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Re: [K12OSN] perhaps a radical idea



At 12:25 AM 1/31/04 +0000, you wrote:
I have been using 4.0 in a production environment since the day after it
was released and have not had any problems yet.  If you are having
problems with a specific package for Fedora, then just grab a new
version of the app from rawhide and be done with it.

If you are wanting to move to a new platform, it is easy enough to do.
All you have to do is get the source from ltsp.org and compile it
yourself on anything.  If you are running gentoo, just emerge ltsp-core
and OOo and your web browser of choice.

What makes K12ltsp so popular is the prebundled apps with it.

So you have suggested debian and gentoo in your message.  Does this mean
that the developers should start making custom .debs and ebuilds for
their releases instead of rpms?
It seems like a lot of extra work on the developers part with very
little gain.

shawn

K12LTSP is an easy to install, appliance-like distro focused on one application environment, K12 schools. The arguments in favor of running K12LTSP atop Fedora are good. However the discussion is missing some relevant arguments. The key points are stated by Bruce Perens in his UserLinux whitepaper.


http://userlinux.com/white_paper.html

Packages and distros are only as good as the maintainers. Eric does an excellent job maintaining K12LTSP, and folks trust him. He is clear about not switching to another base distro. Some of the itchy ones (like me) are moving away from RH/FCx to Debian. We're trading Eric's value-add for another set of advantages. Even so I still read the K12LTSP list. And I'm keeping an eye on Perens and UserLinux. If UserLinux takes off, something like K12LTSP on Debian might happen. Perens mentions Skolelinux (Swedish: school linux) as a notable prospective UserLinux member in his whitepaper. Skolelinux is certainly aware of K12LTSP and possibly influenced by Eric's work -- Skolelinux links to K12LTSP. Its a surprisingly small world in some respects.

Tom


On Fri, 2004-01-30 at 17:04, Quentin Hartman wrote:
> Colleagues-
>       I've been tossing this idea around in my head for awhile now, and it
> seems it has become time to present it to the rest of you. With the
> demise of RHL as we know it, the complexities of relying so heavily on
> an upstream commercial distro to tightly integrate K12LTSP into has
> become apparent to many of us.
>       Rather than moving to RHEL or WBEL (which in turn relies on a
> commercial upstream distro) is it time to start exploring other distros,
> preferably a community-oriented one? Maybe Debian? I mean, we're all
> using apt-get on our boxes anyway, so this would provide a pretty
> shallow learning curve for some of the most common tasks, and many of
> the others will be fundamentally the same. I know that fedora is
> technically community driven and would seem to provide an easier
> transition path in the short term, but since it is a fledgling system,
> there have been a lot of unanswered questions about just how stable it
> is going to be, whereas Debian has proven to be a Rock, for many years.
> I've seen these questions raised here and elsewhere.
>       My personal favorite solution would be to try to divorce the K12LTSP
> system from any particular distro as much as possible by turning it into
> a set of customizable scripts that could be tweaked to take into account
> a variety of distros. I realize that this would be a pretty large
> undertaking and there are a lot of downsides to this, the most obvious
> one being the potential to fracture the little sub-community we have
> built up here, but I think that's surmountable. A look through the
> archives proves that K12LTSP is not the only thing this group is about.
>       For example, I've been playing with making a K12LTSP ebuild for my
> distro of choice, Gentoo. I haven't put a whole bunch of time into it,
> but it seems doable, so once my universe settles down a bit, I am going
> to tackle it more seriously.
>       So I guess this post boils down to three points:
>
> 1- Should other distros be considered now as a platform for K12LTSP?
> 2- Should K12LTSP keep going as a "distro" like it is now, or would it
> be simpler *in the long term* to divorce from any particular distro?
> 3- Any other Gentoo odd-balls out there want to help me make an Ebuild
> for K12LTSP? ;)
>
> I realize that these may very well no be popular suggestions, but I
> think they are things that should at least be discussed, and I
> personally would be willing put time into seeing some of them happen.
>


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