tt>
</pre></li><li><p>
	  Proofread the package with the translated strings as part of
	  the application:
	</p><pre class="screen">
<tt class="command">LANG=<i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i> rpm -qi <i class="replaceable"><tt>package_name</tt></i></tt>
</pre></li></ol></div><p>
      The application related to the translated package will run with
      the translated strings.
    </p></div><div class="navfooter"><hr><table width="100%" summary="Navigation footer"><tr><td width="40%" align="left"><a accesskey="p" href="sn_accounts.html">Prev</a>&#160;</td><td width="20%" align="center"><a accesskey="u" href="index.html">Up</a></td><td width="40%" align="right">&#160;<a accesskey="n" href="sn_translating_docs.html">Next</a></td></tr><tr><td width="40%" align="left" valign="top">2.&#160;Accounts and subscriptions&#160;</td><td width="20%" align="center"><a accesskey="h" href="index.html">Home</a></td><td width="40%" align="right" valign="top">&#160;4.&#160;Translating documentation</td></tr></table></div></body></html>



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 24 06:29:58 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Amanpreet Singh Alam (aalam))
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:29:58 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/stylesheet-images 1.png,
	NONE, 1.1 10.png, NONE, 1.1 11.png, NONE, 1.1 12.png, NONE,
	1.1 13.png, NONE, 1.1 14.png, NONE, 1.1 15.png, NONE,
	1.1 2.png, NONE, 1.1 3.png, NONE, 1.1 4.png, NONE, 1.1 5.png,
	NONE, 1.1 6.png, NONE, 1.1 7.png, NONE, 1.1 8.png, NONE,
	1.1 9.png, NONE, 1.1 caution.png, NONE, 1.1 important.png,
	NONE, 1.1 note.png, NONE, 1.1 tip.png, NONE, 1.1 warning.png,
	NONE, 1.1
Message-ID: <200601240629.k0O6TwkW006764@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: aalam

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/stylesheet-images
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6713/translation-quick-start-guide/stylesheet-images

Added Files:
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	4.png 5.png 6.png 7.png 8.png 9.png caution.png important.png 
	note.png tip.png warning.png 
Log Message:
add new document guide for Translation Quick Guide



From jonathansteffan at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 06:49:28 2006
From: jonathansteffan at gmail.com (Jonathan Steffan)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:49:28 -0700
Subject: Introduction - List
Message-ID: <43D71F78.8060400@gmail.com>

List,

    Hello list. nman64, thanks for the invitation to join the list. I
have signed this message with the key I will be using for my gmail account.

Jonathan Steffan
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From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Wed Jan 25 10:48:15 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Karsten Wade (kwade))
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:48:15 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide index.php, NONE,
	1.1 ln-legalnotice.php, NONE, 1.1 rv-revhistory.php, NONE,
	1.1 sn_accounts.php, NONE, 1.1 sn_translating_docs.php, NONE,
	1.1 sn_translating_software.php, NONE, 1.1 sn_accounts.html,
	1.1, NONE sn_translating_docs.html, 1.1,
	NONE sn_translating_software.html, 1.1, NONE
Message-ID: <200601251048.k0PAmFki005969@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: kwade

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv5942

Added Files:
	index.php ln-legalnotice.php rv-revhistory.php sn_accounts.php 
	sn_translating_docs.php sn_translating_software.php 
Removed Files:
	sn_accounts.html sn_translating_docs.html 
	sn_translating_software.html 
Log Message:
To make the magic of f.r.c work, you need to convert the HTML files into PHP 
files, commit the changes, then tag the work as LIVE.

Here is what I did in building these files:

[kwade at erato translation-quick-start-guide]$ pwd
/home/kwade/path/to/cvs-docs/translation-quick-start-guide/
[kwade at erato translation-quick-start-guide]$ make html
<make output removed>
[kwade at erato translation-quick-start-guide]$ cd ../cvs-fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/
[kwade at erato translation-quick-start-guide]$ pwd
/home/kwade/path/to/cvs-fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/
[kwade at erato translation-quick-start-guide]$ cp ../../../../../cvs-docs/translation-quick-start-guide/translation-quick-start-en/*.html ./
[kwade at erato translation-quick-start-guide]$ ls
CVS         index.html           rv-revhistory.html  sn_translating_docs.html
fedora.css  ln-legalnotice.html  sn_accounts.html    sn_translating_software.html
[kwade at erato translation-quick-start-guide]$ ../../../scripts/docbookhtml2php.py *html
index.html converted to index.php
ln-legalnotice.html converted to ln-legalnotice.php
rv-revhistory.html converted to rv-revhistory.php
sn_accounts.html converted to sn_accounts.php
sn_translating_docs.html converted to sn_translating_docs.php
sn_translating_software.html converted to sn_translating_software.php
[kwade at erato translation-quick-start-guide]$ rm *html
[kwade at erato translation-quick-start-guide]$ cvs add *php
<CVS output removed>
[kwade at erato translation-quick-start-guide]$ cvs ci -m "Example log."
<CVS output removed>
[kwade at erato translation-quick-start-guide]$ cvs tag -F LIVE .
<CVS output removed>
[kwade at erato translation-quick-start-guide]$ cd -
/home/kwade/path/to/cvs-docs/translation-quick-start-guide/
[kwade at erato translation-quick-start-guide]$ cvs tag -F translation-quick-start-guide-initial-release-0.1-2006-01-20 ./ ../docs-common/




***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'index.php'

***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ln-legalnotice.php'

***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'rv-revhistory.php'

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From trevor at bouyon.dalive.com  Wed Jan 25 14:34:17 2006
From: trevor at bouyon.dalive.com (Trevor "TeC" Christian)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:34:17 -0400
Subject: Introduction
Message-ID: <43D78C69.3020800@bouyon.dalive.com>

Good day:

I'm just completing the procedure/protocol for joining up as indicated 
on the site.

I'm TeC, DoubleOTeC in IRC.  Been a redhat/fedora user for  a few years 
now and will be helping pembo13 with the art gallery project.

hmmmm... did i miss anything? hope i did this right... lol

Regards ,
-- 
*Trevor "TeC" Christian*
/TeC Productions Studios/
Cell #: (767) 225 4472
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   YM : trevorc01 at yahoo.com
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From sopwith at redhat.com  Wed Jan 25 15:33:07 2006
From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:33:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Slashdot story
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0601251032410.2838@devserv.devel.redhat.com>

http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/06/01/25/067256.shtml

Yay :)
-- Elliot



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Thu Jan 26 06:30:43 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 01:30:43 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs index.php,1.7,1.8
Message-ID: <200601260631.k0Q6VD7O014503@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv14485

Modified Files:
	index.php 
Log Message:
Add Translation Quick Start Guide to list of participation guides


Index: index.php
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/index.php,v
retrieving revision 1.7
retrieving revision 1.8
diff -u -r1.7 -r1.8
--- index.php	6 Dec 2005 06:53:46 -0000	1.7
+++ index.php	26 Jan 2006 06:30:41 -0000	1.8
@@ -38,6 +38,7 @@
                                 <ul>
                                 <li><a href="/docs/developers-guide/">Developer's Guide</a></li>
                                 <li><a href="/docs/documentation-guide/">Documentation Guide</a></li>
+				<li><a href="/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/">Translation Quick Start Guide</a></li>
 </ul>
 
 



From nman64 at n-man.com  Thu Jan 26 06:37:42 2006
From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:37:42 -0600
Subject: Meetings
Message-ID: <43D86E36.7020808@n-man.com>

As some of you may have noticed, there was no meeting on Tuesday.  As
such, the next meeting will be on 2006-01-31 at 19:00 UTC.

I don't know if there was much news worth covering this week, but if any
of you have updates, feel free to bring them to the list.  As far as the
CMS, the next Fedora Infrastructure meeting is coming up, and this will
probably be brought up there to see if we can't get some staging efforts
started.

We also need to discuss the meeting time.  I am getting the impression
that the current time is no good for many people.  I know that one time
will not fit everyone, so I'd like to try a rotation between two times. 
In talking to Clair Shaw on IRC, the idea came up of 1000 UTC on
Wednesdays.  This is dramatically offset from the current time, and the
two times should provide thorough coverage of the entire globe.  I
realize that this time is in the middle of the night in the United
States, so I'd be surprised to see many Americans make that time.  I
really don't expect each person only making one of the meeting times to
be a real problem.  I'd love to hear any other opinions or suggestions,
and I don't have any problems with maybe picking another day or time for
either meeting, but I'd like everyone to be able to show up to at least
one of the meeting times.

-- 
Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes
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Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 01:28:18 -0500
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 ?>
 
-<div class="navheader"><table width="100%" summary="Navigation header"><tr><th colspan="3" align="center">Translation Quick Start Guide</th></tr><tr><td width="20%" align="left">&#160;</td><th width="60%" align="center">&#160;</th><td width="20%" align="right">&#160;<a accesskey="n" href="sn_accounts.php">Next</a></td></tr></table><hr></div><div class="article" lang="en"><div class="titlepage"><div><div><h1 class="title"><a name="translation-quickstart-guide"></a>Translation Quick Start Guide</h1></div><div><div class="authorgroup"><div class="author"><h3 class="author"><span class="firstname">Manuel</span> <span class="surname">Ospina</span></h3></div><h4 class="editedby">Edited by</h4><h3 class="editor"><span class="firstname">Paul</span> <span class="othername">W.</span> <span class="surname">Frields</span></h3></div></div><div><p class="copyright">Copyright &#169; 2005, 2006 Red Hat, Inc., Manuel Ospina</p></div><div><p class="copyright">Copyright &#169; 2006 Paul W. Fr!
 ields</p></div><div><a href="ln-legalnotice.php">Legal Notice</a></div><div><a href="rv-revhistory.php">Revision History</a></div></div><div></div><hr></div><div class="toc"><dl><dt><span class="section"><a href="index.php#sn_intro">1. Introduction</a></span></dt><dt><span class="section"><a href="sn_accounts.php">2. Accounts and subscriptions</a></span></dt><dt><span class="section"><a href="sn_translating_software.php">3. Translating software</a></span></dt><dt><span class="section"><a href="sn_translating_docs.php">4. Translating documentation</a></span></dt></dl></div><div class="section" lang="en"><div class="titlepage"><div><div><h2 class="title" style="clear: both"><a name="sn_intro"></a>1.&#160;Introduction</h2></div></div><div></div></div><p>
+<div class="navheader"><table width="100%" summary="Navigation header"><tr><th colspan="3" align="center">Translation Quick Start Guide</th></tr><tr><td width="20%" align="left">&#160;</td><th width="60%" align="center">&#160;</th><td width="20%" align="right">&#160;<a accesskey="n" href="sn_accounts.php">Next</a></td></tr></table><hr></div><div class="article" lang="en"><div class="titlepage"><div><div><h1 class="title"><a name="translation-quickstart-guide"></a>Translation Quick Start Guide</h1></div><div><div class="authorgroup"><div class="author"><h3 class="author"><span class="firstname">Manuel</span> <span class="surname">Ospina</span></h3></div><h4 class="editedby">Edited by</h4><h3 class="editor"><span class="firstname">Paul</span> <span class="othername">W.</span> <span class="surname">Frields</span></h3></div></div><div><p class="copyright">Copyright &#169; 2005, 2006 Red Hat, Inc., Manuel Ospina</p></div><div><p class="copyright">Copyright &#169; 2006 Paul W. Fr!
 ields</p></div><div><a href="ln-legalnotice.php">Legal Notice</a></div><div><a href="rv-revhistory.php">Revision History</a></div></div><hr></div><div class="toc"><dl><dt><span class="section"><a href="index.php#sn-intro">1. Introduction</a></span></dt><dt><span class="section"><a href="sn_accounts.php">2. Accounts and Subscriptions</a></span></dt><dt><span class="section"><a href="sn_translating_software.php">3. Translating Software</a></span></dt><dd><dl><dt><span class="section"><a href="sn_translating_software.php#sn-translating-strings">3.1. Translating Strings</a></span></dt><dt><span class="section"><a href="sn_translating_software.php#sn-proofreading">3.2. Proofreading</a></span></dt></dl></dd><dt><span class="section"><a href="sn_translating_docs.php">4. Translating Documentation</a></span></dt><dd><dl><dt><span class="section"><a href="sn_translating_docs.php#sn-downloading-docs">4.1. Downloading Documentation</a></span></dt><dt><span class="section"><a href="sn_t!
 ranslating_docs.php#sn-translating-with-apps">4.2. Using Trans!
 lation
plications</a></span></dt><dt><span class="section"><a href="sn_translating_docs.php#sn-changing-makefile">4.3. Changing the <code class="filename">Makefile</code></a></span></dt></dl></dd></dl></div><div class="section" lang="en"><div class="titlepage"><div><div><h2 class="title" style="clear: both"><a name="sn-intro"></a>1.&#160;Introduction</h2></div></div></div><p>
       This guide is a fast, simple, step-by-step set of instructions for
       translating Fedora Project software and documents.  If you are interested in
       better understanding the translation process involved, refer to
       the Translation guide or the manual of the specific translation
       tool.
-    </p></div></div><div class="navfooter"><hr><table width="100%" summary="Navigation footer"><tr><td width="40%" align="left">&#160;</td><td width="20%" align="center">&#160;</td><td width="40%" align="right">&#160;<a accesskey="n" href="sn_accounts.php">Next</a></td></tr><tr><td width="40%" align="left" valign="top">&#160;</td><td width="20%" align="center">&#160;</td><td width="40%" align="right" valign="top">&#160;2.&#160;Accounts and subscriptions</td></tr></table></div>
+    </p></div></div><div class="navfooter"><hr><table width="100%" summary="Navigation footer"><tr><td width="40%" align="left">&#160;</td><td width="20%" align="center">&#160;</td><td width="40%" align="right">&#160;<a accesskey="n" href="sn_accounts.php">Next</a></td></tr><tr><td width="40%" align="left" valign="top">&#160;</td><td width="20%" align="center">&#160;</td><td width="40%" align="right" valign="top">&#160;2.&#160;Accounts and Subscriptions</td></tr></table></div>
 
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   </p><p>
     Garrett LeSage created the admonition graphics (note, tip, important,
     caution, and warning).
-    Tommy Reynolds <tt class="email">&lt;<a href="mailto:Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com">Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com</a>&gt;</tt> created the callout graphics.
+    Tommy Reynolds <code class="email">&lt;<a href="mailto:Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com">Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com</a>&gt;</code> created the callout graphics.
     They all may be freely redistributed with documentation
     produced for the Fedora Project.
     </p><p>
-    translation-quick-start-guide-0.1 (2006-01-20)
+    translation-quick-start-guide-0.2 (2006-01-26)
   </p><p>
     Red Hat and the Red Hat "Shadow Man" logo are registered trademarks of
     Red Hat, Inc. in the United States and other countries.


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-<div class="revhistory"><div class="revhistory"><table border="1" width="100%" summary="Revision history - Translation Quick Start Guide"><tr><th align="left" valign="top" colspan="3"><b>Revision History</b></th></tr><tr><td align="left">Revision 0.1</td><td align="left">2006-01-20</td><td align="left"></td></tr><tr><td align="left" colspan="3">
+<div class="revhistory"><div class="revhistory"><table border="1" width="100%" summary="Revision history - Translation Quick Start Guide"><tr><th align="left" valign="top" colspan="3"><b>Revision History</b></th></tr><tr><td align="left">Revision 0.2</td><td align="left">2006-01-25</td><td align="left"></td></tr><tr><td align="left" colspan="3">
+        <p>
+          Additional style editing, division of procedures into more
+          readable sections
+        </p>
+      </td></tr><tr><td align="left">Revision 0.1</td><td align="left">Fri Jan 20 2006</td><td align="left"></td></tr><tr><td align="left" colspan="3">
         <p>
           First round of editing.
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@@ -7,48 +7,47 @@
 
 ?>
 
-<div class="navheader"><table width="100%" summary="Navigation header"><tr><th colspan="3" align="center">2.&#160;Accounts and subscriptions</th></tr><tr><td width="20%" align="left"><a accesskey="p" href="index.php">Prev</a>&#160;</td><th width="60%" align="center">&#160;</th><td width="20%" align="right">&#160;<a accesskey="n" href="sn_translating_software.php">Next</a></td></tr></table><hr></div><div class="section" lang="en"><div class="titlepage"><div><div><h2 class="title" style="clear: both"><a name="sn_accounts"></a>2.&#160;Accounts and subscriptions</h2></div></div><div></div></div><p>
+<div class="navheader"><table width="100%" summary="Navigation header"><tr><th colspan="3" align="center">2.&#160;Accounts and Subscriptions</th></tr><tr><td width="20%" align="left"><a accesskey="p" href="index.php">Prev</a>&#160;</td><th width="60%" align="center">&#160;</th><td width="20%" align="right">&#160;<a accesskey="n" href="sn_translating_software.php">Next</a></td></tr></table><hr></div><div class="section" lang="en"><div class="titlepage"><div><div><h2 class="title" style="clear: both"><a name="sn_accounts"></a>2.&#160;Accounts and Subscriptions</h2></div></div></div><p>
       To participate in the Fedora Project as a translator you need an account.
       You can apply for an account at <a href="http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/" target="_top">http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/</a>. You need to
-      provide a user name (login), an email address, a target language
-      &#8212; most likely your native language &#8212; and the public
-      part of your SSH key.
+      provide a user name, an email address, a target language &#8212;
+      most likely your native language &#8212; and the public part of
+      your SSH key.
     </p><p>
       If you do not have a SSH key yet, you can generate one using the
       following steps:
     </p><div class="procedure"><ol type="1"><li><p>
 	  Type in a comand line:
 	</p><pre class="screen">
-<tt class="command">ssh-keygen -t dsa</tt>
+<code class="command">ssh-keygen -t dsa</code>
 </pre><p>
 	  Accept the default location
-	  (<tt class="filename">~/.ssh/id_dsa</tt>) and enter a passphrase.
-	</p><div class="caution" style="margin-left: 0.5in; margin-right: 0.5in;"><table border="0" summary="Caution: Note"><tr><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="top" width="25"><img alt="[Caution]" src="./stylesheet-images/caution.png"></td><th align="left">Note</th></tr><tr><td colspan="2" align="left" valign="top"><p>
-	    Do not forget this passphrase as you will need it to access
-	    to the CVS repository.
+	  (<code class="filename">~/.ssh/id_dsa</code>) and enter a passphrase.
+	</p><div class="caution" style="margin-left: 0.5in; margin-right: 0.5in;"><table border="0" summary="Caution: Don't Forget Your Passphrase!"><tr><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="top" width="25"><img alt="[Caution]" src="./stylesheet-images/caution.png"></td><th align="left">Don't Forget Your Passphrase!</th></tr><tr><td align="left" valign="top"><p>
+	    You will need your passphrase to access to the CVS
+	    repository.  It cannot be recovered if you forget it.
 	  </p></td></tr></table></div></li><li><p>
-	  Change permissions to your key and <tt class="filename">.ssh</tt>
+	  Change permissions to your key and <code class="filename">.ssh</code>
 	  directory:
 	</p><pre class="screen">
-<tt class="command">chmod 755 ~/.ssh</tt>
-
+<code class="command">chmod 700 ~/.ssh</code>
 </pre></li><li><p>
-	  Copy and paste the ssh key in the space provided in order to
+	  Copy and paste the SSH key in the space provided in order to
 	  complete the account application.
 	</p></li></ol></div><p>
       There are also two lists where you can discuss translation issues.
-      The first is <i class="firstterm">fedora-trans-list</i>, a general
+      The first is <em class="firstterm">fedora-trans-list</em>, a general
       list to discuss problems that affect all languages. Refer to
       <a href="http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list" target="_top">http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list</a>
       for more information.  The second is the language-specific list,
-      such as <i class="firstterm">fedora-trans-es</i> for Spanish
+      such as <em class="firstterm">fedora-trans-es</em> for Spanish
       translators, to discuss issues that affect only the individual
       community of translators.
-    </p><p>
-      You may also find it useful to subscribe to
-      <i class="firstterm">fedora-docs-list</i> to stay informed about
-      general documentation issues.
-    </p></div><div class="navfooter"><hr><table width="100%" summary="Navigation footer"><tr><td width="40%" align="left"><a accesskey="p" href="index.php">Prev</a>&#160;</td><td width="20%" align="center"><a accesskey="u" href="index.php">Up</a></td><td width="40%" align="right">&#160;<a accesskey="n" href="sn_translating_software.php">Next</a></td></tr><tr><td width="40%" align="left" valign="top">Translation Quick Start Guide&#160;</td><td width="20%" align="center"><a accesskey="h" href="index.php">Home</a></td><td width="40%" align="right" valign="top">&#160;3.&#160;Translating software</td></tr></table></div>
+    </p><div class="tip" style="margin-left: 0.5in; margin-right: 0.5in;"><table border="0" summary="Tip: General Documentation Issues"><tr><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="top" width="25"><img alt="[Tip]" src="./stylesheet-images/tip.png"></td><th align="left">General Documentation Issues</th></tr><tr><td align="left" valign="top"><p>
+	You may also find it useful to subscribe to
+	<em class="firstterm">fedora-docs-list</em> to stay informed about
+	general documentation issues.
+      </p></td></tr></table></div></div><div class="navfooter"><hr><table width="100%" summary="Navigation footer"><tr><td width="40%" align="left"><a accesskey="p" href="index.php">Prev</a>&#160;</td><td width="20%" align="center">&#160;</td><td width="40%" align="right">&#160;<a accesskey="n" href="sn_translating_software.php">Next</a></td></tr><tr><td width="40%" align="left" valign="top">Translation Quick Start Guide&#160;</td><td width="20%" align="center"><a accesskey="h" href="index.php">Home</a></td><td width="40%" align="right" valign="top">&#160;3.&#160;Translating Software</td></tr></table></div>
 
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@@ -7,102 +7,106 @@
 
 ?>
 
-<div class="navheader"><table width="100%" summary="Navigation header"><tr><th colspan="3" align="center">4.&#160;Translating documentation</th></tr><tr><td width="20%" align="left"><a accesskey="p" href="sn_translating_software.php">Prev</a>&#160;</td><th width="60%" align="center">&#160;</th><td width="20%" align="right">&#160;</td></tr></table><hr></div><div class="section" lang="en"><div class="titlepage"><div><div><h2 class="title" style="clear: both"><a name="sn_translating_docs"></a>4.&#160;Translating documentation</h2></div></div><div></div></div><p>
+<div class="navheader"><table width="100%" summary="Navigation header"><tr><th colspan="3" align="center">4.&#160;Translating Documentation</th></tr><tr><td width="20%" align="left"><a accesskey="p" href="sn_translating_software.php">Prev</a>&#160;</td><th width="60%" align="center">&#160;</th><td width="20%" align="right">&#160;</td></tr></table><hr></div><div class="section" lang="en"><div class="titlepage"><div><div><h2 class="title" style="clear: both"><a name="sn_translating_docs"></a>4.&#160;Translating Documentation</h2></div></div></div><p>
       The Fedora documentation is also stored in a CVS repository under
-      the directory <tt class="filename">docs/</tt>. The process to download
-      the documentation is similar to the one used to download
-      <tt class="filename">.po</tt> files:
-    </p><pre class="screen">
-<tt class="command">export	CVSROOT=:ext:<i class="replaceable"><tt>username</tt></i>@cvs.fedora.redhat.com:/cvs/docs</tt>
-<tt class="command">cvs co docs</tt>
+      the directory <code class="filename">docs/</code>.
+    </p><div class="section" lang="en"><div class="titlepage"><div><div><h3 class="title"><a name="sn-downloading-docs"></a>4.1.&#160;Downloading Documentation</h3></div></div></div><p>
+	The process to download the documentation is similar to the one
+	used to download <code class="filename">.po</code> files:
+      </p><pre class="screen">
+<code class="command">export	CVSROOT=:ext:<em class="replaceable"><code>username</code></em>@cvs.fedora.redhat.com:/cvs/docs</code>
+<code class="command">cvs co docs</code>
 </pre><p>
-      This step downloads all the current documents in the directory. To
-      download only a single document to translate, list the current
-      modules in the repository and then check out that module.  You
-      must also check out the <tt class="filename">docs-common</tt> module to
-      check document validity for building.
-    </p><pre class="screen">
-<tt class="command">cvs co -c</tt>
-<tt class="command">cvs co example-tutorial docs-common</tt>
+	This step downloads all the current documents in the directory.
+	To download only a single document to translate, list the
+	current modules in the repository and then check out that
+	module.  You must also check out the
+	<code class="filename">docs-common</code> module to check document
+	validity for building.
+      </p><pre class="screen">
+<code class="command">cvs co -c</code>
+<code class="command">cvs co example-tutorial docs-common</code>
 </pre><p>
-      The documents are written in DocBook XML format and named using
-      the specific-language locale, such as
-      <tt class="filename">example-tutorial-en.xml</tt>. If you plan to
-      translate directly from the original XML file, you should create
-      the document for your language:
-    </p><pre class="screen">
-<tt class="command">cp example-tutorial-en.xml example-tutorial-<i class="replaceable"><tt>es</tt></i>.xml</tt>
+	The documents are written in DocBook XML format and named using
+	the specific-language locale, such as
+	<code class="filename">example-tutorial-en.xml</code>. If you plan to
+	translate directly from the original XML file, you should create
+	the document for your language:
+      </p><pre class="screen">
+<code class="command">cp example-tutorial-en.xml example-tutorial-<em class="replaceable"><code>es</code></em>.xml</code>
 </pre><p>
-      Afterwards you can work on the new copy.
-    </p><p>
-      You can also convert the XML files into <tt class="filename">.po</tt>
-      files and work with a <i class="replaceable"><tt>.po</tt></i> editor like
-      <span><b class="application">KBabel</b></span> or
-      <span><b class="application">gtranslator</b></span>. To do so, follow these
-      steps:
-    </p><div class="procedure"><ol type="1"><li><p>
-	  In a terminal, go to the directory of the document you want to
-	  translate:
-	</p><pre class="screen">
-<tt class="command">cd ~/docs/example-tutorial</tt>
-</pre></li><li><p>
-	  Extract the translatable strings with xml2pot:
-	</p><pre class="screen">
-<tt class="command">xml2pot example-tutorial-en.xml &gt; <i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i>.po</tt>
-</pre></li><li><p>
-	  Now you can translate the file using the same application used
-	  to translate software:
-	</p><pre class="screen">
-<tt class="command">kbabel <i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i>.po</tt>
-</pre></li><li><p>
-	  Once you finish, it is necessary to convert the translated
-	  <tt class="filename">.po</tt> file to <tt class="filename">.xml</tt>
-	  file in the target language with <tt class="command">po2xml</tt>:
-	</p><pre class="screen">
-<tt class="command">po2xml example-tutorial-en.xml <i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i>.po &gt; example-tutorial-<i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i>.xml</tt>
-</pre></li></ol></div><p>
-      The <tt class="command">xml2po</tt> filter does not include entities
-      in the <tt class="filename">.po</tt> file.  You must change the
-      language of the document.  Locate a line like the following near
-      the top of the document:
-    </p><pre class="screen">
-<tt class="computeroutput">&lt;article id="example-tutorial" lang="en"&gt;</tt>
-</pre><p>Change the attribute to your language:</p><pre class="screen">
-<b class="userinput"><tt>&lt;article id="example-tutorial" lang="<i class="replaceable"><tt>es</tt></i>"&gt;</tt></b>
-</pre><p>
-      When the translated file is ready, add it to the repository:
-    </p><pre class="screen">
-<tt class="command">cvs add example-tutorial-<i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i>.xml</tt>
-<tt class="command">cvs commit -m '<i class="replaceable"><tt>Any comment</tt></i>' example-tutorial-<i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i>.xml</tt>
-</pre><p>
-      You may have to change the <tt class="filename">Makefile</tt> so the
-      document can be built in HTML and PDF formats.
-    </p><div class="caution" style="margin-left: 0.5in; margin-right: 0.5in;"><table border="0" summary="Caution: Note:"><tr><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="top" width="25"><img alt="[Caution]" src="./stylesheet-images/caution.png"></td><th align="left">Note:</th></tr><tr><td colspan="2" align="left" valign="top"><p>
-	Please advise the community through fedora-doc-list and
-	fedora-trans-<i class="replaceable"><tt>locale</tt></i> that you are
-	modifying the <tt class="filename">Makefile</tt>.  Inform the
-	community that you are working on the translation of this
-	document before you begin, to avoid conflict between translators
-	working on the same file.
-      </p></td></tr></table></div><div class="procedure"><ol type="1"><li><p>
-	  In the text editor of your preference, open the
-	  <tt class="filename">Makefile</tt>.
-	</p><pre class="screen">
-<tt class="command">vi Makefile</tt>
-</pre></li><li><p>
-	  Add the locale of the new translation after the other
-	  languages as in the following example:
-	</p><pre class="screen">
-<b class="userinput"><tt>LANGUAGES = en de <i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i></tt></b>
-</pre></li><li><p>
-	  Commit the <tt class="filename">Makefile</tt>.
-	</p><pre class="screen">
-<tt class="command">cvs commit -m '<i class="replaceable"><tt>Any comment</tt></i>' Makefile</tt>
-</pre></li><li><p>
-	  Then, you can build the document in your langugage by typing:
-	</p><pre class="screen">
-<tt class="command">make html-<i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i></tt>
-</pre></li></ol></div></div><div class="navfooter"><hr><table width="100%" summary="Navigation footer"><tr><td width="40%" align="left"><a accesskey="p" href="sn_translating_software.php">Prev</a>&#160;</td><td width="20%" align="center"><a accesskey="u" href="index.php">Up</a></td><td width="40%" align="right">&#160;</td></tr><tr><td width="40%" align="left" valign="top">3.&#160;Translating software&#160;</td><td width="20%" align="center"><a accesskey="h" href="index.php">Home</a></td><td width="40%" align="right" valign="top">&#160;</td></tr></table></div>
+	Afterwards you can work on the new copy.
+      </p></div><div class="section" lang="en"><div class="titlepage"><div><div><h3 class="title"><a name="sn-translating-with-apps"></a>4.2.&#160;Using Translation Applications</h3></div></div></div><p>
+	You can also convert the XML files into <code class="filename">.po</code>
+	files and work with a <code class="filename">.po</code> editor like
+	<span><strong class="application">KBabel</strong></span> or
+	<span><strong class="application">gtranslator</strong></span>. To do so, follow these
+	steps:
+      </p><div class="procedure"><ol type="1"><li><p>
+	    In a terminal, go to the directory of the document you want
+	    to translate:
+	  </p><pre class="screen">
+<code class="command">cd ~/docs/example-tutorial</code>
+</pre></li><li><p>
+	    Extract the translatable strings with
+	    <code class="command">xml2pot</code>:
+	  </p><pre class="screen">
+<code class="command">xml2pot example-tutorial-en.xml &gt; <em class="replaceable"><code>lang</code></em>.po</code>
+</pre></li><li><p>
+	    Now you can translate the file using the same application
+	    used to translate software:
+	  </p><pre class="screen">
+<code class="command">kbabel <em class="replaceable"><code>lang</code></em>.po</code>
+</pre></li><li><p>
+	    Once you finish, you must convert the translated
+	    <code class="filename">.po</code> file to <code class="filename">.xml</code>
+	    file in the target language with <code class="command">po2xml</code>:
+	  </p><pre class="screen">
+<code class="command">po2xml example-tutorial-en.xml <em class="replaceable"><code>lang</code></em>.po &gt; example-tutorial-<em class="replaceable"><code>lang</code></em>.xml</code>
+</pre></li><li><p>
+	    The <code class="command">xml2pot</code> filter does not include
+	    entities in the <code class="filename">.po</code> file.  You must
+	    change the language of the document.  Locate a line like the
+	    following near the top of the document:
+	  </p><pre class="screen">
+<code class="computeroutput">&lt;article id="example-tutorial" lang="en"&gt;</code>
+</pre></li><li><p>Change the attribute to your language:</p><pre class="screen">
+<code class="computeroutput">&lt;article id="example-tutorial" lang="<strong class="userinput"><code><em class="replaceable"><code>es</code></em></code></strong>"&gt;</code>
+</pre></li><li><p>
+	    When the translated file is ready, add it to the repository:
+	  </p><pre class="screen">
+<code class="command">cvs add example-tutorial-<em class="replaceable"><code>lang</code></em>.xml</code>
+<code class="command">cvs commit -m '<em class="replaceable"><code>Any comment</code></em>' example-tutorial-<em class="replaceable"><code>lang</code></em>.xml</code>
+</pre></li></ol></div></div><div class="section" lang="en"><div class="titlepage"><div><div><h3 class="title"><a name="sn-changing-makefile"></a>4.3.&#160;Changing the <code class="filename">Makefile</code></h3></div></div></div><p>
+	You may have to change the <code class="filename">Makefile</code> so the
+	document can be built in HTML and PDF formats.
+      </p><div class="important" style="margin-left: 0.5in; margin-right: 0.5in;"><table border="0" summary="Important: Avoid Translation Conflicts"><tr><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="top" width="25"><img alt="[Important]" src="./stylesheet-images/important.png"></td><th align="left">Avoid Translation Conflicts</th></tr><tr><td align="left" valign="top"><p>
+	  Please advise the community through fedora-doc-list and
+	  fedora-trans-<em class="replaceable"><code>locale</code></em> that you are
+	  modifying the <code class="filename">Makefile</code>.  Inform the
+	  community that you are working on the translation of this
+	  document before you begin, to avoid conflict between
+	  translators working on the same file.
+	</p></td></tr></table></div><div class="procedure"><ol type="1"><li><p>
+	    In the text editor of your preference, open the
+	    <code class="filename">Makefile</code>.
+	  </p><pre class="screen">
+<code class="command">vi Makefile</code>
+</pre></li><li><p>
+	    Add the locale of the new translation after the other
+	    languages as in the following example:
+	  </p><pre class="screen">
+<code class="computeroutput">LANGUAGES = en de <strong class="userinput"><code><em class="replaceable"><code>lang</code></em></code></strong></code>
+</pre></li><li><p>
+	    Commit the <code class="filename">Makefile</code>.
+	  </p><pre class="screen">
+<code class="command">cvs commit -m '<em class="replaceable"><code>Any comment</code></em>' Makefile</code>
+</pre></li><li><p>
+	    Then, you can build the document in your langugage by
+	    typing:
+	  </p><pre class="screen">
+<code class="command">make html-<em class="replaceable"><code>lang</code></em></code>
+</pre></li></ol></div></div></div><div class="navfooter"><hr><table width="100%" summary="Navigation footer"><tr><td width="40%" align="left"><a accesskey="p" href="sn_translating_software.php">Prev</a>&#160;</td><td width="20%" align="center">&#160;</td><td width="40%" align="right">&#160;</td></tr><tr><td width="40%" align="left" valign="top">3.&#160;Translating Software&#160;</td><td width="20%" align="center"><a accesskey="h" href="index.php">Home</a></td><td width="40%" align="right" valign="top">&#160;</td></tr></table></div>
 
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--- sn_translating_software.php	25 Jan 2006 10:48:13 -0000	1.1
+++ sn_translating_software.php	26 Jan 2006 06:28:16 -0000	1.2
@@ -7,25 +7,25 @@
 
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-<div class="navheader"><table width="100%" summary="Navigation header"><tr><th colspan="3" align="center">3.&#160;Translating software</th></tr><tr><td width="20%" align="left"><a accesskey="p" href="sn_accounts.php">Prev</a>&#160;</td><th width="60%" align="center">&#160;</th><td width="20%" align="right">&#160;<a accesskey="n" href="sn_translating_docs.php">Next</a></td></tr></table><hr></div><div class="section" lang="en"><div class="titlepage"><div><div><h2 class="title" style="clear: both"><a name="sn_translating_software"></a>3.&#160;Translating software</h2></div></div><div></div></div><p>
+<div class="navheader"><table width="100%" summary="Navigation header"><tr><th colspan="3" align="center">3.&#160;Translating Software</th></tr><tr><td width="20%" align="left"><a accesskey="p" href="sn_accounts.php">Prev</a>&#160;</td><th width="60%" align="center">&#160;</th><td width="20%" align="right">&#160;<a accesskey="n" href="sn_translating_docs.php">Next</a></td></tr></table><hr></div><div class="section" lang="en"><div class="titlepage"><div><div><h2 class="title" style="clear: both"><a name="sn_translating_software"></a>3.&#160;Translating Software</h2></div></div></div><p>
       The translatable part of a software package is available in one or
-      more <tt class="filename">po</tt> files. The Fedora Project stores these files in
+      more <code class="filename">po</code> files. The Fedora Project stores these files in
       a CVS repository under the directory
-      <tt class="filename">translate/</tt>. Once your account has been
+      <code class="filename">translate/</code>. Once your account has been
       approved, download this directory typing the following
       instructions in a command line:
     </p><pre class="screen">
-<tt class="command">export CVS_RSH=ssh</tt>
-<tt class="command">export	CVSROOT=:ext:<i class="replaceable"><tt>username</tt></i>@i18.redhat.com:/usr/local/CVS</tt> 
-<tt class="command">cvs -z9 co translate/</tt>
+<code class="command">export CVS_RSH=ssh</code>
+<code class="command">export	CVSROOT=:ext:<em class="replaceable"><code>username</code></em>@i18.redhat.com:/usr/local/CVS</code> 
+<code class="command">cvs -z9 co translate/</code>
 </pre><p>
       These commands download all the modules and
-      <tt class="filename">.po</tt> files to your machine following the same
+      <code class="filename">.po</code> files to your machine following the same
       hierarchy of the repository. Each directory contains a
-      <tt class="filename">.pot</tt> file, such as
-      <tt class="filename">anaconda.pot</tt>, and the
-      <tt class="filename">.po</tt> files for each language, such as
-      <tt class="filename">zh_CN.po</tt>, <tt class="filename">de.po</tt>, and so
+      <code class="filename">.pot</code> file, such as
+      <code class="filename">anaconda.pot</code>, and the
+      <code class="filename">.po</code> files for each language, such as
+      <code class="filename">zh_CN.po</code>, <code class="filename">de.po</code>, and so
       forth.
     </p><p>
       You can check the status of the translations at <a href="http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status" target="_top">http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status</a>. Choose your
@@ -34,64 +34,65 @@
       translator of this module. If you want to translate a module,
       contact your language-specific list and let your community know
       you are working on that module.  Afterwards, select
-      <tt class="literal">take</tt> in the status page. The module is then
+      <code class="literal">take</code> in the status page. The module is then
       assigned to you.  At the password prompt, enter the one you
       received via e-mail when you applied for your account.
     </p><p>
       You can now start translating.
-    </p><div class="procedure"><ol type="1"><li><p>
-	  Go to the directory of the package you have taken.
-	</p><pre class="screen">
-<tt class="command">cd ~/translate/<i class="replaceable"><tt>package_name</tt></i></tt>
-</pre></li><li><p>
-	  Update the files with the following command:
-	</p><pre class="screen">
-<tt class="command">cvs up</tt>
-</pre></li><li><p>
-	  Translate the po file of your language in a po editor such as
-	  <span><b class="application">KBabel</b></span> or
-	  <span><b class="application">gtranslator</b></span>. For example, to open
-	  the <tt class="filename">.po</tt> file for Spanish in
-	  <span><b class="application">KBabel</b></span>, type:
-	</p><pre class="screen">
-<tt class="command">kbabel es.po</tt>
-</pre></li><li><p>
-	  When you finish your work, commit your changes back to the
-	  repository:
-	</p><pre class="screen">
-<tt class="command">cvs commit -m 'comments' <i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i>.po</tt>
-</pre></li><li><p>
-	  As a last step, click the <tt class="literal">release</tt> link on
-	  the status page to release the module so other people can work
-	  on it.
-	</p></li></ol></div><p>
-      If you want to proofread your translation as part of the software,
-      follow these steps:
-    </p><div class="procedure"><ol type="1"><li><p>
-	  Go to the directory of the package you want to proofread:
-	</p><pre class="screen">
-<tt class="command">cd ~/translate/<i class="replaceable"><tt>package_name</tt></i></tt>
-</pre></li><li><p>
-	  Convert the <tt class="filename">.po</tt> file in
-	  <tt class="filename">.mo</tt> file with <tt class="command">msgfmt</tt>:
-	</p><pre class="screen">
-<tt class="command">msgfmt <i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i>.po</tt>
-</pre></li><li><p>
-	  Overwrite the existing <tt class="filename">.mo</tt> file in
-	  <tt class="filename">/usr/share/locale/<i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i>/LC_MESSAGES/</tt>. 
-	  First, back up the existing file:
-	</p><pre class="screen">
-<tt class="command">cp /usr/share/locale/<i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i>/LC_MESSAGES/<i class="replaceable"><tt>package_name</tt></i>.mo <i class="replaceable"><tt>package_name</tt></i>.mo-backup</tt>
-<tt class="command">mv <i class="replaceable"><tt>package_name</tt></i>.mo /usr/share/locale/<i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i>/LC_MESSAGES/</tt>
-</pre></li><li><p>
-	  Proofread the package with the translated strings as part of
-	  the application:
-	</p><pre class="screen">
-<tt class="command">LANG=<i class="replaceable"><tt>lang</tt></i> rpm -qi <i class="replaceable"><tt>package_name</tt></i></tt>
+    </p><div class="section" lang="en"><div class="titlepage"><div><div><h3 class="title"><a name="sn-translating-strings"></a>3.1.&#160;Translating Strings</h3></div></div></div><div class="procedure"><ol type="1"><li><p>
+	    Change directory to the location of the package you have
+	    taken.
+	  </p><pre class="screen">
+<code class="command">cd ~/translate/<em class="replaceable"><code>package_name</code></em></code>
+</pre></li><li><p>
+	    Update the files with the following command:
+	  </p><pre class="screen">
+<code class="command">cvs up</code>
+</pre></li><li><p>
+	    Translate the <code class="filename">.po</code> file of your language
+	    in a <code class="filename">.po</code> editor such as
+	    <span><strong class="application">KBabel</strong></span> or
+	    <span><strong class="application">gtranslator</strong></span>. For example, to open
+	    the <code class="filename">.po</code> file for Spanish in
+	    <span><strong class="application">KBabel</strong></span>, type:
+	  </p><pre class="screen">
+<code class="command">kbabel es.po</code>
+</pre></li><li><p>
+	    When you finish your work, commit your changes back to the
+	    repository:
+	  </p><pre class="screen">
+<code class="command">cvs commit -m '<em class="replaceable"><code>comments</code></em>' <em class="replaceable"><code>lang</code></em>.po</code>
+</pre></li><li><p>
+	    Click the <code class="literal">release</code> link on the status page
+	    to release the module so other people can work on it.
+	  </p></li></ol></div></div><div class="section" lang="en"><div class="titlepage"><div><div><h3 class="title"><a name="sn-proofreading"></a>3.2.&#160;Proofreading</h3></div></div></div><p>
+	If you want to proofread your translation as part of the
+	software, follow these steps:
+      </p><div class="procedure"><ol type="1"><li><p>
+	    Go to the directory of the package you want to proofread:
+	  </p><pre class="screen">
+<code class="command">cd ~/translate/<em class="replaceable"><code>package_name</code></em></code>
+</pre></li><li><p>
+	    Convert the <code class="filename">.po</code> file in
+	    <code class="filename">.mo</code> file with <code class="command">msgfmt</code>:
+	  </p><pre class="screen">
+<code class="command">msgfmt <em class="replaceable"><code>lang</code></em>.po</code>
+</pre></li><li><p>
+	    Overwrite the existing <code class="filename">.mo</code> file in
+	    <code class="filename">/usr/share/locale/<em class="replaceable"><code>lang</code></em>/LC_MESSAGES/</code>. 
+	    First, back up the existing file:
+	</p><pre class="screen">
+<code class="command">cp /usr/share/locale/<em class="replaceable"><code>lang</code></em>/LC_MESSAGES/<em class="replaceable"><code>package_name</code></em>.mo <em class="replaceable"><code>package_name</code></em>.mo-backup</code>
+<code class="command">mv <em class="replaceable"><code>package_name</code></em>.mo /usr/share/locale/<em class="replaceable"><code>lang</code></em>/LC_MESSAGES/</code>
+</pre></li><li><p>
+	    Proofread the package with the translated strings as part of
+	    the application:
+	  </p><pre class="screen">
+<code class="command">LANG=<em class="replaceable"><code>lang</code></em> rpm -qi <em class="replaceable"><code>package_name</code></em></code>
 </pre></li></ol></div><p>
-      The application related to the translated package will run with
-      the translated strings.
-    </p></div><div class="navfooter"><hr><table width="100%" summary="Navigation footer"><tr><td width="40%" align="left"><a accesskey="p" href="sn_accounts.php">Prev</a>&#160;</td><td width="20%" align="center"><a accesskey="u" href="index.php">Up</a></td><td width="40%" align="right">&#160;<a accesskey="n" href="sn_translating_docs.php">Next</a></td></tr><tr><td width="40%" align="left" valign="top">2.&#160;Accounts and subscriptions&#160;</td><td width="20%" align="center"><a accesskey="h" href="index.php">Home</a></td><td width="40%" align="right" valign="top">&#160;4.&#160;Translating documentation</td></tr></table></div>
+	The application related to the translated package will run with
+	the translated strings.
+      </p></div></div><div class="navfooter"><hr><table width="100%" summary="Navigation footer"><tr><td width="40%" align="left"><a accesskey="p" href="sn_accounts.php">Prev</a>&#160;</td><td width="20%" align="center">&#160;</td><td width="40%" align="right">&#160;<a accesskey="n" href="sn_translating_docs.php">Next</a></td></tr><tr><td width="40%" align="left" valign="top">2.&#160;Accounts and Subscriptions&#160;</td><td width="20%" align="center"><a accesskey="h" href="index.php">Home</a></td><td width="40%" align="right" valign="top">&#160;4.&#160;Translating Documentation</td></tr></table></div>
 
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From tchung at fedora.redhat.com  Thu Jan 26 18:11:46 2006
From: tchung at fedora.redhat.com (Thomas Chung)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:11:46 -0800
Subject: Meetings
In-Reply-To: <43D86E36.7020808@n-man.com>
References: <43D86E36.7020808@n-man.com>
Message-ID: <20060126180830.M31697@fedoraproject.org>

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:37:42 -0600, Patrick Barnes wrote
> We also need to discuss the meeting time.  I am getting the impression
> that the current time is no good for many people.  I know that one time
> will not fit everyone, so I'd like to try a rotation between two times. 
> In talking to Clair Shaw on IRC, the idea came up of 1000 UTC on
> Wednesdays.  This is dramatically offset from the current time, and the
> two times should provide thorough coverage of the entire globe.  I
> realize that this time is in the middle of the night in the United
> States, so I'd be surprised to see many Americans make that time. 

Yup, 1000 UTC would be 2:00 AM in the morning in L.A. :(

I'll continue to attend meetings for 1900 UTC.

--
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http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung



From kwade at redhat.com  Sun Jan 29 08:58:52 2006
From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 00:58:52 -0800
Subject: Fedora System Requirements
In-Reply-To: <395ebc340601281142u4236739aj56479b5223826231@mail.gmail.com>
References: <395ebc340601281142u4236739aj56479b5223826231@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1138525132.5151.239.camel@erato.phig.org>

(Fedora Websites project list added, as the group most likely to help
solve user experience problems with Web-based content.)

On Sat, 2006-01-28 at 13:42 -0600, Gabriel Hurley wrote:
> Dear Mr. Wade
> 
> I think that the Fedora Website ought to have an easy-to-find list of
> system requirements similar to the one found on the Xandros website;
> found at
> http://www.xandros.com/products/home/desktopoc/dsk_oc_systemreq.html
> This way, people will know if they have enough space, memory, etc.
> before they go and format their computer and install an operating
> system.

Thanks for your interest.  Sorry that the information you sought was not
easy to find.  I'm curious, how did you go about finding the information
from the Xandros website?

Hardware requirements[1] are available in the release notes, which are
within the Fedora distribution itself (/usr/share/doc/fedora-release-
X/RELEASE-NOTES-*.html) and on the website:

http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/fc5/test2-latest-en/sn-arch-specific.html#sn-arch-specific-x86-hardware-reqs

Finally, we use the Wiki[2] for updating this content.

- Karsten

[1] http://www.google.com/search?q=fedora+core+hardware+requirements
[2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/ArchSpecific/x86
-- 
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From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Mon Jan 30 20:39:22 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:39:22 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/en/stylesheet-images -
	New directory
Message-ID: <200601302039.k0UKdMuN030904@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/en/stylesheet-images
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv30895/stylesheet-images

Log Message:
Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/en/stylesheet-images added to the repository




From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Mon Jan 30 20:39:56 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:39:56 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/it/stylesheet-images -
	New directory
Message-ID: <200601302039.k0UKdu9E030928@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/it/stylesheet-images
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv30919/stylesheet-images

Log Message:
Directory /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/it/stylesheet-images added to the repository




From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Mon Jan 30 20:43:16 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:43:16 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/en fedora.css, NONE,
	1.1 index.php, NONE, 1.1 ln-legalnotice.php, NONE,
	1.1 rv-revhistory.php, NONE, 1.1 sn_accounts.php, NONE,
	1.1 sn_translating_docs.php, NONE,
	1.1 sn_translating_software.php, NONE, 1.1
Message-ID: <200601302043.k0UKhGTZ031014@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/en
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv30973/en

Added Files:
	fedora.css index.php ln-legalnotice.php rv-revhistory.php 
	sn_accounts.php sn_translating_docs.php 
	sn_translating_software.php 
Log Message:
Update to 0.2.1


--- NEW FILE fedora.css ---
/*

CSS for Red Hat Linux Project docs from the Documentation Project

Written by Tammy Fox and Garrett LeSage

Copyright 2003 Tammy Fox, Garrett LeSage, and Red Hat, Inc.
Copywight 2005 Tommy Reynolds <Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com>

License: GPL

*/

body	{
	background-attachment	scroll;
	background-color:	#FEFEFF;
	background-image:	url('watermark.png');
	background-position:	top center;
	background-repeat:	repeat;
}

li p {
	display: inline;
}

div.table table {
	width: 95%;
	background-color: #DCDCDC;
	color: #000000;
	border-spacing: 0;
}

div.table table th {
	border: 1px solid #A9A9A9;
	background-color: #A9A9A9;
	color: #000000;
}

div.table table td {
	border: 1px solid #A9A9A9;
	background-color: #DCDCDC;
	color: #000000;
	padding: 0.5em;
	margin-bottom: 0.5em;
	margin-top: 2px;

}

div.note table, div.tip table, div.important table, div.caution table, div.warning table {
	width: 95%;
	border: 2px solid #D0D0B0;
	background-color: #FAF9E0;
	color: #000000;
	/* padding inside table area */
	padding: 0.5em;
	margin-bottom: 0.5em;
	margin-top: 0.5em;
}

.qandaset table {
	border-collapse: collapse;
}
.qandaset {
}
.qandaset tr.question {
}
.qandaset tr.question td {
	font-weight: bold;
	padding: 1em 1em 0;
}
.qandaset tr.answer td {
	padding: 0.25em 1em 1.5em;
}
.qandaset tr.question td, .qandaset tr.answer td {
}

hr {
	border: 0;
	border-bottom: 1px solid #ccc;
}

h1, h2, h3, h4 {
	font-family: luxi sans,sans-serif;
	color: #22437f;
	font-weight: bold;
}
h1 {
	font-size: 1.75em;
}

h2 {
	font-size: 1.25em;
}

h3 {
	font-size: 1.1em;
}

a:link {
	color: #900;
}
a:visited {
	color: #48468f;
}
a:hover {
	color: #f20;
}

code.screen, pre.screen {
	font-family: monospace;
	font-size: 1em;
	display: block;
	padding: 10px;
	border: 1px solid #bbb;
	background-color: #eee;
	color: #000;
	overflow: auto;
	border-radius: 2.5px;
	-moz-border-radius: 2.5px;
	margin: 0.5em 2em;
}

div.example {
	padding: 10px;
	border: 1px solid #bbb;
	margin: 0.5em 2em;
}

.procedure ol li {
	margin-bottom: 0.5em;
}
.procedure ol li li {
	/* prevent inheritance */
	margin-bottom: 0em;
}
.procedure ol li pre {
	margin-bottom: 1em;
}

.itemizedlist ul li {
	margin-bottom: 0.5em;
}
.itemizedlist ul li li {
	/* prevent inheritance */
	margin-bottom: 0em;
}

p.title	{
	text-align: center;
}


***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'index.php'

***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ln-legalnotice.php'

***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'rv-revhistory.php'

***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn_accounts.php'

***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn_translating_docs.php'

***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn_translating_software.php'



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Mon Jan 30 20:43:22 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:43:22 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/en/stylesheet-images
	1.png, NONE, 1.1 10.png, NONE, 1.1 11.png, NONE, 1.1 12.png,
	NONE, 1.1 13.png, NONE, 1.1 14.png, NONE, 1.1 15.png, NONE,
	1.1 2.png, NONE, 1.1 3.png, NONE, 1.1 4.png, NONE, 1.1 5.png,
	NONE, 1.1 6.png, NONE, 1.1 7.png, NONE, 1.1 8.png, NONE,
	1.1 9.png, NONE, 1.1 caution.png, NONE, 1.1 important.png,
	NONE, 1.1 note.png, NONE, 1.1 tip.png, NONE, 1.1 warning.png,
	NONE, 1.1
Message-ID: <200601302043.k0UKhMZK031050@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/en/stylesheet-images
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv30973/en/stylesheet-images

Added Files:
	1.png 10.png 11.png 12.png 13.png 14.png 15.png 2.png 3.png 
	4.png 5.png 6.png 7.png 8.png 9.png caution.png important.png 
	note.png tip.png warning.png 
Log Message:
Update to 0.2.1



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Mon Jan 30 20:43:43 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:43:43 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/it fedora.css, NONE,
	1.1 index.php, NONE, 1.1 ln-legalnotice.php, NONE,
	1.1 rv-revhistory.php, NONE, 1.1 sn_accounts.php, NONE,
	1.1 sn_translating_docs.php, NONE,
	1.1 sn_translating_software.php, NONE, 1.1
Message-ID: <200601302043.k0UKhhgP031073@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/it
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv30973/it

Added Files:
	fedora.css index.php ln-legalnotice.php rv-revhistory.php 
	sn_accounts.php sn_translating_docs.php 
	sn_translating_software.php 
Log Message:
Update to 0.2.1


--- NEW FILE fedora.css ---
/*

CSS for Red Hat Linux Project docs from the Documentation Project

Written by Tammy Fox and Garrett LeSage

Copyright 2003 Tammy Fox, Garrett LeSage, and Red Hat, Inc.
Copywight 2005 Tommy Reynolds <Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com>

License: GPL

*/

body	{
	background-attachment	scroll;
	background-color:	#FEFEFF;
	background-image:	url('watermark.png');
	background-position:	top center;
	background-repeat:	repeat;
}

li p {
	display: inline;
}

div.table table {
	width: 95%;
	background-color: #DCDCDC;
	color: #000000;
	border-spacing: 0;
}

div.table table th {
	border: 1px solid #A9A9A9;
	background-color: #A9A9A9;
	color: #000000;
}

div.table table td {
	border: 1px solid #A9A9A9;
	background-color: #DCDCDC;
	color: #000000;
	padding: 0.5em;
	margin-bottom: 0.5em;
	margin-top: 2px;

}

div.note table, div.tip table, div.important table, div.caution table, div.warning table {
	width: 95%;
	border: 2px solid #D0D0B0;
	background-color: #FAF9E0;
	color: #000000;
	/* padding inside table area */
	padding: 0.5em;
	margin-bottom: 0.5em;
	margin-top: 0.5em;
}

.qandaset table {
	border-collapse: collapse;
}
.qandaset {
}
.qandaset tr.question {
}
.qandaset tr.question td {
	font-weight: bold;
	padding: 1em 1em 0;
}
.qandaset tr.answer td {
	padding: 0.25em 1em 1.5em;
}
.qandaset tr.question td, .qandaset tr.answer td {
}

hr {
	border: 0;
	border-bottom: 1px solid #ccc;
}

h1, h2, h3, h4 {
	font-family: luxi sans,sans-serif;
	color: #22437f;
	font-weight: bold;
}
h1 {
	font-size: 1.75em;
}

h2 {
	font-size: 1.25em;
}

h3 {
	font-size: 1.1em;
}

a:link {
	color: #900;
}
a:visited {
	color: #48468f;
}
a:hover {
	color: #f20;
}

code.screen, pre.screen {
	font-family: monospace;
	font-size: 1em;
	display: block;
	padding: 10px;
	border: 1px solid #bbb;
	background-color: #eee;
	color: #000;
	overflow: auto;
	border-radius: 2.5px;
	-moz-border-radius: 2.5px;
	margin: 0.5em 2em;
}

div.example {
	padding: 10px;
	border: 1px solid #bbb;
	margin: 0.5em 2em;
}

.procedure ol li {
	margin-bottom: 0.5em;
}
.procedure ol li li {
	/* prevent inheritance */
	margin-bottom: 0em;
}
.procedure ol li pre {
	margin-bottom: 1em;
}

.itemizedlist ul li {
	margin-bottom: 0.5em;
}
.itemizedlist ul li li {
	/* prevent inheritance */
	margin-bottom: 0em;
}

p.title	{
	text-align: center;
}


***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'index.php'

***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'ln-legalnotice.php'

***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'rv-revhistory.php'

***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn_accounts.php'

***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn_translating_docs.php'

***** Error reading new file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'sn_translating_software.php'



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Mon Jan 30 20:43:49 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:43:49 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/it/stylesheet-images
	1.png, NONE, 1.1 10.png, NONE, 1.1 11.png, NONE, 1.1 12.png,
	NONE, 1.1 13.png, NONE, 1.1 14.png, NONE, 1.1 15.png, NONE,
	1.1 2.png, NONE, 1.1 3.png, NONE, 1.1 4.png, NONE, 1.1 5.png,
	NONE, 1.1 6.png, NONE, 1.1 7.png, NONE, 1.1 8.png, NONE,
	1.1 9.png, NONE, 1.1 caution.png, NONE, 1.1 important.png,
	NONE, 1.1 note.png, NONE, 1.1 tip.png, NONE, 1.1 warning.png,
	NONE, 1.1
Message-ID: <200601302043.k0UKhniG031109@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/it/stylesheet-images
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv30973/it/stylesheet-images

Added Files:
	1.png 10.png 11.png 12.png 13.png 14.png 15.png 2.png 3.png 
	4.png 5.png 6.png 7.png 8.png 9.png caution.png important.png 
	note.png tip.png warning.png 
Log Message:
Update to 0.2.1



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Mon Jan 30 20:42:54 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:42:54 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide index.php, 1.2,
	1.3 ln-legalnotice.php, 1.2, 1.3 rv-revhistory.php, 1.2,
	1.3 sn_accounts.php, 1.2, 1.3 sn_translating_docs.php, 1.2,
	1.3 sn_translating_software.php, 1.2, 1.3
Message-ID: <200601302044.k0UKiRKS031123@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv30973

Modified Files:
	index.php ln-legalnotice.php rv-revhistory.php sn_accounts.php 
	sn_translating_docs.php sn_translating_software.php 
Log Message:
Update to 0.2.1




Index: ln-legalnotice.php
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/ln-legalnotice.php,v
retrieving revision 1.2
retrieving revision 1.3
diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3
--- ln-legalnotice.php	26 Jan 2006 06:28:16 -0000	1.2
+++ ln-legalnotice.php	30 Jan 2006 20:42:52 -0000	1.3
@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
     They all may be freely redistributed with documentation
     produced for the Fedora Project.
     </p><p>
-    translation-quick-start-guide-0.2 (2006-01-26)
+    translation-quick-start-guide-0.2.1 (2006-01-30)
   </p><p>
     Red Hat and the Red Hat "Shadow Man" logo are registered trademarks of
     Red Hat, Inc. in the United States and other countries.


Index: rv-revhistory.php
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/rv-revhistory.php,v
retrieving revision 1.2
retrieving revision 1.3
diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3
--- rv-revhistory.php	26 Jan 2006 06:28:16 -0000	1.2
+++ rv-revhistory.php	30 Jan 2006 20:42:52 -0000	1.3
@@ -7,7 +7,11 @@
 
 ?>
 
-<div class="revhistory"><div class="revhistory"><table border="1" width="100%" summary="Revision history - Translation Quick Start Guide"><tr><th align="left" valign="top" colspan="3"><b>Revision History</b></th></tr><tr><td align="left">Revision 0.2</td><td align="left">2006-01-25</td><td align="left"></td></tr><tr><td align="left" colspan="3">
+<div class="revhistory"><div class="revhistory"><table border="1" width="100%" summary="Revision history - Translation Quick Start Guide"><tr><th align="left" valign="top" colspan="3"><b>Revision History</b></th></tr><tr><td align="left">Revision 0.2.1</td><td align="left">2006-01-30</td><td align="left"></td></tr><tr><td align="left" colspan="3">
+        <p>
+          Fix hostname error
+        </p>
+      </td></tr><tr><td align="left">Revision 0.2</td><td align="left">2006-01-25</td><td align="left"></td></tr><tr><td align="left" colspan="3">
         <p>
           Additional style editing, division of procedures into more
           readable sections






Index: sn_translating_software.php
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/sn_translating_software.php,v
retrieving revision 1.2
retrieving revision 1.3
diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3
--- sn_translating_software.php	26 Jan 2006 06:28:16 -0000	1.2
+++ sn_translating_software.php	30 Jan 2006 20:42:52 -0000	1.3
@@ -16,7 +16,7 @@
       instructions in a command line:
     </p><pre class="screen">
 <code class="command">export CVS_RSH=ssh</code>
-<code class="command">export	CVSROOT=:ext:<em class="replaceable"><code>username</code></em>@i18.redhat.com:/usr/local/CVS</code> 
+<code class="command">export	CVSROOT=:ext:<em class="replaceable"><code>username</code></em>@i18n.redhat.com:/usr/local/CVS</code> 
 <code class="command">cvs -z9 co translate/</code>
 </pre><p>
       These commands download all the modules and



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Mon Jan 30 20:45:47 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Paul W. Frields (pfrields))
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:45:47 -0500
Subject: web/html/docs index.php,1.8,1.9
Message-ID: <200601302046.k0UKkIJJ031154@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: pfrields

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv31136

Modified Files:
	index.php 
Log Message:
Add Italian doc for Translation Quick Start Guide


Index: index.php
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/index.php,v
retrieving revision 1.8
retrieving revision 1.9
diff -u -r1.8 -r1.9
--- index.php	26 Jan 2006 06:30:41 -0000	1.8
+++ index.php	30 Jan 2006 20:45:45 -0000	1.9
@@ -38,7 +38,7 @@
                                 <ul>
                                 <li><a href="/docs/developers-guide/">Developer's Guide</a></li>
                                 <li><a href="/docs/documentation-guide/">Documentation Guide</a></li>
-				<li><a href="/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/">Translation Quick Start Guide</a></li>
+				<li><a href="/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/en/">Translation Quick Start Guide</a> (<a href="/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/en/">en</a> | <a href="/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/it/">it</a>)</li>
 </ul>
 
 



From fedora at freehold.no-ip.info  Tue Jan 31 03:27:09 2006
From: fedora at freehold.no-ip.info (Clair Shaw)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:27:09 -0000 (GMT)
Subject: Proposed new website frontpage
Message-ID: <48783.192.168.0.2.1138678029.squirrel@192.168.0.2>

I've done a little bit of a proposed new website frontpage, which makes
the whole thing look tidier. It can be found here:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ClairShaw/ProtoTypes/FrontPage

Let me know what everyone thinks :)


Clair







From sundaram at fedoraproject.org  Tue Jan 31 13:31:02 2006
From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:01:02 +0530
Subject: Proposed new website frontpage
In-Reply-To: <48783.192.168.0.2.1138678029.squirrel@192.168.0.2>
References: <48783.192.168.0.2.1138678029.squirrel@192.168.0.2>
Message-ID: <43DF6696.7080109@fedoraproject.org>

Clair Shaw wrote:

>I've done a little bit of a proposed new website frontpage, which makes
>the whole thing look tidier. It can be found here:
>http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ClairShaw/ProtoTypes/FrontPage
>
>Let me know what everyone thinks :)
>
>  
>
This looks a better page that the current one. I am not sure whether we 
need a major revamp though. There was a lot of previous discussions on 
doing some changes such as hiding the sidebar for non logged in users 
and moving several project links to the sidebar. Anyone following up on 
those changes?


-- 
Rahul 

Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers



From pemboa at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 16:35:52 2006
From: pemboa at gmail.com (Arthur Pemberton)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:35:52 -0600
Subject: Proposed new website frontpage
In-Reply-To: <48783.192.168.0.2.1138678029.squirrel@192.168.0.2>
References: <48783.192.168.0.2.1138678029.squirrel@192.168.0.2>
Message-ID: <16de708d0601310835k6f4aefddpd0118eba4fa9f68a@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/30/06, Clair Shaw <fedora at freehold.no-ip.info> wrote:
>
> I've done a little bit of a proposed new website frontpage, which makes
> the whole thing look tidier. It can be found here:
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ClairShaw/ProtoTypes/FrontPage
>
> Let me know what everyone thinks :)
>
>
> Clair


Not much of an opinion just yet. However, the title "Welcome to the Fedora
Project" does strange things when the browser is sized a small enough that
it doesn't fit on one line (this is in Firefox at least).

--
> Fedora-websites-list mailing list
> Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
>



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From tchung at fedoraproject.org  Tue Jan 31 19:47:48 2006
From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:47:48 -0800
Subject: Proposed new website frontpage
In-Reply-To: <48783.192.168.0.2.1138678029.squirrel@192.168.0.2>
References: <48783.192.168.0.2.1138678029.squirrel@192.168.0.2>
Message-ID: <20060131194559.M86560@fedoraproject.org>

On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:27:09 -0000 (GMT), Clair Shaw wrote
> I've done a little bit of a proposed new website frontpage, which makes
> the whole thing look tidier. It can be found here:
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ClairShaw/ProtoTypes/FrontPage
> 
> Let me know what everyone thinks :)
> 
> Clair
> 
> -- 
> Fedora-websites-list mailing list
> Fedora-websites-list at redhat.com
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list

Personally, I would prefer to see left justified than right justified.

Regards,
--
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung



From fedora-websites-list at redhat.com  Tue Jan 31 20:40:19 2006
From: fedora-websites-list at redhat.com (Elliot Lee (sopwith))
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:40:19 -0500
Subject: web/html/Download vendors.list,1.6,1.7
Message-ID: <200601312040.k0VKenO3020768@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com>

Author: sopwith

Update of /cvs/fedora/web/html/Download
In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv20747

Modified Files:
	vendors.list 
Log Message:
updates


Index: vendors.list
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RCS file: /cvs/fedora/web/html/Download/vendors.list,v
retrieving revision 1.6
retrieving revision 1.7
diff -u -r1.6 -r1.7
--- vendors.list	16 Jan 2006 22:48:54 -0000	1.6
+++ vendors.list	31 Jan 2006 20:40:16 -0000	1.7
@@ -20,6 +20,8 @@
 
 <a href="http://www.customwebpages.com/">Custom Web Pages<? /* Allen D. Tate, Custom Web Pages allen at customwebpages.com */ ?></a>::<a href="http://www.customwebpages.com/linux/">3 CDs</a> or <a href="http://www.customwebpages.com/linux/">6 CDs</a>::$12 or $20
 
+<a href="http://www.damosoft.co.uk/">Damosoft<? /* Damian Parker damian at damosoft.co.uk */ ?></a>::<a href="http://www.damosoft.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_9">CDs</a>::1 GBP per CD plus 1 GBP postage
+
 <a href="http://www.delinuxspecialist.nl/">delinuxspecialist.nl<? /* Michel van Deventer onbetwist at delinuxspecialist.nl */ ?></a>::<a href="http://www.delinuxspecialist.nl/index.php?page=linuxcds&PHPSESSID=17161b79efabbe2989b361c32c8a406d">4 CDs</a> or <a href="http://www.delinuxspecialist.nl/index.php?page=linuxcds&PHPSESSID=17161b79efabbe2989b361c32c8a406d">7 CDs</a> or <a href="http://www.delinuxspecialist.nl/index.php?page=linuxcds&PHPSESSID=17161b79efabbe2989b361c32c8a406d">DVD Set</a>::8.95 euro or 11.95 euro or 14.95 euro
 
 <a href="http://www.hinner.de/linux/">Dr. Hinner EDV, Germany<? /* info at hinner.de */ ?></a>::<a href="http://www.hinner.de/linux/">3 CDs</a>::18 euro
@@ -60,6 +62,8 @@
 
 <a href="http://www.mashconsulting.com/">MASH Consulting<? /* Mike Hansen mhansen at mashconsulting.com */ ?></a>::<a href="http://www.mashconsulting.com/">3 CDs</a> or <a href="http://www.mashconsulting.com/">6 CDs</a>::$10 or $15
 
+<a href="http://blog.caraglio.info">Massimo Mellano<? /*  Massimo Mellano mellano at gmail.com */ ?></a>::<a href="http://blog.caraglio.info/2005/07/acquisto-cd-dvd-fedora.html">CDs or DVD</a>::20 Euros
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 <a href="http://mathias-kettner.de/">Mathias Kettner <? /* mk at mathias-kettner.de */ ?></a>::<a href="http://mathias-kettner.de/linux.html">3 CDs</a>::15 Euro
 
 <a href="http://www.mynasoft.com/">Mynasoft<? /* William Ku kucheech at singnet.com.sg */ ?></a>::<a href="http://www.mynasoft.com/orders.htm">3 CDs</a> or <a href="http://www.mynasoft.com/orders.htm">6 CDs</a>::$15 or $25